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Eric Schmidt Says Android is 'More Secure Than The iPhone', Prompting Laughter

PinkyMacGodess said:
Exactly...

iPhones 'just work', out of the box. You charge it, turn it on, activate it, and it works. Your contact list doesn't disappear, the next app you download isn't going to trash your phone. You don't need 'protection' from nasty software. You don't have to buy the latest hardware to get the latest operating system... My iPhone 5 is working on iOS 7.
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I would argue that someone new to the iPhone or iOS has a phone out of the box that "just works" - the same set up required for iOS and the iPhone out of the box is pretty much you'll find in Android.

You charge it, turn it on, activate it and it works.

Not sure what Android phone you've ever used....

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Oletros said:
I guess you don't see the difference between hardware from a company and software from another.

Still waiting where Android has faux wood, leather and stitching.
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It doesn't. Because Android (not any of the skins) is based (right now) on a "holo" theme. Which for lack of better phrase is "spacey" or techy. So there's no wood, leather and stitching because that's "old" looking not futuristic.
 
I really feel like "iPhone vs. Android" is very much like "Mac vs. PC". One is customizable but less stable, and can run on 3rd party devices, the other is more controlled, closed and reserved for high-end but more stable and secure.

You can't ever have it all, no matter what you do, it's a law of physics.
 
Oletros said:
I didn't knew that a phone was Android and that Eric Schmidt is Samsung's boss
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android is an operating system which brings about with it an ecosystem. in that android ecosystem, phones that run android exist. including the galaxy note, with its faux leather, faux stitching and faux wooden boxes.

so yes, 'where' in the android ecosystem - which is largely influenced by google, whose top executive is Eric Schmidt - is there faux___? the note 3.
 
teknikal90 said:
android is an operating system which brings about with it an ecosystem. in that android ecosystem, phones that run android exist. including the galaxy note, with its faux leather, faux stitching and faux wooden boxes.

so yes, 'where' in the android ecosystem - which is largely influenced by google, whose top executive is Eric Schmidt - is there faux___? the note 3.
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Samsung is a manufacturer who puts out their own hardware - not influenced by Google nor does ES have input into the design of the devices or packaging.

I think the point here is you are confusing Samsung with Google. They are two different companies.

If I throw a leather bra made by Company X onto my Honda Accord are you going to tell me that Honda makes leather bras for cars?
 
samcraig said:
Samsung is a manufacturer who puts out their own hardware - not influenced by Google nor does ES have input into the design of the devices or packaging.

I think the point here is you are confusing Samsung with Google. They are two different companies.

If I throw a leather bra made by Company X onto my Honda Accord are you going to tell me that Honda makes leather bras for cars?
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no but thats exactly the point why his comments are laughable.
within the android world there is no control. like how Honda has no control on whether or not you put a bra on your car.
this is in contrast to the iOS world.. where Apple largely does have control.

hence Eric Schmidt's comment that encompasses all of Android is 'faux' - as you and I have established, Eric Schmidt (of Google) has little control in the android world, which, as a result, does have faux leather stitching on the end product, and inevitably vulnerabilities.

you defending Eric Schmidt's word is you going against your word that google has little control over the android ecosystem
 
teknikal90 said:
android is an operating system which brings about with it an ecosystem. in that android ecosystem, phones that run android exist. including the galaxy note, with its faux leather, faux stitching and faux wooden boxes.

so yes, 'where' in the android ecosystem - which is largely influenced by google, whose top executive is Eric Schmidt - is there faux___? the note 3.
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Android is an operating system and the faux leather and faux stitching is HARDWARE and is NOT Android and no, Schmidt is not Samsung boss because is Samsung the one that has faux leather in one HARDWARE device.

And the funny irony is that the one OS that had faux leather, faux stitching and faux wood until this last month was iOS with its skeuomorphism.
 
Oletros said:
Android is an operating system and the faux leather and faux stitching is HARDWARE and is NOT Android and no, Schmidt is not Samsung boss because is Samsung the one that has faux leather in one HARDWARE device.

