Epic Games Submits Fortnite to U.S. App Store

[Stuwil]

No, what it’s saying is “if you intentionally break the rules to cheat us, you have to deal with the consequences.”

Spotify has been just as vocal about how bad Apple’s actions are and how they should be regulated - to the point of working with the EU to specifically get parts of Apple’s rules deemed illegal in the EU - and Spotify hasn’t been kicked off the store.

thats because surferfb just for clarification here Spotify removed IAP from their app and you know there is a difference as to why Spotify is still on the App Store and it’s not because Apple wouldn’t want them removed.

Epic will end up back on the iOS App Store in the USA sooner or later as the same reason as to why they suddenly had a change of heart in the EU when they told epic your not allowed back yet all of a sudden Apple allowed epic a developer account
Because it was about to do more harm than good
That’s why

 

[Stuwil]

You are talking about the same Apple who, for well over a decade, refused to use Nvidia graphics cards over an issue that happened in 2008.

The bigger picture, in my opinion, is that the judge’s ruling is a violation of Apple’s property rights, hence the appeal.

There is still a chance that all of this gets reversed on appeal, and until all avenues are exhausted, I don’t see Apple having to allow Fortnite back into the App Store. It’s all one-sided wishful thinking on Epic’s side.

Maybe you are right. Maybe it’s not to Apple’s advantage to continue banning Fortnite, and maybe it’s something Apple should just continue to do regardless. Let it be a hill Apple dies on. Even if their lawsuit ultimately fails, let it be so Epic has no place in this new world order that they helped usher in.

The reason why yourself and others don’t see Apple having Fortnite back on the App Store is this because in your opinion they went against Apple’s rules deliberately and that might be the case
However from a business point of view there is fundamentally no point in banning epic completely because it will shine a light on your business practices
That is why Apple buckled and allowed them an EU developer account even when at first they said NO because then it started to highlight certain things
So epic will be back sooner or later

 

[Abazigal]

The reason why yourself and others don’t see Apple having Fortnite back on the App Store is this because in your opinion they went against Apple’s rules deliberately and that might be the case
However from a business point of view there is fundamentally no point in banning epic completely because it will shine a light on your business practices
That is why Apple buckled and allowed them an EU developer account even when at first they said NO because then it started to highlight certain things
So epic will be back sooner or later

We will see. I could end up eating crow next Monday and that’s just the way she goes.

 

[ElvenPrince995]

I don’t think Apple will be approving Low Life Sweeney. They don’t want back a CEO who manipulates kids to get them to empty their wallets.

As if that was the reason apple wouldn't be approving fortnite. Please. Apple has lots of its own questionable practices. If the money was right, this wouldn't even be an issue.

 

[I7guy]

The reason why yourself and others don’t see Apple having Fortnite back on the App Store is this because in your opinion they went against Apple’s rules deliberately and that might be the case
However from a business point of view there is fundamentally no point in banning epic completely because it will shine a light on your business practices

It has already shined a light on epics business practices and survived a court battle.

That is why Apple buckled and allowed them an EU developer account even when at first they said NO because then it started to highlight certain things
So epic will be back sooner or later

The eu account was never banned in the first place. And Apple would have a different battle there than in the US.

We may all be surprised at the outcome of this appeal. Nobody should count their chickens just yet.

 

[I7guy]

thats because surferfb just for clarification here Spotify removed IAP from their app and you know there is a difference as to why Spotify is still on the App Store and it’s not because Apple wouldn’t want them removed.

As acummy as Spotify is they didn’t break any rules.

Epic will end up back on the iOS App Store in the USA sooner or later as the same reason as to why they suddenly had a change of heart in the EU when they told epic your not allowed back yet all of a sudden Apple allowed epic a developer account
Because it was about to do more harm than good
That’s why

it is up for debate as to whether epics US account will be allowed in the app store. We don’t know how the application for apples eu account may yet be processed and how that will all turn out.

Of course this is all so much hypotheticals.

