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Epic Games vs. Apple Judgment Allows App Store Developers to Link to Alternative Payment Methods

Homme said:
tell that to to Sam Machkovech who did a cheap shot at Apple with a pro epic/anti Apple headline

arstechnica.com

Major win for Epic Games: Apple has 90 days to open up app store payments

Permanent injunction caps Epic Games’ year-long legal offensive against Apple.
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CNET has the exact opposite headline

Apple mostly wins in Epic Games Fortnite trial, but must ease payment rules​


www.cnet.com

Apple mostly wins in Epic Games Fortnite trial, but must ease payment rules

Apple defended its tight control over the iPhone and its App Store in one of the biggest legal fights of the digital age.
www.cnet.com www.cnet.com
 
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soaddk said:
Do you think Walmart would stock the printers if they were free and Walmart didn’t make a dime stocking it and giving it away?
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Of course not. Do you think Apple would sell their phones at Walmart if Walmart got a percentage of every purchase made from within the iPhone?

All these analogies comparing the App Store to a physical store make Apple look bad, and I don't understand why people keep using them. Yes, physical stores keep a percentage of every sale they make. No manufacturer can use those stores to sell their products for free. But physical stores don't then dictate where you can buy supporting items for those purchases.

If the argument is that Apple should be able to profit off of products sold in its stores, just the way physical stores profit, then it should actually be like physical stores. If the argument is that Apple's practices are fine, then stop referencing physical stores, because they don't do the things that developers are objecting to.
 
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linrey said:
"...Apple or Google need nothing to do with that transaction." Are the add-ons delivered from a server in Apple or Google's app store? If so, then they are most definitely involved.
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I don't know, but I would suspect the only thing Apple and Google do are accept the payment and then take their cut before sending the remainder to the dev. The backend for activating the add-ons are probably done on the dev's servers. And if they are involved in more than payment processing, is it because Apple and Google force their way into the middle of a business transaction between a buyer and seller?
 
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Michael Scrip said:
Hershey can't sell a candy bar in a gas station without the gas station getting something, right? That's how stores work. Stores always charge some kind of fee.

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But the carpenter who built your candy bar cupboard doesn't prevent you from buying your Hershey bar from somewhere else. If I think that the gas station is charging too much, I can check elsewhere (without paying for a new kitchen).
 
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B-Mc-C said:
You must have missed the part where Apple is allowed to permanently ban Epic from the App Store, and now even terminate their subsidiary developer account used to develop Unreal Engine. Epic is basically out of business now. Page 180 of the ruling. I’ve attached it here for your convenience. Sorry for ruining your day.
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Epic is basically not out of business, get real 🙄
 
A couple years ago my wife signed up for a Noom trial and got billed via paypal $219 CAD. I told her to fix it and she told me she cancelled. A year went by, we forgot, and they did it again... in order to cancel this there was no website link or anything I could use to manage the account - was all done through the app so I had to re-download the iOS app on iphone, login with her own account, and then cancel in the account. To be clear, this was not an in-app purchase and was pulling from a paypal and as far as I know Apple was not getting 30%. Fortunately I was able to chat/message in-app and explain the situation and they refunded me the $219 and closed the account. Just wondering why apps like Noom seem to fly under Apple's radar and can do this alternate payment method... maybe now Noom is complaint but just wondering.
 
TheSapient said:
But the carpenter who built your candy bar cupboard doesn't prevent you from buying your Hershey bar from somewhere else. If I think that the gas station is charging too much, I can check elsewhere (without paying for a new kitchen).
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Ah yes... the old "Apple runs the only store on iOS... therefore monopoly..." argument.

Yes I understand. There are multiple gas stations to buy candy bars... but there is only one App Store.

Welp... Epic couldn't prove monopoly in this court case which would have led to more app stores.

So I guess we're stuck with only one App Store on iOS for now. Better luck with the next court case!

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Apple could just start charging developers with hosting and service fees to recoup any losses, or give them the option to forgo those fees in exchange for using Apple payment processing.
 