And the funny irony is that the one OS that had faux leather, faux stitching and faux wood until this last month was iOS with its skeuomorphism.
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see my comment right above your last one
 
stanleywkl said:
Are you saying all those who laugh at the conference were Apple Fan who would defend IOS without adequate knowledge?
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Am I really using language that is so difficult to understand?

The first poster said that Android is as secure as iOS. What that means is that he believes Android to be no less secure than iOS.

The person who replied to him told the the first poster to do some reading about the security of iOS, implying that the first poster was saying Android was more secure than iOS, when no such thing was ever stated or implied.

My post was simply stating the above, albeit in a more concise manner. Thanks for proving my point about Apple fans. In the future, I suggest you spend more than a few seconds skimming posts, looking for anything that could possibly be interpreted as anti-Apple before replying however.
 
samcraig said:
I can't even follow your logic here. Where did I defend ES word as it relates to control?
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sorry that was not meant to be accusatory. it's merely saying if you were to take the position of defending what he is saying.
not meant to be a jab, just a little debate.
 
TheMacBookPro said:
My post was simply stating the above, albeit in a more concise manner. Thanks for proving my point about Apple fans. In the future, I suggest you spend more than a few seconds skimming posts, looking for anything that could possibly be interpreted as anti-Apple before replying however.
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I find it sad that so many see things as black and white. And that every single news story about Apple, Samsung, Google, Microsoft have to be "polarizing" in such a manner as if it's impossible to enjoy using more than just ONE platform across the board.
 
baryon said:
I really feel like "iPhone vs. Android" is very much like "Mac vs. PC". One is customizable but less stable, and can run on 3rd party devices, the other is more controlled, closed and reserved for high-end but more stable and secure.

You can't ever have it all, no matter what you do, it's a law of physics.
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AFAIK OSX still has full sideload / admin capabilities
The logic in this thread would insinuate iOS is more secure than OSX.

Security always comes at the cost of something (performance/capability).
 
Michael Goff said:
The fact that that they can be turned off by the user is meaningless. It doesn't make them any less there. As for your Trojan example, or the app that doesn't run well, that ties into the idea of the smart user. Don't download random crap, or crap that looks suspicious, and you'll be fine. I never had a problem with my Xoom, my iPad, and not with my recent tablet.
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But that requires a certain amount of intelligence on the part of the user. So should Android phones only be sold to 'techy people', because they would know what not to install?

And regarding turning off parts of the security: Software firewalls in the hands of kids become worse than Swiss cheese. They, and many users, will click 'Yes' over and over again to get their website to work, not realizing that they are removing their security brick by brick...
 
samcraig said:
I would argue that someone new to the iPhone or iOS has a phone out of the box that "just works" - the same set up required for iOS and the iPhone out of the box is pretty much you'll find in Android.

You charge it, turn it on, activate it and it works.

Not sure what Android phone you've ever used....
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I apologize, I was referring to the idea of someone having to 'customize' their Android phone. What I was thinking about didn't make it to the keyboard.
 
dBeats said:
It doesn't rely on a user's intelligence, it relies on a users technical aptitude. These are totally different and a key reason why Android fans miss the point. For instance, I know perfectly intelligent people with higher education degrees with tons of "search bars" on their browsers (in Windows). This means they managed to be tricked into 'side loading' a search bar. I can see this easily being possible with Phones as well. Apple isn't an Iron Fist model, it's a walled garden model. Only those who think the garden is too small tend to think it's oppressive.
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You are arguing semantics
intelligence = tech aptitude in computing scenarios
walled garden requires an Iron Fist Ruler

I would argue those are synonyms/requirements/whatever..
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
But that requires a certain amount of intelligence on the part of the user. So should Android phones only be sold to 'techy people', because they would know what not to install?

