Epic vs. Apple Takes a Twist As 35 US States and Department of Justice Weigh in to Back 'Fortnite' Maker

[MysticCow]

The local cable or fiber optic internet provider would prefer if their customers had to purchase their TV content directly from them since they invested in the physical network. But they are regulated and have to allow their customers to be able to purchase content from competitors like NetFlix.

The local cable or fiber optic internet provider had to get an exclusive monopoly agreement from the regional government to operate. That's how it works in the USA, at least. In other countries, things might run a tad different.

For rural areas, you have ZERO CHOICE for an internet provider, as cell service for "unlimited data that in reality throttles after 20 GB" is...iffy at best. In rural areas, it's cable company or nothing, even if you've successfully "cut the cord" from your cable company and only need them for internet.

 

[erikkfi]

I noticed MGM advertised their services in my hotel room. Delta also promoted its services mid-flight. I couldn't find a single reference to Buggs in the Magic Kingdom.

This is a comparison between utterly unlike things and not worth considering further.

 

[turbineseaplane]

For rural areas, you have ZERO CHOICE for an internet provider, as cell service for "unlimited data that in reality throttles after 20 GB" is...iffy at best. In rural areas, it's cable company or nothing, even if you've successfully "cut the cord" from your cable company and only need them for internet.

And. It. Sucks.

(including if you do have a choice -- usually just one single other one)

Americans don't realize how much of a total butt screw we get from corporations and their lobbying interests.
So much of the country has Stockholm syndrome w/ regard to the corporate overlords

 

[I7guy]

Unfortunately it doesn’t work that well, that’s why regulators exist because voting with your dollars doesn’t mean harm isn’t done. And literally voting have spoken.

Well what a shame, if apple just allowed third party payments or lowered their commission we wouldn’t be here. But I guess apple and you rather trade short term greed to long term losing the platform

We'll see what happens. eh? It ain't over until it's over.

And. It. Sucks.

(including if you do have a choice -- usually just one single other one)

Americans don't realize how much of a total butt screw we get from corporations and their lobbying interests.
So much of the country has Stockholm syndrome w/ regard to the corporate overlords

Why do people buy from a company who screws them left and right? Isn't it better to vote with your $$$.

 

[turbineseaplane]

We'll see what happens. eh? It ain't over until it's over.

Why do people buy from a company who screws them left and right? Isn't it better to vote with your $$$.

The comment was about ISPs

In huge swaths of the country there is no choice to "vote with your $$$"
Or there is "one other choice" and both totally suck

 

[StupidOpinion]

Apple, the richest company in the world, charges 30% on iOS app developers including small businesses. These businesses don't have much choice but to abide by Apple tax due to the iPhone's popularity. It's a monopoly.

 

[MysticCow]

Why do people buy from a company who screws them left and right? Isn't it better to vote with your $$$.

Go back and read again for comprehension...

 

[Wildkraut]

Amazing, told ya, Apple won't win...
What will you say now? Apple should leave the US?! LOL

 

[vipergts2207]

Amazing, told ya, Apple won't win...
What will you say now? Apple should leave the US?! LOL

Unsurprisingly that's already been suggested in this thread lmao. At least these 35 states anyway.

 

[MysticCow]

Amazing, told ya, Apple won't win...
What will you say now? Apple should leave the US?! LOL

You never know. Microsoft technically "won" against the US government in their lawsuit. They didn't change much, if at all.

I'm not saying if Apple *should* win, and I am on record as saying they should allow sideloading similar to how Roku used to allow it (set limit on sideloads), but there's always a chance for a "win."

 

[4nNtt]

I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.

Google Play side-loads didn’t result in a mass exodus, but I still agree that side-loading should be limited because it makes the device less secure and less stable.

The main change I’d like to see is for Apple to remove App Review for custom apps that are installed through Apple Business Manager. It is really none of Apple’s business what is installed using the custom apps “private app store” or with Test Flight.

 

[fernelius]

I wonder if there’s another way of looking at this that is helpful. It’s not unusual for people to conclude that those whose agents do the majority of the work should get the majority of the income. It’s been a while since I’ve done development on Apple’s platforms, but they could use the debugger or profiler to see whose code the application spends the majority of its time (the app developer or Apple) and measure the percentage of time spent in either for a typical run. The developer could be paid a share relative to the time spent in their code. I suspect for the majority of developers, they would find 30% or 15% quite a bargain based on the percentage of the labor their code actually contributes.

 

[Ethosik]

wut?

lmao

2+2 = 3 for you apparently

I spelled it out in my post if you read it. Choice now is Android and iOS thus open vs closed. I went with iOS because it’s closed. Where is my closed choice if iOS has to open up? Thus, this removes choice.

 

[ReallyRod]

Not sure if this has ben suggested...but in the same way there is stock Android why not stock iOS? I know it's possible to jailbreak but given a choice of the walled garden or an open platform (maybe at the users own risk?) anyone who wants to stay in the garden can and anyone that wants the Wild West does so at their own risk?

 

[Ethosik]

The comment was about ISPs

In huge swaths of the country there is no choice to "vote with your $$$"
Or there is "one other choice" and both totally suck

I can’t get anything other than Spectrum. And their service is horrible. Even with gigabit I experience a lot of issues.

 

[Ethosik]

Apple, the richest company in the world, charges 30% on iOS app developers including small businesses. These businesses don't have much choice but to abide by Apple tax due to the iPhone's popularity. It's a monopoly.

You can’t make the market so narrow. This is like saying Steam Video Game Developers have no choice but to pay Steam their cut. It’s not iOS developers but it’s mobile developers. There is Android.

 

[vipergts2207]

You can’t make the market so narrow. This is like saying Steam Video Game Developers have no choice but to pay Steam their cut. It’s not iOS developers but it’s mobile developers. There is Android.

So you do understand that there's a duopoly. Perhaps what you don't understand is that a duopoly can have the same negative impacts on a market that a monopoly can.

 

[Maximara]

Businesses aren’t people.

Actually, Businesses are people. "The U.S. Supreme Court says they are, at least for some purposes." - When Did Companies Become People? Excavating The Legal Evolution

 

[Mescagnus]

Whatever your opinion on this matter may be, it's clear Apple will be forced to alter its App Store policy in a meaningful way. There are just too many government bodies pushing this for Apple to maintain the status quo. It's only a matter of when not if. Apple must know this too and has decided on a delaying strategy to squeeze out profits from the current structure for as long as possible.

In other words, Apple as we know it is about to be doomed.

There, someone had to say it.

 

[_Spinn_]

I have a bad feeling that regulation is going to ruin the App Store.

 

[SenorWhyMe]

You’ve been able to sideload on Android since its inception. Every* garbage company/institution still uses the default store of the OS/platform.

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thank you , these people are getting annoying majority of the time they stick with default store apps, if they wanted to do extra then it’s alternative stores for example downloading Davinci Resolve for mac outside of the app store has more options because the app store policies keep holding it back

 

[turbineseaplane]

I have a bad feeling that regulation is going to ruin the App Store.

Apple could get in front of all this and make proactive changes

They are choosing to sink the ship rather than alter any of the decking

 

[4jasontv]

This is a comparison between utterly unlike things and not worth considering further.

It's Apple's Magic Kingdom. It's literally the same thing. Go fly android if you don't like the cost of Shooters on iOS.

 

[Wildkraut]

How much did Epic spend for this?

How much did Apple pay Judge Yvonne Gonzalez Rogers?

 

[Wildkraut]

Will PlayStation and Xbox have to do the same thing?

Maybe someday, just throw the first stone, your chance.