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B-Mc-C said:
Epic did not think the judge would also uphold Apple’s termination of their developer account. How is that a win for Epic? They are practically out of business now. LOL.
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Stop saying they are out of business, they aren’t 🙄🙄🙄🙄
 
To make this all about myself for one second, I'd love to be able to buy a Kindle book in the Kindle or Amazon app, so I'm hopeful this makes it possible.
 
Terrible!!! Very sad day for us consumers 🤦‍♂️ What’s next, turn the App Store into the malware play store 🤦‍♂️


Very sad day indeed 🤦‍♂️
 
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Michael Scrip said:
Ah yes... the old "Apple runs the only store on iOS... therefore monopoly..." argument.

Yes I understand. There are multiple gas stations to buy candy bars... but there is only one App Store.

Welp... Epic couldn't prove monopoly in this court case which would have led to more app stores.

So I guess we're stuck with only one App Store on iOS for now. Better luck with the next court case!

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Ahh, well, I didn't realize that we were just here to validate the judge's ruling. I thought you were trying to your personal view, which is why I explained why such a system is bad for consumers.

Anyway, it is good to hear your support for iOS users being able to make in-app purchases from 3rd party stores. Yay judge!
 
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SMH4KIDIOT said:
Apple literally just lost a major case that allows alternate payment methods the reason this case was brought up in the first place. That is a win for Epic. Either way you look at it the outcome is in favor of what Epic wanted. As to if they will be allowed back into the store, I don't see why not, either willingly or forcefully by the courts.
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Did you read the document? they will not be back on the iOS app store.
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Apple can will terminate any develop at any time at Apple's sole discretion for failure to comply with it's DPLA
 
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TheSapient said:
Ahh, well, I didn't realize that we were just here to validate the judge's ruling. I thought you were trying to your personal view, which is why I explained why such a system is bad for consumers.

Anyway, it is good to hear your support for iOS users being able to make in-app purchases from 3rd party stores. Yay judge!
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Wait... we're getting 3rd-party app stores now?

So now I can go to some other marketplace and download apps to my iPhone?

How did I miss that?

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LeadingHeat said:
I just don’t understand how they can be forced to have others market on their storefront. Target would never let Walmart have a sign in the store saying “hey, we have this exact same thing for $5 cheaper! Come to us!” Or Verizon at AT&T, or Chevrolet at a Ford dealership, etc etc etc.

I get that the digital storefront is slightly different, and that digital laws (or lack thereof) makes this kind of the Wild West right now, but it still feels off. I suppose this is a good middle ground though, as long as they can require that if a developer chooses to link externally that they also must provide an option for in-app purchase. That way we as consumers aren’t forced onto potentially shady websites entering our card info if we WANT to stay within the walled garden.
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Bunch of products you buy at Walmart have advertisement inside their packages telling you to buy stuff directly from the manufacturer...
 
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SigurTom said:
So, thanks for all your hard work Apple, but now you have to make it a free marketplace? Dumb
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Who said it had to be free or is free?

They already charge $99 a year to put an app in the app store. This is going to stick and its' going to hit everyone (Google, Amazon, etc) plus the 30% in most cases. This was a greed cash grab from day 1 exceeding margins stores make on physical goods (that those store have to stock, account for theft, labor, etc)

Companies will just change their business models. Raise the hosting fee from $99 to something higher. Have an app update to publish? Charge a fee. They will get their money.

I think people forget that any app that is connected to the net has a developer also paying web hosting fees (AWS, Azure, Google Cloud, etc.). Apple doesn't make 30% on physical third party goods they sell in the Apple store.
 
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SMH4KIDIOT said:
Apple literally just lost a major case that allows alternate payment methods the reason this case was brought up in the first place. That is a win for Epic. Either way you look at it the outcome is in favor of what Epic wanted. As to if they will be allowed back into the store, I don't see why not, either willingly or forcefully by the courts.
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and even if this law comes
To effect apple is granted the choice by the judge for epic to come back to the App Store which means apple can punish epic by banning them forever preventing them from achieving this opportunity to make more money no matter what the idiot Sweeney says that after 90 days Fortnite will be “automatically back in the App Store”

Sweeney shot himself in the foot over this case and is still in denial mode
 
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