Epic Wins Appeal to Continue Antitrust Case Against Apple in Australia

Absolute Trainwreck said:
Ummm then just decline the access request if you don’t want it to have access… what is this lol
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I do want it to have the access, but only for its intended use.

You don't know what the apps will do with the rights granted in the background.

Why do you think Apple implemented a way to only grant access to specific photos when before there was all or nothing? If no developer misused this access there would be no need for this feature.

There are hundreds of thousands, if not millions of dishonest developers out there who do shady things (or will do if given the power) towards users.
 
Absolute Trainwreck said:
Only thing ironic is trying to claim you want people to have a choice by… not offering a choice at all, even though that toggle in settings would completely satisfy both people.

why not just be outright about it and say you want it done your way and nobody else has the right to theirs 🙄
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So, that would mean that the people that like a closed "walled garden" now have no choice.because there would no longer be one. just sayin
 
subi257 said:
Exactly, Epic was nothing before the Apple app store and they admitted that so much was made easier by Apple's software tools.
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“Nothing before the App Store” LOLOLOL

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Absolute Trainwreck said:
Might as well lock down macOS then if we can’t trust users to make their own informed decisions 🙄 you’re responsible for what you install, and that goes for many sketchy apps in the App Store. It’s time for apple to stop playing nanny and fortunately several governments and regulatory bodies out there see the validity in that
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I have my MacOS locked down pretty tightly I also run things like “little snitch“ and then on my network firewall I also runs an IDS. I only install things that I need and can verify where they came from but then I take an active interest in my own personal security

I find it humorous that you think the average user can make informed decisions, half of them click on files in their email that come from unknown people thinking that that nice Nigerian prince wants to share their fortune with them, or the invoice from that shipping company you have never used. the other half clicks on that link in their email that says their paypal account is going to deactivate if they don’t click here right now.

The average person needs something like the App Store to at least do what the App Store does, which is ”try” to keep nefarious software off of people’s devices.

I also find it laughable in the extreme that you think the Government and its regulatory bodies are goiNGS protect us and can fix the problem. We can find examples littered throughout history of the altruistic care that Government has for their citizens. I am far from anti government but I also know that it is run by people and they are fallible and look out for their own interests before those of the people.

Our current government in the US is just a poor choice of the color of stick you get beaten with, run by overeducated useless people who think they know what is best for you and dictate it out of Washington D.C. The last thing I want is those morons dealing with how I choose to spend what little money they let me keep.
 
Kirkster said:
I have my MacOS locked down pretty tightly I also run things like “little snitch“ and then on my network firewall I also runs an IDS. I only install things that I need and can verify where they came from but then I take an active interest in my own personal security

I find it humorous that you think the average user can make informed decisions, half of them click on files in their email that come from unknown people thinking that that nice Nigerian prince wants to share their fortune with them, or the invoice from that shipping company you have never used. the other half clicks on that link in their email that says their paypal account is going to deactivate if they don’t click here right now.

The average person needs something like the App Store to at least do what the App Store does, which is ”try” to keep nefarious software off of people’s devices.

I also find it laughable in the extreme that you think the Government and its regulatory bodies are goiNGS protect us and can fix the problem. We can find examples littered throughout history of the altruistic care that Government has for their citizens. I am far from anti government but I also know that it is run by people and they are fallible and look out for their own interests before those of the people.

Our current government in the US is just a poor choice of the color of stick you get beaten with, run by overeducated useless people who think they know what is best for you and dictate it out of Washington D.C. The last thing I want is those morons dealing with how I choose to spend what little money they let me keep.
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Yeah sorry I can’t read through all this but the first sentence summed up your stance on this pretty well. Let’s go ahead and say we disagree on this, and that’s fine. But a toggle in settings would satisfy both sides, and arguing against said toggle only limits choice for others. You might as well be upfront about this “my way or the highway” mentality and stop trying to sweep it under philosophy or politics. It’s not that complicated
 
McKodiak said:
Apple should just come up with their own jailbreaking software which would notify users that if they jailbreak, their warranty is void and they won’t receive any future OS updates or security patches. Best of luck.
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You can’t deny hardware warranty if there’s no proof that the software damaged the hardware, and if software can damage the hardware, then your kernel and OS have serious security issues
 
Absolute Trainwreck said:
Yeah sorry I can’t read through all this but the first sentence summed up your stance on this pretty well. Let’s go ahead and say we disagree on this, and that’s fine. But a toggle in settings would satisfy both sides, and arguing against said toggle only limits choice for others. You might as well be upfront about this “my way or the highway” mentality and stop trying to sweep it under philosophy or politics. It’s not that complicated
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I know, we are on a forum, deep intellectual conversation is not really possible.

There already are choices. You just think your way is best. Feel free to use an alternative. And if you are right Apple will wilt and die… If not, well everything will be fine in the walled garden that a company built for its devices and users.

Apple doe not need Epic in order to survive.

They just need to keep producing products and services that customers WANT.
 
