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Xbox takes 30% of the full game purchase but not that specific percentage for DLC and other microtransactions.

I assume all platforms take % cuts it is nowhere near as high for IAP. If I'm wrong, please show me where that's indicated.

Epic is known for their 12% cut in their own game store which is a lot lower than the competition - and developers are flocking to their service as a result. Their model does work.

Developers aren't flocking to the Epic store. By far the majority are launching on Steam. Only a few huge publishers are big enough to be able to push their users onto the Epic store and all of them suffer backlash as a result.
 
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Xbox takes 30% of the full game purchase but not that specific percentage for DLC and other microtransactions.

I assume all platforms take % cuts it is nowhere near as high for IAP. If I'm wrong, please show me where that's indicated.

Epic is known for their 12% cut in their own game store which is a lot lower than the competition - and developers are flocking to their service as a result. Their model does work.

How many games on Xbox are "free to download" vs Apple?
 
Lets understand the impact to all those involved.

Epic: Little impact since majority of their players are on PC and Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft consoles. It's relatively easy to switch from Apple to another platform to continue playing Fortnite such as with low cost $199 Nintendo Switch Lite. The positive for Epic is development savings since there's two less platforms to support that have relatively little gaming market share. Considering hosting is dirt cheap a 15% fee is more reasonable instead of nearly a third.

Customers: Demonstrates Apple's overbearing control of devices customers have fully paid for to disrupt apps and services that customers have already invested in. Any respectable company will allow existing players to continue playing while only impacting new players. If Apple can disrupt Fortnite then they will have no issue disrupting Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, etc. One of the primary concerns that Apple is switching Macs from x64 to Apple silicon to have more overbearing control.

Apple: Potentially putting the nails into its own coffin just as the platform is crawling back from gaming relevancy since the Apple II about 40 years ago. Investing in developers is investing in your own platform. Without developers the platform is dead. Major issue if it's not just Epic but other gaming developers that follow suit.

That is so cringe-inducing. Epic made their bed and refuses to comply so their app has been pulled. It's all on them. Remove the line of code, resubmit, good to go.
 
Does knowbody think like me?? It is possible that Apple and Epic are playing all of us here......a planned disagreement that will make the mainstream news.......then a planned battle....... then a planned agreement......... then fortnite becomes the biggest, fastest, most popular app ever to grace the App Store!! Win Win for both companies! Remember this post when it happens!
 
Does knowbody think like me?? It is possible that Apple and Epic are playing all of us here......a planned disagreement that will make the mainstream news.......then a planned battle....... then a planned agreement......... then fortnite becomes the biggest, fastest, most popular app ever to grace the App Store!! Win Win for both companies! Remember this post when it happens!

No, because lawyers cost money and wasting a judges time would be a big no-no.
 
What's their point? They could still develop for macOS and use their own IAPs.
They are like acting like the kid who refuses to eat a slice of cake unless he gets the whole cake for himself.

What they are doing is not going to make people switch to another Operating System just to play their game, when there are several alternatives.
 
Agreed, but that's the trick isn't it?

Apple is providing ALL developers the incentive of accessing their platform. A platform that has consistently demonstrated that:

A. Has an enormous amount of loyal, well-paid customers
B. Those customers pay more for apps than customers in any other platform
C. That platform doesn't depend on any single app type to be great

All of those devs would have to ignore all that potential money if they leave.

Would you, given the above? I sure wouldn't.

That's why most develop for iOS first, then Android in many cases.

Also, the bigger issue includes government intervention regarding the mechanisms for revenue generation WITHIN an business.
If you ever tried using Windows Phone, then you would realize just how crappy an experience it can be to not have a lot of 3rd party apps available. Sure, each individual developer stands to lose money by themselves. However, if they band together and all start pulling their apps like Epic, then all of a sudden we got a really bad situation on our hands as owners of iOS devices. Imagine getting a new phone and not being able to get all your 3rd party apps downloaded. I honestly would have to move to Android, and I would hate that.
 
I like having apps, yes. If all developers pull their apps, it’ll hurt them a LOT more than me. A month from now, I’ll still be living in the same place, eating the same food (er, the same TYPE of food :) ), driving the same car. I doubt many of the smaller ones would be able to say the same.
You would be fine with your current device. What if you want to upgrade to the new phone this year and the apps are gone? Or, what if your device breaks and they have to swap it out and you can't get your apps back? It could really suck to be stuck with only Apple apps.
 
