No it doesn’t. The court’s ruling says that Apple is entitled to a commission for every purchase, even for purchases made outside the App Store.
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Epic Games vs. Apple Judgment Allows App Store Developers to Link to Alternative Payment Methods
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Help me out... what does all this mean in practical terms?
Since this case was about Epic... I'll use Fortnite as an example. (we'll pretend Fortnite is back in the App Store for now)
I'm in Fortnite. I want to buy VBucks.
What does this process look like?
Are there items to purchase inside the app like there used to be? Different amounts of VBucks?
Or is it just a link to their website?
Or both?
And what do you do when you get to their website? Do I enter my credit card with Epic? Or is ApplePay there too?
I'm so confused. We're using terms here like "alternative payment methods" and "3rd-party app stores" so I'm a little confused.
Hell... we can't even agree on who won this case. Some say Epic... some say Apple... 🤣
I just want to know how future apps will look... and how the future App Store will operate.
Does this help the small developer? Or just major corporations like Epic, Spotify, Netflix, etc?
Since this case was about Epic... I'll use Fortnite as an example. (we'll pretend Fortnite is back in the App Store for now)
I'm in Fortnite. I want to buy VBucks.
What does this process look like?
Are there items to purchase inside the app like there used to be? Different amounts of VBucks?
Or is it just a link to their website?
Or both?
And what do you do when you get to their website? Do I enter my credit card with Epic? Or is ApplePay there too?
I'm so confused. We're using terms here like "alternative payment methods" and "3rd-party app stores" so I'm a little confused.
Hell... we can't even agree on who won this case. Some say Epic... some say Apple... 🤣
I just want to know how future apps will look... and how the future App Store will operate.
Does this help the small developer? Or just major corporations like Epic, Spotify, Netflix, etc?
It makes Apple a Monopoly. If MS boots an app developer off of their Microsoft Store on Windows. That developer can still sell their app on Windows pc. If Apple won't let Epic back in even after comply to the new rules, Epic can make an example of this to the courts on how iPhone should allow side loading like android.
Bottom line is if I'm redirected, I won't bother. However, if Apple provides a API (for a fee i assume) and it's seamless, I'm fine with it.
But, I'm not understanding the whole portion of the cut that Apple takes. If they are not getting it directly from payment, do they just bill the developer? Someone has to pay for the store and infrastructure.
What makes it easy for me to buy apps is not dealing the developer. A pain point for me buying software on my Mac. Hate buying from devs. Just a a pain and have had more card compromised many times. I mean are you really wanting to pay a developer in China directly? Good luck with that.
But, I'm not understanding the whole portion of the cut that Apple takes. If they are not getting it directly from payment, do they just bill the developer? Someone has to pay for the store and infrastructure.
What makes it easy for me to buy apps is not dealing the developer. A pain point for me buying software on my Mac. Hate buying from devs. Just a a pain and have had more card compromised many times. I mean are you really wanting to pay a developer in China directly? Good luck with that.
”621 The Court also notes that in the but-for world where developers could use an alternative processor, Apple would still be contractually entitled to its commission on any purchase made within apps distributed on the App Store. Thus, so long as the alternative processor charged a non-zero commission or fee for its services, no economically rational developer would choose to use the alternative processor, because on each transaction, they would still have to pay Apple its commission, and they would have to pay the alternative processor a commission for its services.”
Basically the court recognised and affirmed that Apple can still charge their commission on all IAP - even if the IAP is not through AppleIAP.
So as a developer of a game with micro-transactions, I can offer a 3rd party payment processor.
But if I offer an alternative to AppleIAP then I still have to pay Apple the same amount and in addition I have to pay my 3rd party payment processor and do more work to integrate said 3rd party payment processor.
I strongly believe Apple will try to make this adjustment as easy for us developers as possible.
Apple will likely provide a new API we can use to automatically calculate the commission due to Apple as part of the method they facilitate for us developers to implement a 3rd party payment processor.
This will mean less admin for developers who want to implement a 3rd party payment processor. Apple may even require us to use this new API when implementing a 3rd party payment processor - to reduce admin their end. Apple will probably bill developers for the commission monthly.
If this happens the way I expect then practically nothing will change for consumers except we will sometimes have in our apps a more-expensive and awkward—to-use payment option as an alternative to AppleIAP.
Basically the court recognised and affirmed that Apple can still charge their commission on all IAP - even if the IAP is not through AppleIAP.
So as a developer of a game with micro-transactions, I can offer a 3rd party payment processor.
