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Epic Games Store Launches on iPhone in EU, Brings Fortnite Back to iOS
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I've made the same point. Without this, the argument that "you can stay in the walled garden if you want to" is empty. Eventually it would probably need to be amended to include some sort of most favored nation clause so devs don't artificially discourage people from buying on the Apple store, but this is still a good place to start.
I dislike alternate app stores for other reasons as well, but this would remove most of my grounds for objecting. The EU likely wouldn't allow such a clause as it would run counter to their goal of prejudicially kneecapping successful foreign companies.
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True. The DMA should keep new regulations out internal Apple App Store policies. The way I see it, the standard legal framework for retail and agency is good enough for now.
True.
Amongst many things the DMA is now the EU legal framework concerning the coupling between the OEM online stores and the devices EU citizens buy to access the Internet and all it encompasses in its region.
By simply doing this how it hampers the future of innovation, endangers citizens, steals citizens and foreign entities properties to give to the poor (Robin Hood), it turns the EU parlament into a bunch of commies and all that jazz is historically inexplicable. It’s actually concerning that people dedicate their time to come up with this storyline. What is the engine behind this stuff and where is it heading?
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perhaps you could try to see it from other users points of view then...
you say you are ok with "overall privacy, ease of use and integration with Mac"
how about if say the EU suddenly decided none of those were for Apple to do anymore?
EU decides that other companies are entitled to your previously private data so they can market stuff to you and see what you are interested in and sites you visit.
and that ease of use, that shouldnt be that easy any more.
you need to be offered a selection of random stores and payment options every time you want to buy an app.
And integrating with your Mac? how dare they be so monopolistic! Windows should be able be open and able to access all your Apple ID and apps and work too. And Linux... and any other OS. Throw that door wide open...
You opened a can of worms for others who liked the way their devices worked currently. Who bought them knowing the walled garden was there and protected them from email links to upload dodgy software by accident. That's now gone in the EU. And elsewhere. Because iOS for everyone shares the same code base with geolocked features enabled.
Seems your needs are the only ones that matter.
But just try for one moment to see if the EU DMA affected any of your listed reasons for using an Apple iOS device how happy you would be.
It's called empathy.
WOW you got it right.
It’s concerning that people think this legislation is good. But I guess there are those who believe more taxes is good also. Go figure.
Taxes? The DMA is not concerned with more or less taxes. Another ingredient to the storyline?
I still don’t see a connection between the storyline and the fact one may find or not the legislation adequate. The entire storyline looks a lot like propaganda.
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I guess then that your issue with the DMA is not concerned with what you have voiced. Is it about taxes? But the DMA is not a taxation policy. You know that right?
The EU has not decided for that. Actually when it comes to user privacy legislation the EU has always been ahead of the US game. Are you now trying to lecture the EU regulators on the subject?
The EU has not decided for that either. The DMA has not legislated for more App Stores either. They legislated that any legal business entity should be allowed to sell and distribute their goods directly and indirectly to any user regardless of device of choice (in a certain class of devices). They also legislated so that even though an App may use device APIs, the App its their creators property to market as per law and that OEM private policies hampering that right are illegal, unless justified with clear security concerns.
Most people look and find the things they need googling and what not anyway. The item in the iOS App Store mostly work as a stop gap before downloading and buying. None of that changes.
Look, you are American right? Is the EU legislation concerned with American users? How do you know that the regular EU citizen sees with good eyes that the cost of entry of such walled garden is actually having their businesses turn over their cash register to businesses of this kind if they ever so pleased on devices they payed thousands of euros to own?
Do you see any EU citizen here concerned with the internal US legislation? Why then as you say, are American citizens / iPhone users so concerned with the internal EU legislation? It should not affect them in anyway.
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One of my issues with this law in the EU is exactly that. Developers get to choose where to be. But, they don't have to be on anyones platform. While Apple has to allow developers full access but not get all developers on their platform. It's completely one sided. As one doesn't have to be on the platform, but the other has to allow you full access to the platform.
I would be more OK with the situation, IF EPIC had to also be on the AppStore. Even at the higher price (30%/20%/15%, whatever %) over their offerings on either their own web site or via a 3rd party store.
THEN, I CAN CHOOSE HOW I WANT TO PAY FOR IT. And I get to choose if I want to venture out of the AppStore or not.
Advertise your lower prices online or on TV/Social Media/print/Email/whatever. Just not within the AppStore App. There you pay whatever you want to charge for it. Many folks would alter their payment and or subscription, and others may not.
They broke the rules. They are not on Google Play either, but you can side load it.
This was started by EPIC, not Apple. And EPIC went to the courts in the US against Apple and LOST.
They absolutely decided that. They've said "Apple can't be the only store - so if an app you want to use wants to leave the store, you have to give that company (or their chosen App Store) your information or stop using the app". Before we only had to give our information to Apple. So far I have just read about one game that has left the App Store, so no one is being forced to use it, but what happens if Microsoft leaves the App Store? I'll have to give them my personal information because I have to use Microsoft products for work.
