Epic Games vs. Apple: Timeline of Events Surrounding Fortnite's Removal From App Store

[Heat_Fan89]

I hope this ends up killing epic games. They make crap and they are crap. Should have been kicked off months ago since I’m sure most of the snot nosed kids are using their parents credit cards to buy worthless garbage.

They don't make crap. They have one of the best if not the best video game engines in Unreal 4 and the Unreal Engine 5 looks amazing. Watch the Playstation 5 demo and see for yourself.

 

[4jasontv]

It’s truly amazing the crap you guys come up with to defend Apple🙄
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Adults as well 🙄

Don’t target children with micro transactions and game subscription. It’s disgusting but expected from predatory organizations that use different arms of its organization to influence public impression.

 

[Jimmy James]

Again, fortunately it’s not your decision if it’s a monopoly or not.

No, it isn’t. Still, they could simply choose to close their store. Monopoly judgement or otherwise.

 

[4jasontv]

I’m exactly on this bandwagon too.
I would rather pay, say $13 for GoodNotes 5 from the AppStore instead of $10ish outside and get the security, sync between devices, family sharing, Mac/iOS/iPadOS all in one shot, auto updates, change/upgrade/repair device and it’s still magically there like if it never went away, etc etc etc.... same with ProCreate, Photoshop and others.

However, how could this be resolved? There must be a way to keep everybody happy? Devs and customers and tinkering users alike?
Maybe allowing the use of apps installed from everywhere but shifting accountability in that case? i.e refunds have to be handled on your own, if an user’s bank account gets hacked can’t blame Apple for malware gotten from dubious software, so on and so forth...

Would that make sense?

Can we get app developers to be held accountable for making an app work before we support giving them more? Good Reader 5 is a great example of an app that sells fixes instead of honoring the idea of just getting the app to work.

 

[4jasontv]

They don't make crap. They have one of the best if not the best video game engines in Unreal 4 and the Unreal Engine 5 looks amazing. Watch the Playstation 5 demo and see for yourself.

They charge people to use it commercially. Users should have a choice to buy Unreal games but not have to pay an Unreal tax for developers to license it.

 

[vladimirc]

So what percentage isn't too high? 30% is as arbitrary a number as 40% or 20%.

The problem is not the percentage. The problem is that apple acts as sole gatekeeper to 1.5 billion devices. Thye should not be allowed to be in that position

 

[4jasontv]

The problem is not the percentage. The problem is that apple acts as sole gatekeeper to 1.5 billion devices. Thye should not be allowed to be in that position

They literally made all of them. They don’t just deserve to be sole gate keeper, they have an obligation to continue being it.

 

[Realityck]

They literally made all of them. They don’t just deserve to be sole gate keeper, they have an obligation to continue being it.

Which is why EPIC is likely seeking change not abandonment.

Related: Epic Games Kicks Off a Brilliantly Timed Assault on Apple and Google - Motley Fool

It's worth noting some key differences in iOS and Android. Apple maintains strict control over iOS and the average consumer can only download or purchase content via the App Store. Android is a little more open and apps can be sideloaded or manually downloaded onto devices, bypassing Google Play. Epic used to leverage this circuitous route for Android but earlier this year finally begrudgingly released Fortnite directly on Google Play, arguing that Google had used various underhanded tricks that "puts software downloadable outside of Google Play at a disadvantage."

The video game industry is incredibly competitive, especially on mobile platforms. It's not an exaggeration to say that the 30% fees can make or break smaller studios, which Epic CEO Tim Sweeney has noted.

 

[racer1441]

They don't make crap. They have one of the best if not the best video game engines in Unreal 4 and the Unreal Engine 5 looks amazing. Watch the Playstation 5 demo and see for yourself.

I have. Derivative crap from morons.
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I love Unreal Tournament, Gears of War, and the Infinity Blade series.

I’ll write that down? I get it we all have different interest, but honestly these folks seem like money sucking scammers.

 

[4jasontv]

Which is why EPIC is likely seeking change not abandonment.

Related: Epic Games Kicks Off a Brilliantly Timed Assault on Apple and Google - Motley Fool

they have as much right to change the App Store as Sham-Wow has to change Walmart.

 

[Bandaman]

I’ll write that down? I get it we all have different interest, but honestly these folks seem like money sucking scammers.

They are, but they still occasionally make good games. Unfortunately, Infinity Blade isn't available on iOS anymore.

 

[PC_tech]

No adult is still playing Fortnite. What grown adult can be entertained by the same game for years and years

Plenty of adults play it, what an ignorant assumption.

 

[PC_tech]

They literally made all of them. They don’t just deserve to be sole gate keeper, they have an obligation to continue being it.

Foxconn literally made them all 🙄

 

[PC_tech]

Don’t target children with micro transactions and game subscription. It’s disgusting but expected from predatory organizations that use different arms of its organization to influence public impression.

🙄

 

[Heat_Fan89]

They charge people to use it commercially. Users should have a choice to buy Unreal games but not have to pay an Unreal tax for developers to license it.

Totally disagree, they put the R&D work into it, they deserve the right to license their game engines. You work for free?

 

[4jasontv]

Totally disagree, they put the R&D work into it, they deserve the right to license their game engines. You work for free?

You mean like Apple put R&D into the App Store?

 

[4jasontv]

Foxconn literally made them all 🙄

They assemble it.
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Plenty of adults play it, what an ignorant assumption.

Children are the ones paying.

 

[PC_tech]

They assemble it.
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Children are the ones paying.

As i said.... Foxconn literally makes them🙄

And adults pay as well 🙄

 

[4jasontv]

As i said.... Foxconn literally makes them🙄

And adults pay as well 🙄

The evidence suggests they don’t.

 

[PC_tech]

The evidence suggests they don’t.

You can believe whatever it is you want, adults play and pay as well 🙄

 

[4jasontv]

You can believe whatever it is you want, adults play and pay as well 🙄

How do you figure? By definition an adult is someone who knows better.

 

[PC_tech]

How do you figure? By definition an adult is someone who knows better.

I have nothing further to add here, you’re just making stuff up and it’s quite disgusting. That you think adults don’t play and pay for video games is absolute, willful ignorance.

 

[4jasontv]

I have nothing further to add here, you’re just making stuff up and it’s quite disgusting. That you think adults don’t play and pay for video games is absolute, willful ignorance.

I didn't say adults don't play video games. Adults do indeed play video games, and they pay for them. But Fortnight isn't a video game. It's an interactive slot machine that rewards repeated payments with flashy colors.

 

[Bandaman]

I didn't say adults don't play video games. Adults do indeed play video games, and they pay for them. But Fortnight isn't a video game. It's an interactive slot machine that rewards repeated payments with flashy colors.

Lots of adults play Fortnite. So nothing you're saying is true.

 

[PC_tech]

Lots of adults play Fortnite. So nothing you're saying is true.

Yes they do and to say otherwise is absolutely obtuse.