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Android has equivalents of all of that. Don't see your point. The comparison seems fair.

Not really. You're comparing Apple and Google products, no longer looking at the iOS vs Android. And so you're off topic. On the other hand you can't just count "vulnerabilities". You have to see how quick they are fixed, how severe they are/were. etc.
 
Apple deniers in full force but as a dev he is right. The only time security becomes an issue with android is with custom roms kernels and radios.

iOS just can't be customized at all. Most stock roms on android are super secure, very similar to iOS.

iOS is designed primarily for the average non Savvy user but that's fine it's a good OS for day to day tasks.

Stupid you are, breed you should not

Dude I seriously don't know where to begin with, I'm the geekiest person I know and I'd never even consider going to android unless Apple goes out of business or google somehow manages to fix, lagg (and please don't argue with me about that, I've owned an S3 and messed around with an S4 and htc one, speaking of "one" the new Xbox is a joke, as I was saying, most if not all android devices lag), stability, security, fragmentation, and the play store which is my biggest issue with android.

So please don't talk about tech savvy people cause thou truly aren't one
 
you cant customize the OS at all and Apple continually works to destroy jailbreaks. You have got to be kidding me if you think this is a customizable OS.

tech savvy individuals generally go after a product that fits their needs then customize it to perfection.

I have owned multiple Android phones, iPhones, windows phones, built PC's. I am the guy everyone I know calls when they have a computer problem. I am an RN, but when there is a computer problem and I'm working, I fix the problem most of the time before IT ever has to get called. Most of the time, it's because they lock me out of the system. Most of the time, I'm the one that has to talk to them because I'm the one that doesn't frustrate them. Now, I don't know how to write drivers or program, but I'm supposing you haven't narrowed your statement down to that since you haven't responded specifically to that.

So here's something that might blow your mind...Just because I CHOOSE to use iPhone doesn't mean I don't have the ability to customize an Android phone. I keep going back to the iPhone because I don't WANT to customize it. Been there done that, it's boring, most of it doesn't save me any time and in fact, wastes it. I find Android to be less polished overall and "YAY!! I can root", doesn't tickle my fancy. (NOTE: have rooted multiple times..without bricking once!) So tech savvy has nothing to do with what you think it does.

And I'll rebut your point above more simply. If a person found a phone that just "fit their needs", they wouldn't HAVE to customize it to perfection. That's the real point, and it has nothing to do with tech savvy-ness AT ALL.

P.S. Apples choices in closing jailbreaking loopholes has nothing to do with my ability as an individual.
 
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Eric Schmidt is in his own Reality Distortion Feild :)

Or is that a ditch...

All I remember is that he worked for Sun, and potentially was part of the reason Sun was failing and was eventually bought out by megalomaniac Oracle.

I have a Sun server. I now have to have a support account, I can't download any updates for firmware, or anything without having a service contract. Seeing his smiling mug causes such interesting feelings of wanting to smack that smile off his face that I just have to drop it and hope like hell that Sun server doesn't need any support. We did buy a contract...

He was also at Novell, after Sun... For a man with such a high degree of wreckage in his wake, I'd probably laugh hard enough to wet my pants...

Android is 'secure', as a freaking screen door! :D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D:D

And platform that permits ancient versions to exist can't by anyone's measure be remotely called 'secure'...
 
Technically he's right.

Android is more secure because it has had to deal with security issues. There are more things beyond simply "buy from the store" for Android users. Google has taken security seriously. When you talk to people about their iDevices on here about an exploit... the response is usually "just buy from the store and you'll be fine".

iOS is an insecure system because it has one layer of defense. Android has multiple.
 
So here's something that might blow your mind...Just because I CHOOSE to use iPhone doesn't mean I don't have the ability to customize an Android phone. I keep going back to the iPhone because I don't WANT to customize it. Been there done that, it's boring, most of it doesn't save me any time and in fact, wastes it. I find Android to be less polished overall and "YAY!! I can root", doesn't tickle my fancy. (NOTE: have rooted multiple times..without bricking once!) So tech savvy has nothing to do with what you think it does.

Exactly...

iPhones 'just work', out of the box. You charge it, turn it on, activate it, and it works. Your contact list doesn't disappear, the next app you download isn't going to trash your phone. You don't need 'protection' from nasty software. You don't have to buy the latest hardware to get the latest operating system... My iPhone 5 is working on iOS 7.

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Technically he's right.

Android is more secure because it has had to deal with security issues. There are more things beyond simply "buy from the store" for Android users. Google has taken security seriously. When you talk to people about their iDevices on here about an exploit... the response is usually "just buy from the store and you'll be fine".

iOS is an insecure system because it has one layer of defense. Android has multiple.

But how many of those layers can be disabled by the user? How many can be gummed up and made useless? How many can be disabled or compromised by either a trojan horse app, or an app that doesn't run well?