Xbox takes 30% of the full game purchase but not that specific percentage for DLC and other microtransactions.

I assume all platforms take % cuts it is nowhere near as high for IAP. If I'm wrong, please show me where that's indicated.

Epic is known for their 12% cut in their own game store which is a lot lower than the competition - and developers are flocking to their service as a result. Their model does work.

You mean the "race to the bottom model" works ? Don't know if you've ever noticed but Apple don't go in for that race (in any market). Just an observation!
 
Epic keeps saying it's Apple blocking updates. They are lying and turning children against Apple for illegitimate reasons. All Epic Games has to do is remove the external payment method and bam, this is all solved. Some of the most corrupt practices I've seen.
 
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Does knowbody think like me?? It is possible that Apple and Epic are playing all of us here......a planned disagreement that will make the mainstream news.......then a planned battle....... then a planned agreement......... then fortnite becomes the biggest, fastest, most popular app ever to grace the App Store!! Win Win for both companies! Remember this post when it happens!
Knowpe. Seems unlikely. Sometimes things are just what they seem.
 
No, because lawyers cost money and wasting a judges time would be a big no-no.

Money talks in all walks of life........ you really think that all of the lawyers and judges are real? It could all be just hearsay.......or they could be in on it for a back hander! Do not believe that these things don’t happen, especially when big business is involved.
 
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Seeing how childish Microsoft was recently by standing on the side of Epic, I do hope they don’t withhold TikTok from iOS. That would be a problem for Apple.
 
Lol Massive self own by Epic.
Yes we all know that, but just remember EPIC is a private company worth billions while Apple is a publicly traded company worth trillions. Even if EIPC is using Fortnite as a pawn, Apple stock price is vulnerable to negativity directly.

This continuous discussion about this in the forums has heightened anything that EPIC or Apple do to each other so its very visible. In this way even though the early thought is EPIC is not doing well, to a much greater degree Apple's exposure is maximum.
 
Not a surprise in the least. Epic absolutely knew what it was doing and decided to use it's customers as pawns.
Absolutely but I am amazed that we barely dipped our toes into this case and that only pertains to a temporary restraining order and most think the whole case has already been decided. At this time its careful for what you wish for because this judge is very familiar with Apple and already was not happy with getting answers from Richard J. Doren (apple's counsel). :)
 
Play stupid games, win...

Finish the sentence
 

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If you weren't allowed to switch from Safari on your Mac or use another payment method besides Apple Pay, you'd be pretty pissed off too.

Lets just say that you could use any IAP that bypasses apple altogether - what steps would you put in place to prevent EVERY app going to a freemium model where Apple would make zero percent of the apps it hosts.

I have no doubt that apple and Microsoft will "soon" come to some sort of agreement to allow it.

Until such time as Game streaming is completely glitch and lag free I cant imagine Apple allowing it to happen. And not if the games could be written natively for iOS.

Apple tries to be about best user experience on their platform rather than choice (yeah I know I'll get flamed for that one)
 
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Lets understand the impact to all those involved.

Epic: Little impact since majority of their players are on PC and Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft consoles. It's relatively easy to switch from Apple to another platform to continue playing Fortnite such as with low cost $199 Nintendo Switch Lite. The positive for Epic is development savings since there's two less platforms to support that have relatively little gaming market share. Considering hosting is dirt cheap a 15% fee is more reasonable instead of nearly a third.

Customers: Demonstrates Apple's overbearing control of devices customers have fully paid for to disrupt apps and services that customers have already invested in. Any respectable company will allow existing players to continue playing while only impacting new players. If Apple can disrupt Fortnite then they will have no issue disrupting Netflix, YouTube, Spotify, etc. One of the primary concerns that Apple is switching Macs from x64 to Apple silicon to have more overbearing control.

Apple: Potentially putting the nails into its own coffin just as the platform is crawling back from gaming relevancy since the Apple II about 40 years ago. Investing in developers is investing in your own platform. Without developers the platform is dead. Major issue if it's not just Epic but other gaming developers that follow suit.

Apple is a $2+ trillion dollar company. This is VERY little impact to Apple, MUCH bigger impact to EPIC.
There is no court that will force Apple to allow any other store on their platform. Much like no court will state that any store has to allow another store into their store and compete with them.
Apple has a platform. It's theirs. Don't like it, F off. You have a choice. Stop pretending people have no choice.
 
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