Kirkster said:
I know, we are on a forum, deep intellectual conversation is not really possible.

There already are choices. You just think your way is best. Feel free to use an alternative. And if you are right Apple will wilt and die… If not, well everything will be fine in the walled garden that a company built for its devices and users.

Apple doe not need Epic in order to survive.

They just need to keep producing products and services that customers WANT.
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your opinion on politics and your philosophies on how users “should” use their computers is irrelevant and doesn’t qualify for “deep intellectual” exchange. I frankly couldn’t care less what your stance on this is, as you shouldn’t care about mine. That’s why I’ve been arguing for a toggle this whole time so that both camps are happy. But then you went ahead and said:

“You think your way is best”

what part of me arguing for a TOGGLE gave you that “deeply intellectual” insight?
 
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H2SO4 said:
I'm going to take your repetitive statement and raise you a repetitive statement. If Apple don't like it they are free to not trade in a country where they don't want to follow the rule of the courts, (sometimes referred to as the law)?
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Absolutely, they are free to make that decision (of course we know they won't because, well, money). If they were to do that, the only people affected are the users in those countries. Whereas these countries are trying to make moves that affect ALL of us, whether in their country or not. I'm not a fan of that. That's too far in my opinion.

To paraphrase Spock: "The wants of the many outweigh the wants of the few". It's a pretty safe assumption that the "many" do not want this. The "few" do. Unfortunately, the "few"...are loud, and governments love to make it look like they're doing something other than sitting and twiddling their thumbs. And unfortunately for those governments, when they DO get involved in something, chances are high that they completely ruin it. They manage to take something that works...and break it. We use Apple devices/software for work at the hospital because it's simple and secure. It is also literally the same reason why the school district my wife teaches in uses Apple. Force it to open up, and our reasons for using it in the first place, fade away.
 
sw1tcher said:
🤣

When giving users the option to sideload is considered taking away people's choice... Oh, brother. :rolleyes:🤦‍♂️
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Because once again, you and I both know darn well it won't be an "option" when some of your favorite or most useful apps pull out of the App Store and you HAVE to side load. The average iOS user who doesn't give a crap about side loading is going to be pretty peeved when they have to go through this to get Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, Microsoft Office apps, etc.

The fact that people actually think this is going to be an "option" is hilarious. For reasons of sheer greed...it won't be an "option" and instead be a giant PITA.
 
iOS Geek said:
Because once again, you and I both know darn well it won't be an "option" when some of your favorite or most useful apps pull out of the App Store and you HAVE to side load. The average iOS user who doesn't give a crap about side loading is going to be pretty peeved when they have to go through this to get Facebook, Instagram, Messenger, Microsoft Office apps, etc.

The fact that people actually think this is going to be an "option" is hilarious. For reasons of sheer greed...it won't be an "option" and instead be a giant PITA.
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If your favourite apps leave the App Store then I guess they had a good reason to do so… hmm I wonder what that reason would be lol.

I do like how you indirectly admitted that App Store rules might drive devs away when presented with better options. Almost sounds like you’re the one fighting against choice here doesn’t it
 
turbineseaplane said:
Based on some opinions in this thread...

One wonders how on Earth millions of people are happily, safely and successfully using their Macs, where installations of anything from anywhere are fully allowed (as it should be)?
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Probably won’t be that way very long either. Apple knows certain people will lap it up every time they lock stuff down. They’d absolutely get away with it
 
Kirkster said:
Oh, I am sorry, I was not the one to trot out that the Government that was you…. Have fun trolling.
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I was referring to the ongoing investigations and wasn’t making a commentary on their source or intentions. Just because I say “government” doesn’t mean I’m making political commentary - I like to think English language is more complex than that but then again it’s my second language so I’m sorry if I made you feel that way.

calling others trolls is also against the rules so I’d suggest you edit that out. Or don’t, I don’t mind either way
 
Wildkraut said:
Loving it! 🤣 Governments are finally waking up, and will beat the hell out of these shady companies like Apple and Google.
I’m looking forward to side loading.
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You seem to have accidentally bought the wrong phone. You were looking for an Android phone, not an iPhone. Android has side loading.

Stop trying to make the rest of the world change so that you don't have to change.
 
CarlJ said:
You seem to have accidentally bought the wrong phone. You were looking for an Android phone, not an iPhone. Android has side loading.

Stop trying to make the rest of the world change so that you don't have to change.
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A toggle doesn’t remove any choice from people that don’t want to sideload. Gonna keep repeating this point till you lot acknowledge the fact that you’re really just trying to punish others for not thinking the way you do. Nobody said it should be open for everyone, and I actually agree that it absolutely shouldn’t be.

toggle on? Sweet, welcome to sideloading, but be wary etc etc

toggle off? Sweet, nothing changes and you can still only get your apps from the App Store walled garden with no threat of hacking or malware

“Noooo I insist that the toggle be OFF at all times for everyone because that’s what I want” 🙄
 
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