But if I offer an alternative to AppleIAP then I still have to pay Apple the same amount and in addition I have to pay my 3rd party payment processor and do more work to integrate said 3rd party payment processor.
I strongly believe Apple will try to make this adjustment as easy for us developers as possible.
Apple will likely provide a new API we can use to automatically calculate the commission due to Apple as part of the method they facilitate for us developers to implement a 3rd party payment processor.
This will mean less admin for developers who want to implement a 3rd party payment processor. Apple may even require us to use this new API when implementing a 3rd party payment processor - to reduce admin their end. Apple will probably bill developers for the commission monthly.
If this happens the way I expect then practically nothing will change for consumers except we will sometimes have in our apps a more-expensive and awkward—to-use payment option as an alternative to AppleIAP.
Right…so its not 0% profit for Apple….which is what the person I was replying to stated.
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The economy is circling the drain, might want to wait for more than a few bucks drop to purchase.
It‘s gonna be a mess. Apple will have to allow a link or a button that leads back to the developer site where the user will have to input their CC info or use ApplePay. But there’s no rule on where the link is to be placed or how prominent the button has to be. Personally, I’m not going to enter my financial data on every rinky dink site that wants to charge my daughter for a new character for her games. I’ll just stick with Apple’s system, and that’s what I think most people will do anyway. It’s a trust/security thing.
Bingo. I also find it funny when you read it like this you could make the case that Apple isn't even being anti-competitive with Epic per se - they are just being anti-competitive with other payment processors. Not only will Epic have to deal with Apple they may have to deal with any payment processor who wants a piece of the action.
YOu have a problem w/ buying from Amazon, Apple, Walmart, Target, Best Buy, Game Stop, Door Dash, Uber, Ebay, etc..? Hmmm, that sure is a lot of payment plan setup for an avg consumer. Could you imagine not being able to do that and only going to Samsung as your only payment option?
Easy. Apple offer vbucks for $5. Epic offer vbucks for $4 if you set up a payment plan w/ them. They will let you pick.
How is that possible? Apple won't know if a transaction is made out of their system. Unless Apple is performing some kind of illegal activity. A link will be shown, customers will go to the link and simply pay on their website.
No, app developers must pay unless the app developers do something illegal, just like pay your tax.
How is this not a win for epic? They could just put in an Apple Wallet button next to the apple iAP option
I guess it will be like choosing whether to let Facebook app track us or not. I wonder how many people allow app tracking? I was actually pleased to shut Facebook tracking off - felt good saying no.
You are right about choice I think. I can still do things the way I have been and choose the easy Apple way. But maybe this off site stuff opens the doors for Bitcoin gambling sites or other off site pay app business models. So yah - freedom of choice / I can abide.
People like you have no clue how this works. 100% of developers won’t need to implement anything special. They will just ad (apple wallet) button or perhaps (PayPal) button next to the standard apple iAP system. It will be one click away at most two and with a likely discount to incentivize customers to give nothing to apple.
You would be perfectly OK that HP printer can only use HP cartridges?
IMHO these analogies are pointless. All these are different business models that operates within the confines of the law. Nobody is forced to do business with anybody.
Why should I be forced to have only one price? If I have a 100$ iAP( apple takes 30%) and my own button (apple wallet) with a 80$ price tag (apple takes 0%)
With the 99$ yearly development fee. Apple don’t need to earn a huge profit on the store. And I as a customer is not responsible to pay apple for a bad service.
The equivalent would be I bought a computer windows 10 home in your store, and at home I purchased a windows 10 Pro upgrade without giving you any revenue
Not at all. Or do you think people who pays Microsoft to upgrade their OS or using the Microsoft store should be forced to pay Walmart a cut of the profit? That’s ridiculous
What the heck? Apple “ending your Apple ID”. Really. That happens a lot? It’s a concern?
Isn’t there a higher risk of your data being collected and sold by outside unscrupulous operators? All the added risk of hacks on outside websites. And on and on?
Entirely reasonable judgement with a shocking degree of common sense and rationality.
Epic failed to do anything except whine about wanting to suck at the success tit and not have to pay for it.
However, Apple’s practice of preventing you from linking elsewhere for sign up has never had any practical application other than greed and obvious anti-competitiveness.
Epic failed to do anything except whine about wanting to suck at the success tit and not have to pay for it.
However, Apple’s practice of preventing you from linking elsewhere for sign up has never had any practical application other than greed and obvious anti-competitiveness.