Please stop with the “what would have Steve Jobs” done. If SJ was still in charge, phones wouldn’t have gotten any bigger than the 5s.
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Its been long enough now to stop the "if Jobs was here" comments.
He made mistakes too you know.
You can always buy a smaller phone if you cant handle a big one...
Market spoke... Apple released a smaller phone and it had 8% of the sales.
Seems most people like bigger phones.
People have become addicted to social media and want as big a phone as possible for brain-sucking people endless videos. Jobs knew what people wanted before they did. He would have sold the Mini as an anti-phone that let people get their lives back, reducing the device to the digital Swiss Army knife it was always supposed to be.
Phones didn’t need to get any bigger than the 5S. Social media addiction pushed larger phones, not utility. Even the quick-fire games of the mobile market are not improved by larger devices; it’s not supposed to be a steam deck.
I got rid of my Pro Max because it literally triggered arthritis in my hands, aged 39.
Well, we all probably understand that EPIC's take on Apple wasn't about Apple taking too much % as their commission but rather the fact that Apple didn't want to let anybody else in to collect their 30 percent. Can't blame them, it's just business.
Whatever the current state of the industry, Apple are still hampering the competition by disallowing them to market to their consumers - unless they pay 30% to them, a competitor. It seems only a matter of time for Apple, a previous nobody in music streaming, taking over Spotify‘s no. 1 spot in the U.S., for example.
Exactly.
Which is why 30% is not a good or fair deal.
It’s even worse when Apple aren‘t even providing the streaming data to a Spotify subscription.
Apple keep fuelling my hate for them more and more
- with every new garbage fee
- with every bullsh1t new paid „entitlement“ scheme
- with every obvious steering attempt aimed against fair competition
- with every new creative attempt at circumvention or malicious compliance
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It’s their store and legally they are allowed to. Just like saying Costco stifles competition in its store. The dma is just a veiled attempt at playing Robin Hood.
No they aren’t. They are on multiple platforms.
Doesn’t have to be good or fair. Just legal. But yeah. It is good and fair.
lol at that.
So don’t use them. Yeah there will be some of the above. But never to the extent many want. Take my advice, vote with your $$$. That’s the only way.
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The video game press disagrees with you.
Report: Steam's 30% Cut Is Actually the Industry Standard - IGN
A breakdown of how much every major retailer takes from the sale of a game.www.ign.com
I have a digital PS5 - PlayStation gets a 30% cut of every game I buy. Why is Epic ok with that on PlayStation?!? Why are they not complaining to the EU about big bad Sony?
There is nothing to disagree. Sony does NOT make 30% of a PS game sold either digitally or physically, Apple does. That "Sony" percentage is distributed throughout the whole chain, Actual Sony ends up with within single digit percentage or low tens and that depends on many variables. Anyway, issue is just too deep.
To experience it yourself apply to be either a PS or Xbox publisher or developer and try to get your game certified so you could go through whole certification process (and no you don't need to buy devkit at all). Just try that to see the difference between Sony/Microsoft and Apple in both detailed paperwork and actual support how to take your video game to high quality standars in order to be published in their stores. Like I said in previous post completely different animal than publishing your game to iOS App Store.
Gaming is a huge waste of time. It's non-productive, unhealthy, and leads to anti-social behavior. That's why I agree with Apple keeping gaming casual. And I know I will get flamed for this as I have in other threads where gaming was a discussion. L33T G4M3R$ are not people of pride.
Absolutely. That’s why I‘m saying more regulatory action and legislation is needed, and in other jurisdictions, too.
Whatever.
iOS apps can play audio for free - and Apple contributes nothing beyond that to Spotify delivering their content. Which is why 30% commission is unfair.
Every platform and/or their provider has its drawbacks and bad things. I gotta choose one - and I‘m also invested in one.
Obviously not - I‘m advocating for governments to step in with appropriate regulation.
And the E.U. has taken the first step to do so.
Yes, I disagree. The next level is more governmental control where they shouldn't be.
lol at that.
Yes, in your opinion.
I'm not invested in the apple ecosytem, that's not saying I don't like it a lot due to what I perceive are advantages over other platforms.
I'm saying overregulation hurts all.
Yes with some bad legislation. Cant put the genie out of the bottle but not that apple knows where the EU stands (well to be fair they did a while back) they will act accordingly in the EU market.
It's dizzying going around in the same circles for months across thousands of posts. Especially on this topic where a dev wanted to defraud apple and by law they had to let them back in. Just crappy legislation.
I was told many many times app aren’t leaving the AppStore.
Apps are leaving the AppStore.
So if you want to use xyz you have to use store abc. You have to give store abc payment info.
What happens when abc compromises my info? Oh that’s right nothing. More free identity protection that also needs payment info and will charge if I forget to cancel after the free period. Yay.
I already hate Epic game store on PC now we are getting it on phones. Epic gets more money and they will put zero of it back into a company that supports my hardware.