 

[HazeAndHahmahneez]

I'm sure Apple will find some reason to reject it. I gave up submitting my Pagan Journaling and Social Media app for witches, pagans, and wiccans. I submitted it literally over 10 different times and got rejections ranging from someone not liking the font and calling it a Spam app saying they had tarot card apps already.(they clearly do not test the apps or look at them as my app is not a Tarot Card app....) I moved all of my payment system to Stripe this week and I'm going to use AltStore in the US and Europe. Screw Apple and their gatekeeping BS. And if you look at some of my past statements, I used to be completely for their side until I realized what they were actually doing.

no offense but yeah, you should probably give up submitting that to apple, at least for the time being...

if it were mine store id have it and placed in an 18+ or 21+ section only, if anything....they possibly feel its too edgy, too off the beaten path etc. that's my guess, at least. all best of luck bro peace

 

[Naraxus]

I wish Apple had a CEO who would tell Sweeny & the other freeloader to go **** themselves and never let them back on the App Store. This charade by Sweeny has gone on FAR too long. Enough is enough.

 

[Naraxus]

This should be perfect!

No more discussions, lock on the payments, ... Let's give freedom back to the users!

You have had freedom since about 2008 - it's called Android

 

[macfacts]

Good news for Fortnite players.

My cousin's kid "plays" fortnite and in my observations fortnite is used more like as a chat app, an iMessage 2.0

 

[Johnbronwyn]

Approve Fortnite!!!!

 

[wbeasley]

You have had freedom since about 2008 - it's called Android

these people who continue to whine dont want outside payments at all.

they want to crack open the AppStore so they can load whatever free/pirated software they want to.
they can do that on Android. but they choose not to. Why?

you know when you buy an Apple device what it can and can't do.
it's just like Epic signing the dev account agreement and then deliberately breaking it and crying hard.

 

[Stuwil]

these people who continue to whine dont want outside payments at all.

they want to crack open the AppStore so they can load whatever free/pirated software they want to.
they can do that on Android. but they choose not to. Why?

you know when you buy an Apple device what it can and can't do.
it's just like Epic signing the dev account agreement and then deliberately breaking it and crying hard.

I think your mistaking here wbeasley
If Spotify for example can offer payment links then my understanding is they can now offer promotions on iOS & that wasn’t allowed before unless you think that’s a bad thing for customers?

Nobody is advocating for free/priated apps on iOS however if epic launched their App Store on iOS how would that actually affect iOS when customers would be giving more of a choice unless you are against that

You do you understand that you can watch things for Free/pirated content on iOS already?

Now if your gripe is with epic then fine
However the reason why governments & companies are taking Apple to court & by enforcing legislation is because of how the smartphone industry is setup in the west that you only have 2 choices of companies to pick from.

In regards to epic crying hard now certain people may think that however what them & Spotify are doing is essentially shining a big torch on how Apple run their business behind close doors and are bringing out in the open so that is why more than likely epic will be back on iOS App Store in the USA

 

[sarc]

The reason why yourself and others don’t see Apple having Fortnite back on the App Store is this because in your opinion they went against Apple’s rules deliberately and that might be the case
However from a business point of view there is fundamentally no point in banning epic completely because it will shine a light on your business practices
That is why Apple buckled and allowed them an EU developer account even when at first they said NO because then it started to highlight certain things
So epic will be back sooner or later

Apple it seems didn't buckle at all if what Gruber said is correct. Apple had to let them have a developer account in the EU however it seems that is only for the alternative game store. Fortnite is not available via the App Store in Europe.
I don't see Apple letting them back on the store in the US.

 

[Stuwil]

It has already shined a light on epics business practices and survived a court battle.

The eu account was never banned in the first place. And Apple would have a different battle there than in the US.

We may all be surprised at the outcome of this appeal. Nobody should count their chickens just yet.

Yeah Apple in fact wanted to ban epics EU account and then when EU regulators started looking into Apple suddenly they allowed their EU developer account that’s what happened.

And what light did it shine on epic’s business practices?
What have they done it’s so bad?

If Apple as some claim will win this appeal then there should be no issue whatsoever by putting epic back on the iOS App Store
Unless you think that they shouldn’t be allowed back on because they challenged Apple

 

[Stuwil]

Apple it seems didn't buckle at all if what Gruber said is correct. Apple had to let them have a developer account in the EU however it seems that is only for the alternative game store. Fortnite is not available via the App Store in Europe.
I don't see Apple letting them back on the store in the US.

If you read it then Apple did not originally approve their EU developer account and then the minute EU regulators started looking into it then Apple allowed them to have an EU developer account that’s what happened
The reason why Gruber is not saying that is because he wants to keep his relationship with Apple.

