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I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.

You’ve been able to sideload on Android since its inception. Every* garbage company/institution still uses the default store of the OS/platform.

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The App Store is, and will always be, inherently insecure by design. Putting control of your application signing in the hands of a third party that can be compromised is insecure.

Chinese dissidents learned this, as Apple was compromised by it's financial relationships with the Chinese government and blocked protesting apps, quite probably leading to their deaths in some cases.

For the good of everyone, app stores must be made a criminal enterprise.
 
I hope Apple withdraws from states that do this until their technologically inept dinosaur legislators are forced to backpedal due to public backlash. If sideloading were allowed, immediately every garbage company/institution will withdraw from the app store and force you to sideload their app as the only way to get it. It'll be like when Netflix, a single beautiful cable TV replacement, was cut up into 100 individual annoying services because a bunch of companies got greedy.
What fantasy world were you living in where Netflix was a cable tv replacement?
 
Apple is behaving like petulant child - or an adult who can't learn and can't change.

Back in the day, when Apple was this small company that was about to die, they needed all the protection they could get; they needed full control of the app store; they needed all that.

But now, Apple is the most valuable company in the world, making more phones than anyone else, and also more profits than anyone else. Times have changed.

Apple doesn't need protection - other players need protection from apple. Apple has grown from the bullied child to the bully. So they must change. And these lawsuits will hopefully make this clear.

If they were smart they would use this to their advantage and create a fully decentralized app store

It would

- Get rid of censorthip, which benefits their products in the long run.
- Get rid of government interference ("Sorry we can't control these other app stores, that app that the HK protestors use to organize, we can't make it not work").
- Hand the power to the people

The idea that Apple needs to squeeze profits out of the app store, and therefore must keep a monopoly, is incorrect. Apple is building a platform, and the health of the platform is the number 1 concern - a platform supported by more independent app stores is more powerful!

The idea that Apple must keep an iron grip on what's running on iPhones is also flawed. The most benevolent dictator eventually turns bad - in the 20 year or 30 year view, a free and open platform will benefit Apple more.

Apple could create a decentralized review system with trust scores, like Uber ratings, or Airbnb ratings, they could create a token model where tokens are distributed to the best reviewers, where users rate apps, and help other users, and Apple can sit back, relax, and tweak the system every now and then to keep it working well.

This and many more opportunities. 3rd party app stores are a huge opportunity for Apple.

Only their stubborn insistence on the past prevents them from seeing that.
 
its about time somebody spoke up about this. Course their are so many people on this site that are PRO APPLE even if this is morally wrong . Just like when iTunes was the only way to go to get paid for your music.

Monopoly. Monopoly
This is about being pro developers not pro Apple. Epic are trying to destroy small developers and force their own store to rise the cost of selling games and apps.
 
Now how can this article not be filed under 'political' when referring to DOJ and 35 states?

if you say anything even remotely out of line you get a soft ban. So 'mmmm interesting' is my milquetoast response of zero value.

I do love the juicy ideological tug of war going on with things like these proposed to the modern 'philosopher' though: lick the boot of mega corporation cause they make some nice products or lick the boot of current US 'what have you' because, well, you know, the thing? Cant have both.

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I also love the nuanced observations 'no one is forcing you to get an iPhone, so boo hoo Epic Games' as if that settles it from any further scrutiny or consideration when this is clearly still an ongoing anti trust matter.
 
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Apple is behaving like petulant child - or an adult who can't learn and can't change.

Back in the day, when Apple was this small company that was about to die, they needed all the protection they could get; they needed full control of the app store; they needed all that.

But now, Apple is the most valuable company in the world, making more phones than anyone else, and also more profits than anyone else. Times have changed.

Apple doesn't need protection - other players need protection from apple. Apple has grown from the bullied child to the bully. So they must change. And these lawsuits will hopefully make this clear.

