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The difference being they're each subsets of a subset of the market. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft(Xbox) don't have a monopoly against each other in either mindshare or dollars spent for "console interactive entertainment". That is a subset of the wider "interactive entertainment" market which includes Steam, GOG, Epic Games Store, (and more) which is a subset of the wider "entertainment software" market which is itself a subset of the "software" market.

Whereas the App Store carries every kind of app under the sun (at least those App Review deemed worthy this week)

Don't like it.. you can buy an Android or Tizen :) which are subsets of the mobile phone industry.

It's been discussed loads before, by lawyers. The Playstation store and even more Nintendo are exactly the same as the App Store. They hold control over their OWN devices and OS and stores in exactly the same way. Worse even as you can't even use web apps on them.
 
Tim Sweeney's claim that this is for the little guy is all a facade. This is the same man that is responsible for Epic having to pay out half a BILLION dollars from child privacy violations and using dark patterns to trick his user base (read: kids) into payment, then offering no possible way to refund accidental purchases.

And all for what, an extra % of the v-bucks he'll make off kids? The guy is absolute scum.

That said, I hope the merits of the case help other developers, but as far as Epic Games goes, they can stay banned. There are plenty of better developers out there and I'm not about to worry about some behemoth posing as the "little guy".
 
There's no such thing as a small enemy, as Apple's defeat in court against Epic clearly demonstrates.
That's a weird framing here. Apple won against epic. This is a self-own on the one fringe topic where the judge deemed it necessary to amend some things. Basically the judge was "you're not a monopoly, you weren't really abusing power, epic was wrong on all accounts. however, if you really are not abusing power and allowing free markets in the way you claim, then you have to allow people to buy stuff outside of the store". And instead of doing that, they put up more friction and difficulties for people to buy stuff outside of the store and then lied about how they came to that decision. This loss has nothing to do whatsoever with Epic, and Epic still lost the battle and Epic stands to gain exactly zero from this new court order.
"Apple's defeat in court against Epic" is a very wrong way of describing what happened here, because apple won against epic.
 
This applies to the forced lightning change as well right.

What right did the socialist union have to force us to buy all new cables.
Lol, the EU didn't have that right. And they forced exactly nobody to buy all new cables. Apple still iPhones with a cable in the box in most countries. And apple decided all on their own to make the change in other territories than the EU, they were perfectly in their right to keep selling lightning devices outside of the EU since, unlike you seem to imply, the EU only has jurisdiction in the EU. And there they have every right to force companies to comply with regulations on what's allowed and what not to sell. (but no, they can't force anyone to buy all new cables. And nobody was. No police came to my house because I didn't buy new cables)
 
No! It means the developer gets as much money as they should for the service or app they create. Apple does not take 30% commission if I buy something off a website on the Mac. Apple did nothing to make the game. They got paid for the hardware and the license to run the OS already. Can you imagine they were taking 30% off Netflix subscriptions until Netflix pulled out? What the heck did Apple do to deserve 30% commission on those movies? Nothing
Every grocery store charges to have foods on their shelves, they made the store, they staff the store, they pay for transportation. You think Doritos should get 100% of the profits, and have groceries store pay for it, should they charge at the door to allow customers to come in? Apple made the platform that popularized these apps. 30% is steep, and I think Apple is being ridiculous about many things, but let Epic make its own software, hardware, retail store if that's the case.
 
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Every grocery store charges to have foods on their shelves, they made the store, they staff the store, they pay for transportation. You think Doritos should get 100% of the profits, and have groceries store pay for it, should they charge at the door to allow customers to come in? Apple made the platform that popularized these apps. 30% is steep, and I think Apple is being ridiculous about many things, but let Epic make its own software, hardware, retail store if that's the case.
You don’t know how retail works do you? Doritos do get 100% of the sale price. Grocery Stores buy their stock from the supplier, be that a wholesaler/distributor or direct from the manufacturer.

The manufacturer, in your case “Doritos” (it’s actually Frito-Lay) set the price of their product, they then sell that product to a retailer or wholesaler/distibutor, at that point they’ve made their money and are no longer involved. What the retailer then chooses to sell those bags of Doritos for is then up to them, usually enough to cover all costs and make a profit.

Unless Apple are paying for app licenses from Devs upfront and then selling them on themselves (they’re not doing this) your analogy is awful, and just non comparable.

A better analogy (although not perfect, I don’t think there’s a like for like equivalent to App Store monopolies) would be you buy a car, which is the equivalent of the iPhone in this analogy, the manufacturer then not only dictates where you can buy gas (apps) from, but they also take a 30% cut of that gas bill directly from the gas station (developers). But it gets worse, whilst paying for the gas you also grabbed a bottle of Coke and a Snickers (in app purchases and subscriptions), and the car manufacturer (Apple) decided it was owed a 30% cut of that too because without you buying that car (iPhone) you would never have visited that gas station.

Stop defending absolutely awful business practices and anti-consumer nonsense, especially ones like that that also hurt developers, who without we wouldn’t have apps or an App Store.

You all act like Apple are either a charity case with no money, or your best friend who you’ll never hear a bad word said about and you’ll back up in all situations. You can like iPhones, iPads, Macs, watches etc and still think the company are awful. I know I do.
 