Having a lifeguard at the app pool isn't a bad thing...
 
Yes but I would argue that the ability to sideload is a welcome feature, not a flaw. But yes it relies on the users intelligence, which is dangerous.
Freedom is not without its pitfalls.
We'd all be safer under a iron fist dictator in real life (similar to apples approach), for example.


It doesn't rely on a user's intelligence, it relies on a users technical aptitude. These are totally different and a key reason why Android fans miss the point. For instance, I know perfectly intelligent people with higher education degrees with tons of "search bars" on their browsers (in Windows). This means they managed to be tricked into 'side loading' a search bar. I can see this easily being possible with Phones as well. Apple isn't an Iron Fist model, it's a walled garden model. Only those who think the garden is too small tend to think it's oppressive.
 
Technically he's right.

iOS is an insecure system because it has one layer of defense. Android has multiple.


Then how come jailbroken iPhones aren't getting malware either? Sorry, this is totally incorrect what you say.
 
Exactly...

iPhones 'just work', out of the box. You charge it, turn it on, activate it, and it works. Your contact list doesn't disappear, the next app you download isn't going to trash your phone. You don't need 'protection' from nasty software. You don't have to buy the latest hardware to get the latest operating system... My iPhone 5 is working on iOS 7.

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But how many of those layers can be disabled by the user? How many can be gummed up and made useless? How many can be disabled or compromised by either a trojan horse app, or an app that doesn't run well?

Having a lifeguard at the app pool isn't a bad thing...

The fact that that they can be turned off by the user is meaningless. It doesn't make them any less there. As for your Trojan example, or the app that doesn't run well, that ties into the idea of the smart user. Don't download random crap, or crap that looks suspicious, and you'll be fine. I never had a problem with my Xoom, my iPad, and not with my recent tablet.
 
Vulnerabilities have nothing to do with security.

Android is so open once you're in you can do anything you want. The os is very slow to update as you rely on custom roms, it's almost notorious how old the OS's are.

Ios is so restricted there is no room to actually Un-secure anything even if you get in. OS is upto date, on ios7 launch day 50% of internet traffic was the update, this means holes are always closed for most people.

There are 10x the number of android user so who do you think the attacks will be aimed at? Yep android is less secure by a long shot these days.
 

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I have owned multiple Android phones, iPhones, windows phones, built PC's. I am the guy everyone I know calls when they have a computer problem. I am an RN, but when there is a computer problem and I'm working, I fix the problem most of the time before IT ever has to get called. Most of the time, it's because they lock me out of the system. Most of the time, I'm the one that has to talk to them because I'm the one that doesn't frustrate them. Now, I don't know how to write drivers or program, but I'm supposing you haven't narrowed your statement down to that since you haven't responded specifically to that.

So here's something that might blow your mind...Just because I CHOOSE to use iPhone doesn't mean I don't have the ability to customize an Android phone. I keep going back to the iPhone because I don't WANT to customize it. Been there done that, it's boring, most of it doesn't save me any time and in fact, wastes it. I find Android to be less polished overall and "YAY!! I can root", doesn't tickle my fancy. (NOTE: have rooted multiple times..without bricking once!) So tech savvy has nothing to do with what you think it does.

And I'll rebut your point above more simply. If a person found a phone that just "fit their needs", they wouldn't HAVE to customize it to perfection. That's the real point, and it has nothing to do with tech savvy-ness AT ALL.

P.S. Apples choices in closing jailbreaking loopholes has nothing to do with my ability as an individual.

I agree with part of your post in regards to savvy-ness, etc, I was just trying to use very general terms. I would say you're the exception, honestly.
 
Thats not to suggest non technical people aren't compelled to go towards Android either, just I think it has far more to do with personal preference and interests than it does on any technical merit (or the user plain doesn't care). Just because someone is technically capable it doesn't mean they want to tinker with their phones. Likewise I work in IT but I try and avoid being tech support for family or friends if I can because I find that aspect a drag.

Same here. Great post that mirrors my perspective. :apple:

I have a Sun server. I now have to have a support account, I can't download any updates for firmware, or anything without having a service contract. Seeing his smiling mug causes such interesting feelings of wanting to smack that smile off his face that I just have to drop it and hope like hell that Sun server doesn't need any support. We did buy a contract...

Nothing to add, just fun to hear someone talk about Sun - I did quite a bit of work on Sun/Solaris/Java, etc., in the mid-to-late 90s. :cool:
 
Ah, this is Android?

Perhaps you're confusing just one device from a company with a whole operating system.

And I think you're also confused, Schmidt is not a Samsung boss.

I guess you don't see the android on the back of the box? Microsoft lets companies use its software. The only difference is that they have standards. They jet don't let everyone and anyone use their software.
 
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