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In Australia indeed iOS is the most installed OS on mobile devices. I didn't know that there is a country in which Apple has the biggest marketshare except for us of a. Here in Spain for example Android is installed on 80% of all devices.
Here in Japan Apple is hugely popular, I think it’s close to 65%. Of course one reason might be that Samsung isn’t very big here owning to the historical tensions between Japan and South Korea. Of course in SK the opposite is true, with Samsung alone having like 65% of the market. Pays to be the hometown hero!
 
If epic win , you can still choose not to sideload

It's time to let apple be open
You mean it’s time to FORCE Apple to do something you want them to whether they want to or not. Apple could choose to take the Android approach if they wanted, they don’t want to. The entitlement of people (and companies like Epic) that think they should be able to dictate their preference without good reason is mind boggling.

It’s simple:

Do you want sideloading?
YES: Buy an Android
NO: Buy an iPhone

Why are you trying to take away people’s choice?
 
But more choice will allow market forces
Market forces already allow people to choose whether they like Apples closed approach or Androids open approach. As I already said above:

Customers: If you want side loading, buy an Android phone.

Developers: If you don’t want to distribute your app through the App Store, develop for Android instead.
 
I want to support the App Developer, who is the one that did the work, and not some shady middleman mafia corp.
You do realize that you're still paying this so-called shady middleman mafia corp for their hardware? It's great that you want to support developers by paying for apps, IAPs and subscriptions - I applaud that - but it sounds like you're being indignant out of one side of your face and compliant from the other.
 
Only thing ironic is trying to claim you want people to have a choice by… not offering a choice at all, even though that toggle in settings would completely satisfy both people.

why not just be outright about it and say you want it done your way and nobody else has the right to theirs 🙄
LoL. You have a choice, in fact lots of choices. Go be Google’s droid…. Not everyone wants to be the product….
 
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If epic win , you can still choose not to sideload

It's time to let apple be open

You think there are no side effects of being open if you don't participate. But there is. Just look at Windows and Android in particula, but also the Mac. They are not as easy to use and convenient and safe as iOS.

The convenience of having just one store, just one form of app distribution and just one party to deal with is awesome.
Sideloading and multiple stores will make it more complex and worse for many of us.
 
Do you want sideloading?
YES: Buy an Android
NO: Buy an iPhone
This is the part people seem to be struggling with. This, as you stated it…is a choice! If these people get their way, it now becomes:

Do you want sideloading?
YES: Buy an Android.
NO: Oh well. 🤷‍♂️

In these people’s efforts to “create more choice” they are actually taking it away.

If I had to throw a guess out there with absolutely no evidence to support it…I’d guess that most iOS users do NOT want this opened up…and will be upset if it happens, because it’s pretty much a guarantee that some of their favorite apps will pull out of the App Store.
 
If the other app stores don’t charge a high commission fee (or if developers can host apps themselves) the savings gained from not paying Apple’s fees would outweigh the costs.
That's one possibility, sure. Too early for me to say one way or another with that level of certainty, especially since there's no indication of things changing yet. This is probably something I'd feel like theorizing more about if Apple was required to allow third-party app stores and / or sideloading on iOS, but who knows when that's going to happen (if ever), and what the requirements might be like (both from the courts to Apple and from Apple to developers).
 
But then it's developers right to chose where he want to offer his App.

Which is exactly one of the main reasons I oppose it. By giving developers more power they can hurt me with their decisions. Today, Apple forces the developers to do a lot of things they don't want to do which benefits me as a user.
They also force developers to do a lot of things which benefits Apple, but that's fine since I don't care about developers.

I like how it is today where they are treated as second class citizens.
 
I definitely meant you. Apps still run sandboxed without root access

Yes, but the apps can ask the user to get out of that sandbox for contacts, photos and more. If a developer misuses this Apple can shut them down. This would't be possible with side loading or with other stores.

Unless you want Apple to have the power to stop apps outside its store, but then it defeats the purpose of having side loading and other stores.
 
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Yeah, I got that. It was sarcasm to point out the silliness of your reply.

You're acting like a malicious party distributing an unvetted app from a random App Store couldn't find the loop hole to become the middle man on a users phone.
Lol, you guys... one post it's "Apple App Store is plagued with spyware" right to the next post with "Apple is sandboxed you got nothing to worry about bro. Bring on side loading it's only a positive" You guys are jokes. As long as it fits the trolly post y'all are writing.... lol
Nice, way to paint the opposing argument as “trolling,” not like that’s against the rules or anything… 🙄

  1. Name-calling. Name-calling falls into the category of insults and will be treated as such according to the forum rules, your own opinion about another member notwithstanding. You can't call a bigot a bigot, a troll a troll, or a fanboy a fanboy, any more than you can call an idiot an idiot. You can disagree with the content of another member's statement or give your evidence or opinion to dispute their claims, but you may not make a negative personal characterization about that member.


Beyond that, nothing you typed is new nor worth arguing with if that’s the attitude you’re going to have.
 
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Yes, but the apps can ask the user to get out of that sandbox for contacts, photos and more. If a developer misuses this Apple can shut them down. This would't be possible with side loading or with other stores.

Unless you want Apple to have the power to stop apps outside its store, but then it defeats the purpose of having side loading and other stores.
Ummm then just decline the access request if you don’t want it to have access… what is this lol
 
Ummm then just decline the access request if you don’t want it to have access… what is this lol
I mean there are absolutely no apps out there that don’t hide their intentions and do what they want without notifying the users of their intentions. I mean that never happens, we don’t have any examples of apps behaving in a perfidious fashion.

I mean those fine upstanding app developers would never LIE to you about what their app is trying to really accomplish..
 
[...] Apple has already made many billions of dollars from the App Store. They should get out in front of all of this legal trouble and open up under terms they can control vs what a court or a government might force them to do. But I guess they’ll fight this to the bitter end.

It is not about just a few billion dollars for Apple.

Apple makes about $16 billions per quarter in services revenue. Most of it is from the App Store. The revenue from services is equal to the Mac and iPad sales together. If you look at profits, services constitutes 31% of the generated profit butt only 18% of the revenue.

It is a lot of money for Apple which are important for Apple's profits. Being able to delay such things for 3 years would probably make Apple several tens of billions of dollars extra.
 
I mean there are absolutely no apps out there that don’t hide their intentions and do what they want without notifying the users of their intentions. I mean that never happens, we don’t have any examples of apps behaving in a perfidious fashion.

I mean those fine upstanding app developers would never LIE to you about what their app is trying to really accomplish..
Might as well lock down macOS then if we can’t trust users to make their own informed decisions 🙄 you’re responsible for what you install, and that goes for many sketchy apps in the App Store. It’s time for apple to stop playing nanny.
 
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If you want "open"...I'm going to drag out the same tired repetitive statement...you have another option. People are all about having a "choice" but forcing Apple to open...TAKES AWAY THAT CHOICE! Many of us chose Apple because it's closed and we didn't want "open" Android. Force Apple to open and now your choices are "open" or... "open". That's not a choice.

You already have an "open" choice. For **** sake, stop trying to take away the only "closed" one for those of us who want it. The level of irony is astounding. In the hope to provide "choice" you actually want to take it away.
I'm going to take your repetitive statement and raise you a repetitive statement. If Apple don't like it they are free to not trade in a country where they don't want to follow the rule of the courts, (sometimes referred to as the law)?
 
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