If they were smart they would use this to their advantage and create a fully decentralized app store

It would

- Get rid of censorthip, which benefits their products in the long run.
- Get rid of government interference ("Sorry we can't control these other app stores, that app that the HK protestors use to organize, we can't make it not work").
- Hand the power to the people

The idea that Apple needs to squeeze profits out of the app store, and therefore must keep a monopoly, is incorrect. Apple is building a platform, and the health of the platform is the number 1 concern - a platform supported by more independent app stores is more powerful!

The idea that Apple must keep an iron grip on what's running on iPhones is also flawed. The most benevolent dictator eventually turns bad - in the 20 year or 30 year view, a free and open platform will benefit Apple more.

Apple could create a decentralized review system with trust scores, like Uber ratings, or Airbnb ratings, they could create a token model where tokens are distributed to the best reviewers, where users rate apps, and help other users, and Apple can sit back, relax, and tweak the system every now and then to keep it working well.

This and many more opportunities. 3rd party app stores are a huge opportunity for Apple.

Only their stubborn insistence on the past prevents them from seeing that.
Apple is doing exactly what it should be doing. People who have issues with the way Apple is running their business have options -- that is the most powerful option. Vote with your $$$.
 
You’ve been able to sideload on Android since its inception. Every* garbage company/institution still uses the default store of the OS/platform.

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I’ve made this argument before. Why don’t many large developers, currently, pull out of the Google play store? It may BECAUSE Apple doesn’t offer sideloading. Developing a custom solution for just Android, especially in major markets like the US, may not be economically prudent.

However, if both platforms allowed developers to distribute their apps outside their default marketplaces, then there would be an economic incentive for developers to remove their apps from both app stores to create a separate, cross-platform distribution mechanism to install apps. WhatsApp and Instagram will only be available in the “Meta App Marketplace” and you’d have to go to “Microsoft iOS and Android Online App Store” to purchase and download all
Mobile apps. You would have to revisit their online distribution stores for payment and app updates.

In other words, don’t assume that pulling just one thread wouldn’t indeed alter the entire landscape.
 
Apple is doing exactly what it should be doing. People who have issues with the way Apple is running their business have options -- that is the most powerful option. Vote with your $$$.


Tim Cook doing aspiring politician things. Im sure the workforce is emboldened by his erm, leadership.
 
The constant claims that Apple is doing no wrong or that governments won’t have the will to make changes to the laws so that they apply properly to the digital economy is rather contradicted when 35 states, as disparate in political leanings as Texas, Idaho, Kentucky, Colorado, New York, and Washington all agree on this.
 
The one where I haven’t had cable Tv since Netflix started streaming a decade and a half ago…

So you canceled cable and got a service that provided totally different content. Then called it a cable equivalent. Congratulations. Hope live sports on Netflix are treating you well.

Hulu back in the day was closer to a cable replacement than Netflix ever was or is. At least they had much of the same content a day after it aired.
 
Just the other day, I was using a friend's Oppo phone.

I tried to help my friend recover some deleted data. Naturally, I went to the Oppo/Android app store to look for "data recovery" apps. My god. What a freaking mess. Every app on there was a scam. None of them did anything except play endless ads and then scan existing data. All the reviews, sometimes 40,000+ reviews were fake.

I get the argument for 3rd party app stores. But the average consumer is going to be duped so easily by low quality app stores and apps.

Absolutely.

Everyone here who supports side loading assumes all of Apple's iPhone customer base are as technically sophisticated as they are. That's just not true.

It will be a huge mess with security issues and payments going sideways for which people will have no solutions. Apple will not be able to help in these situations.
 
Yeah, that story has been floating around. A CEO has to wear many hats.

Counterpoint: A CEO should stay out of personally calling senators and let them decide on their own as is their job responsibility. It's unsolicited spam from a biased source. Stick to making the latest iPhone, not the latest policy it's inappropriate.

Senators aren't personally calling Tim Cook requesting what they want to see in the newest device, at least as far as I know. And if they did, that too would be inappropriate.
 
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