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Every grocery store charges to have foods on their shelves, they made the store, they staff the store, they pay for transportation. You think Doritos should get 100% of the profits, and have groceries store pay for it, should they charge at the door to allow customers to come in? Apple made the platform that popularized these apps. 30% is steep, and I think Apple is being ridiculous about many things, but let Epic make its own software, hardware, retail store if that's the case.
Yesterday the judge said Apple is the one doing wrong. So you are wrong. I was right. Take the L. If literally a judge can't convince you that you're wrong then I definitely can't but sorry Apple broke the law. Have a good day.
 
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I believe Epic genuinely believes that Apple requires their services, but they don’t.

This situation is akin to a toxic boyfriend or girlfriend who has already left the relationship but still wants to be re-enter the relationship but only under their own terms..

Yeah, no!
 
Just answer why doesn’t Apple take 30% when I buy something on a website on their Mac. Please let me know your answer and then tell me why it’s not the same on the phone. And if your answer is because you’re going through the App Store that’s a self created policy of the only distribution method on iPhone.
Because when you buy something on a website, Apple didn’t build the store, maintain it, secure the payment system, or market it to millions. The App Store isn’t just a file host — it’s a curated, secure, and heavily moderated platform that handles distribution, payment processing, and user trust. That’s what the 30% covers.

Now, compare that to Google: yes, they allow side-loading, but they still take a similar cut in the Play Store [which Epic would qualify for] — because they’re offering the same infrastructure. The difference is, Apple values security and control more, so they don’t open the doors to side-loading — it’s a walled garden by design, not accident. You’re not just paying for access, you’re paying for the premium real estate inside the garden.
 
Because when you buy something on a website, Apple didn’t build the store, maintain it, secure the payment system, or market it to millions. The App Store isn’t just a file host — it’s a curated, secure, and heavily moderated platform that handles distribution, payment processing, and user trust. That’s what the 30% covers.

Now, compare that to Google: yes, they allow side-loading, but they still take a similar cut in the Play Store [which Epic would qualify for] — because they’re offering the same infrastructure. The difference is, Apple values security and control more, so they don’t open the doors to side-loading — it’s a walled garden by design, not accident. You’re not just paying for access, you’re paying for the premium real estate inside the garden.
I get you. I wrote my message because the law changed. I agree Apple should get something for PAID apps sales. My main argument is with in-app purchases and according to US law starting April 30, now my belief is the law. It's now legal for an app to offer a customer a different way to purchase by directing them to a website. I know you may disagree or think you'll never use other payment systems, but all I thought was there needs to be a choice without losing 30% of my revenue. And whoever chooses Apple's in-app purchase system will pay 30% more and some will gladly do it.
 
The difference being they're each subsets of a subset of the market. Nintendo, Sony, and Microsoft(Xbox) don't have a monopoly against each other in either mindshare or dollars spent for "console interactive entertainment". That is a subset of the wider "interactive entertainment" market which includes Steam, GOG, Epic Games Store, (and more) which is a subset of the wider "entertainment software" market which is itself a subset of the "software" market.

Whereas the App Store carries every kind of app under the sun (at least those App Review deemed worthy this week)

I remember in the late 1980’s/early 1990’s when the only real gaming options were Nintendo and Sega. If you were a developer and wanted your game to run on Nindento’s hardware, you had to agree to whatever terms and fees Nintendo wanted (which included that you had to pay Nintendo to physically manufacture your game).

I can’t remember a single person ever arguing that any developer should be able to make whatever game they want for Nintendo’s consoles and Nintendo has no right to control what games operate on its hardware. I also can guarantee that no one ever once argued that stores should stock and sell console games for free (where the store gets no cut of the profit).

Yet now in 2025, everyone thinks developers should be able to run whatever software they want on an iPhone with absolutely no input from Apple. They also think Apple should stock and sell people’s software for free.

Meanwhile they continue to make excuses for why Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc should be able to hold both their game store and hardware monopolies.

Just feels like an odd double standard to me.
 
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Meanwhile they continue to make excuses for why Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft, etc should be able to hold their monopolies.

Who's doing that?
I certainly am not!

Nobody being impacted by those situations seems to want to litigate and thus it continues on.
I'm all for the console makers having to be way more open and fair and price competitive for Devs!

(I'm just not a Dev)
 
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Who's doing that?
I certainly am not!

Nobody being impacted by those situations seems to want to litigate and thus it continues on.
I'm all for the console makers having to be way more open and fair and price competitive for Devs!

(I'm just not a Dev)

The post I quoted made excuses for Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft. Read through these threads, every time there is an update about either side loading or the app store. There will be many comments about how Nintendo is a completely different situation and not a big deal how they control their app store or hardware…while also arguing that the iPhone should be completely opened up…
 
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The post I quoted made excuses for Nintendo, Sony, Microsoft. Read through these threads, every time there is an update about either side loading or the app store. There will be many comments about how Nintendo is a completely different situation and not a big deal how they control their app store or hardware…while also arguing that the iLhone should be completely opened up.

I must be missing those comments I guess

I see a lot of "consoles are a very different situation the market is of much lower relevance to societal life" (paraphrasing), which is true.

Ultimately though, if the parties subjected to that system aren't upset about it enough to raise a case, it is what it is.
 
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