Not yet - but do you really think the EU is going to let Apple set a default App Store? The EU doesn't think Apple should be allowed to set a default web browser in the year of our Lord 2024. There's no way they let them keep the App Store as the default. Remember - Apple already let people change their default browser, but that wasn't good enough for the EU. Instead, they are forcing Apple to implement a bad user experience and confusing non-technical users the first time they open Safari on iOS. And guess who users are going to blame when their battery life is crap because they picked Chrome instead of Safari? Hint: it's not Google or the EU that will get blamed.
My guess is a minority of EU citizens support the DMA, a minority of EU citizens oppose it, and the vast, vast majority of EU citizens have no opinion. And again, because of the way software works, the code to implement these changes are on all of our devices. If a bug so security hole got introduced in the process of Apple CHANGING it's code to comply with this mess of a law, there is no promising that the effects of that bug or security breach will be limited to the EU.
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So why did EPIC remove the game from MacOS? They can do whatever they want on that, and yet they took it away?
It had nothing to do with the fight over iOS AppStore.
Apple made the iPhone. They sold them before any developers made a single app for it. When Apple allowed and created a store for developers to sell Apps through. The rules were clearly stated. They had a whole announcement with developers in attendance on it. 70/30 split. Apps got made based on those rules. Everyone made money.
A true "Partnership" if you will.
As for the vision pro. That's not even part of the conversation. But, still. I have used the Oculus, latest and best version of it. I'm VERY NOT IMPRESSED with it. And I don't like Meta having any of my information. So on those two things alone, it's worth it to me to wait for a less expensive Vision Pro device. Apple started at the top with its first entry. The next version will get better and cheaper.
I did a quick search and didn't see any polling on the DMA - entirely possible I missed something though since I just did one search in English and one in German. I do have a professional background in (American) public policy though, so I'm pretty confident in my "guess" - most people don't actually have opinions on things like this.
Can you provide the link to pages on the legislation where such thing is written?
It seams common sense that at least for billing purposes some data needs to be exchanged between a customer and a supplier for legal and taxation purposes. That is the status quo of business and real people are used to that. Just today, went to the supermarket, got my car fixed, went to a coffee shop, payed for transportation, filled the car with gas and bought some goods from Amazon ... what is the drama here?
This has always been like this since the creation of business. I'm talking about real people here, not those Fallout look alike homes and communities that I see on Apple commercials glued to their devices.
It seams natural that if a good or service is no longer available from a given supplier, from a channel, yet available another, upon the user decision to keep the service as it should be, some data may need to input by the user again if not automatically transferred.
Privacy. I think its a term that its becoming overused and misappropriated in many cases in the Apple storyline. A political catch word if you will, that speaks to many peoples fears.
Now, I understand that this does not fit the narrative of a company that wants to act as a business proxy to any online business on the back of users devices. For that it needs to redefine the business status quo and create a new orthography ... but that is a another matter.
Have not seen indication of the DMA having issue with OEM having their App Store pre-installed. It happens with many other platforms and devices that have no issues with the DMA in this context.
I think you would be surprised.
Believe me that the majority of EU citizens support the idea that they should be allowed lawfully sell their goods and services, their creations, directly to their customers. Also they support the idea that their suppliers should be of their choice regardless what they use to access the Internet. This is the universally accepted default that the vast majority agrees on. The rest are layers of choices on top that don't take away these values but add.
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Guessing is to give an answer to a particular question when you do not have all the facts and so cannot be certain if you are correct...😏
You'll be shocked to find out I know what guessing is. However, as someone who has worked for multiple Members of the United States Congress, I have a pretty good sense of what I am talking about when it comes to the general public's opinions around public policy (at least in the US). Most people just don't care.
The only somewhat-related survey I found, which was of US, UK, and EU participants, so not just EU, was not about the DMA in particular. However, when asked about regulation, the polling found:
Emphasis mine. I don't give a ton of credence to that though, sounds like a push poll vs. something I'd feel comfortable citing as proof of my opinion. I'd want to see the exact wording of the question, but if it was asked in the way it is presented (do you favor regulating the US technology sectors, even if it created a vacuum for China to fill) it isn't proof of anything.
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That's why you are guessing.😏
One doesn't need to guess to come to that...people have other things to do...
Taxes are good. Here in europe we have universal healthcare in many countries which means you don't bankrupt yourself because you had the audacity to get hit by a strangers' car and broke your leg. Many of our countries have subsidised public transport that is great value for money. Countries like Denmark and Finland have high tax rates but the happiest citizens on the planet because they know that their schools are well funded, parents get more generous leave, public transport costs are next to nothing and if they lose their jobs then the social safety net will pick them up so they can get back into work faster.
Absolutely!
My city even has free public transport since 2017!
You're welcome for the help. Otherwise you'd all be speaking German.
Because ‘the rules’ are anti competitive.
And Google and Apple will lose almost every lawsuit everywhere in the past, now and in the future.
Epic won, Spotify won and all others will win too as long as they keep being a bully.
Epic Games has spent nearly $1 billion challenging Apple and Google
Through a combination of hundreds of millions of dollars in court costs and missing Fortnite revenues, Epic's antitrust suits have cost nearly $1 billion.
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