Congrats everyone you are making Epic more rich they don’t put out a device you use everyday they just take your money for cosmetic items that are worth nothing.
Apps are leaving the AppStore.
So if you want to use xyz you have to use store abc. You have to give store abc payment info.
What happens when abc compromises my info? Oh that’s right nothing. More free identity protection that also needs payment info and will charge if I forget to cancel after the free period. Yay.
I already hate Epic game store on PC now we are getting it on phones. Epic gets more money and they will put zero of it back into a company that supports my hardware.
Congrats everyone you are making Epic more rich they don’t put out a device you use everyday they just take your money for cosmetic items that are worth nothing.
There is no way Apple will take over Spotify... too entrenched, brand recognition.
Only Spotify will kill Spotify because they dont deliver on what they promise like lossless audio.
And stupid expensive podcasts that noone wants to listen to.
You made a wild claim.
So you admit you hate Apple then. Finally.
Why do retail stores charge to sell products? It's availability of items, physical or digital, with all the brand name trust, marketing and promotion, easy returns, easy payments... that what the 30% (or 15% which you conveniently forget to mention many pay) is for.
you might want to apply to be Sony's lawyer if you think you can convince a judge that 30% isnt 30%...
Perhaps you invested in the wrong ecosystem.
You should have chosen Android years ago, bought their apps and allowed yourself to install anything you want.?
Then you might be a happier person.
Instead we have to wear the cost of your poor initial purchase... for all eternity it seems ;(
Why not?
I recently read this putting Apple only slightly behind Spotify in the U.S. (and I was talking about the U.S. above).
I don't have everything about them, certainly not. But certain business conduct of theirs, including their entitlement to leech off developers and monopolising access - yes, very much so.
What I hate most: Corporate bullsh1tting and playing games to defy the rules that apply to their business.
It gets tiresome. I'm having my signature for a reason.
But if you insist: retail stores do not promote and deliver most of their items for free (Such as what Apple does with all those free-to-download apps - many of which make millions of dollars in in-app transaction revenue, e.g. Uber) - and then charge only a certain subset of suppliers aa whopping 30% - and prohibit them from direct sales and communication to customers.
No, I'm fine with it overall for privacy, ease of use and integration with my Mac.
Purchasing decisions for mobile smartphones aren't about sideloading only.
Why should Epic be the “well-behaved” one? Makes Apple sound even more like the bully on the block.
I mean... I love Fortnite, but Epic Games is probably one of the most annoying companies of all time.
Poor analogy, but I'll play. Fragmented stores = one grocery store has dairy, one grocery has snacks, one grocery has meats.
I prefer the iOS system where all apps are in one place versus the very silly PC/Mac method of web searching and buying each thing from a different place. Why do you think places like Walmart, Target, etc are popular? Convenience of getting all your shopping (food, clothing, home goods, etc) in one place versus visiting many different stores. Obviously in the world of physical goods it is impossible to have everything under one roof but in the digital goods world it is very easy.
I have said many times that I would bow out of this discussion if devs were required to keep their apps available on the Apple store in addition to others of their choosing. Consider it a part of the dev agreement... "must maintain a presence on the iOS App Store in addition to any others".
Please provide citation for this claim. Just because members here like the iOS store as-is does not mean they own stock. This is a very tired trope.
Not true, please stop saying it. If you already own an app and it moves to another store like this one has:
Rocket League Sideswipe is being removed from the Play Store next week
With the launch of the Epic Games Store on Android, it’s been announced that Rocket League Sideswipe will be removed...
9to5google.com
You can only do one of two things:
- Abandon the app
- Join the other store
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As a gamer… as an adult gamer… as an adult gamer who enjoys Fortnite: I get you. GeForce Now is free and a good way to play if you lack a physical platform. I was playing the other night using GeForce Now (hadn’t played in a while, Captain America shield is cool). And once I get a PS5, obviously that’ll be the way to go.
However, I understand Epic’s push to be on the smartphones of millions of teenagers who spend money on skins and dances. Epic knows a lot of revenue is on mobile.
PS: if any other adult wanna join forces, and is on Europe timezone, just DM me. I’m quite tactical.
As my dad would say, “In your #%&$*! opinion.“
I guess one could also have the opinion TV and reading are wastes of time because they lead to non-productive, unhealthy antisocial behavior. Who cares if someone flames you for your opinion? You’re entitled to it. I appreciate that you explained how you think.
What an absolutely gross generalization. You are of course entitled to your opinion but damn.
Can you specifically define "gaming" and "l33t g4m3r$"?
Perhaps try to be a bit more specific next time, as an example: "people who game 20 hours a day are unproductive, unhealthy and anti-social". At least that version could be argued to have merit, but even then, what about professional game players or youtube/twitch gamers that make bank? To those folks it is a job and some get paid very well.
Think it makes Epic sound as bad as they can be.