The reason for Fortnite not being on the App Store in the EU is simple he doesn’t want to pay Apple 30% for IAP fees that is more likely the reason
Where as in the USA he can now use both but what you will probably find it would be two different prices dearer on IAP compared with payment links

Again it makes no business sense to not allow them back on iOS App Store
It will be more hassle than it’s worth in the long term business wise

 

[Stuwil]

As acummy as Spotify is they didn’t break any rules.

it is up for debate as to whether epics US account will be allowed in the app store. We don’t know how the application for apples eu account may yet be processed and how that will all turn out.

Of course this is all so much hypotheticals.

So now Spotify is a scummy company why is that 🤔

Again it will not make good business sense in the long run to not allow epic back on the
USA iOS App Store
No good will come of it business wise long term

 

[Born2Run]

I have Fortnite on my Android phone.

So that’s 2 reasons to be miserable then!

 

[FyrStrike]

Sweeney should eat a bag of dicks.

 

[Piggie]

For a moment, forget the companies and think of who is important. The Consumers/Users.

If the game is available to be downloaded and enjoyed by a few million iPhone Users, than that would be a good thing.
For those people who don't want the game, they won't download it, hence it makes zero difference.

Having the game available to download and play is a great thing for those who want it.

Making it not available (due to corporate disagreements) is of no benefit to the users.

 

[Stuwil]

For a moment, forget the companies and think of who is important. The Consumers/Users.

If the game is available to be downloaded and enjoyed by a few million iPhone Users, than that would be a good thing.
For those people who don't want the game, they won't download it, hence it makes zero difference.

Having the game available to download and play is a great thing for those who want it.

Making it not available (due to corporate disagreements) is of no benefit to the users.

Exactly
And that is one of the reasons why epic will be back on the USA iOS App Store

 

[Piggie]

Exactly
And that is one of the reasons why epic will be back on the USA iOS App Store

It's funny seeing one person giving me the thumbs down and disagreeing that users/consumers should be allowed the right to download, play and enjoy playing the game on their own purchased device.

Always strikes me as odd that an individual will be SO positive towards a MASSIVE company, doing all it can to make as much money from consumers as "legally / no-so-legally" as possible, and put that in front of something that the consumers/users would benefit from.

 

[IIGS User]

Am I the only person who doesn’t know what Fortnite is?

Yes, I do t have children.

 

[wbeasley]

I think your mistaking here wbeasley
If Spotify for example can offer payment links then my understanding is they can now offer promotions on iOS & that wasn’t allowed before unless you think that’s a bad thing for customers?

Nobody is advocating for free/priated apps on iOS however if epic launched their App Store on iOS how would that actually affect iOS when customers would be giving more of a choice unless you are against that

You do you understand that you can watch things for Free/pirated content on iOS already?

Now if your gripe is with epic then fine
However the reason why governments & companies are taking Apple to court & by enforcing legislation is because of how the smartphone industry is setup in the west that you only have 2 choices of companies to pick from.

In regards to epic crying hard now certain people may think that however what them & Spotify are doing is essentially shining a big torch on how Apple run their business behind close doors and are bringing out in the open so that is why more than likely epic will be back on iOS App Store in the USA

sorry but i've watched posts about this for months. if not years.

its never about one app getting a little exemption.

IT'S ABOUT BREAKING THE APPLE APPSTORE.

loading content that is pirated is a lot different to apps that are pirated.
you know that.

you admit there are two choices ... so pick the one that you know lets you do all you want to do.
it's easy. it's cheap. it's readily available so why not just buy an Android device?

i have even asked what apps people who advocate breaking the store want to load.

some wishy washy "wifi checkers" or "Windows emulators".

the percent of iOS users who want that is close to 0.
both these functions can either be done on Android now or better still, a laptop, even a Mac laptop.

iOS was designed to be different to desktop OSes.

it was designed to make a consumer device less of a nerd toy.

and most non-tech users have great success because they are protected from doing lots of silly things.
not 100% fool proof but pretty close to it.

Spotify are not shining a light on anything. Nor are Epic.

 

[wbeasley]

So now Spotify is a scummy company why is that 🤔

Again it will not make good business sense in the long run to not allow epic back on the
USA iOS App Store
No good will come of it business wise long term

AppStore seems to be surviving and thriving quite well with Epic.