And regarding turning off parts of the security: Software firewalls in the hands of kids become worse than Swiss cheese. They, and many users, will click 'Yes' over and over again to get their website to work, not realizing that they are removing their security brick by brick...
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It takes a techy to know not to install random crap from random websites or to know that if you see an app with the pic from a completely different app you should stay away? I guess they're lowering the bar for what can be considered techy.
 
baryon said:
I really feel like "iPhone vs. Android" is very much like "Mac vs. PC". One is customizable but less stable, and can run on 3rd party devices, the other is more controlled, closed and reserved for high-end but more stable and secure.

You can't ever have it all, no matter what you do, it's a law of physics.
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True, and there is a group of people that love to run with scissors, and there is a group that don't like the risk.

I like the iPhone because it's stable, it's robust, it's extendible through apps, and I don't have to worry about much about what that app is going to do to my phone. I go back to my experience with a Windows based Palm Treo and how it had all of this 'flexibility' all these 'features' that no one could get to work. PLUS the contact list had a tendency to disappear, both on the phone device, and on the PC I was synching it to. It was a very frustrating experience. It also crashed more often then I thought it should. The device was so capable, and such a great device, people 'loved it'. It made calls, so it wasn't worthless, but I had bought it to allow myself to text other people, and to send and receive email. Neither of which anyone could seem to get to work. It would be like buying a pair of shoes that would only walk on concrete!

The iPhone works... The iPhone works... The iPhone works...

I didn't and don't have to spend time tweaking settings, downloading new themes, worrying that the helpful 'tech' at the cell phone box store isn't going to screw things up for me and make it so things stop working. I don't have to worry about what a downloaded app is going to do to my iPhone.

I guess if I want to spend a lot of time playing with a tech item to 'customize it', and live potentially on the razors edge every time there is an update (IF the brand supports updates) or worry about apps getting into battles on the device, and be concerned about my phone being own3d by some hacker in Korea, and want my contact list to disappear, I'll get an Android. I find, and maybe it's because of the Treo, I find it tedious and a waste of my time to have to spend any amount of time dicking around with a cellphone. To me, it's a tool... When I pick up a hammer, I don't want to think about if it will drive a nail today. I don't want to wonder if the next nail I drive with it will share my contact list with hackers in Vietnam or China. I don't want to have to pay someone else for 'protection software' for the hammer to protect it against bent nails... I don't mind only being able to change the wallpaper or the desktop picture.

Simple is good... But the iPhone can be as complicated as you want it to be...

But to say that the Android OS is 'secure', is bizarre... The chance of being insecure is there far more than on the iPhone...
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
The iPhone works... The iPhone works... The iPhone works...

I didn't and don't have to spend time tweaking settings, downloading new themes, worrying that the helpful 'tech' at the cell phone box store isn't going to screw things up for me and make it so things stop working. I don't have to worry about what a downloaded app is going to do to my iPhone.
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Change iPhone with Nexus 4 and is what my wife, father and brother can say about their experience.
 
Michael Goff said:
It takes a techy to know not to install random crap from random websites or to know that if you see an app with the pic from a completely different app you should stay away? I guess they're lowering the bar for what can be considered techy.
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Ever have a friend or family member 'accidentally' open the 'video attachment' on the 'Kornikova topless' email and lunch their computer? Ever had someone you know have their computer trashed by merely going to a website?
 
PinkyMacGodess said:
The iPhone works... The iPhone works... The iPhone works...

I didn't and don't have to spend time tweaking settings, downloading new themes, worrying that the helpful 'tech' at the cell phone box store isn't going to screw things up for me and make it so things stop working.
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Again you confuse me.

Setting up an Android phone doesn't require tweaking settings any more than an iPhone does. Can you tweak until the cows come home - sure. But it's not remotely a requirement to have a fantastic working phone out of the box.

Riddle me this. If the iPhone just works works works - why are there books on how to use them. Why so many people lined up at the Genius bar and classes at the Apple store on how to set a phone up/use it?

Have you used Android in the least year - or are you living in 2007? I'm asking seriously.
 
And guess who was in that audience...
 

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