Nothing even remotely close to that is being proposed
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EU Accuses Apple's App Store Steering Rules of Violating DMA and Opens Investigation into Developer Fees
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Nothing even remotely close to that is being proposed
They best prepare to meet DMA requirements as there are several other markets drawing up their own DMAs.
Steering policies, valid, go for it.
Fees? I don’t understand how the EU can determine what’s fair here. Are they just looking around at other software subscriptions? Are they asking Apple for a detailed breakdown of what it costs them to operate the App Store? That’s billions of dollars right there.
On a similar note, when are they going after Ferrari for not allowing me to buy certain models unless I already own a Ferrari model that qualifies me (yes, that’s an actual thing)?
Isn’t the (almighty) market itself supposed to sort out what’s a fair price? Who is coercing devs to develop for the App Store in the first place? Oh riiiiiight, they want unfettered access to the pool of money (iOS users) that consistently (according to market research) *actually spend money on apps* making their product commercially viable in the first place.
The EU in this regard can’t seem to solve its chicken and egg problem, but they’re certainly trying to take action on it.
Fees? I don’t understand how the EU can determine what’s fair here. Are they just looking around at other software subscriptions? Are they asking Apple for a detailed breakdown of what it costs them to operate the App Store? That’s billions of dollars right there.
On a similar note, when are they going after Ferrari for not allowing me to buy certain models unless I already own a Ferrari model that qualifies me (yes, that’s an actual thing)?
Isn’t the (almighty) market itself supposed to sort out what’s a fair price? Who is coercing devs to develop for the App Store in the first place? Oh riiiiiight, they want unfettered access to the pool of money (iOS users) that consistently (according to market research) *actually spend money on apps* making their product commercially viable in the first place.
The EU in this regard can’t seem to solve its chicken and egg problem, but they’re certainly trying to take action on it.
I have read it. They have no clue what the DMA actually legislate as many people here who have at most read headlines what the DMA actually does but never read a paragraph of the legal text.
But who knows perhaps I missed that specific part. Can you perhaps point the part where it does force Google to do any of the worse decisions the eu have implemented currently? Or is it just a gut feeling you have.
Which is irrelevant to the iOS market. Just because Apple doesn't I one does not mean that can't or shouldn't in another.
EPIC doesn't charge for UNITY in some markets and has tiered pricing in others. The issue is companies have a right to profit off of their IP; the question will be how. EPIC charges the lesser of 2.5% of monthly gross revenue or a monthly run time fee based on installs; just to use their technology. That is also on top of a much higher developer fee than Apple's; and starts once you pass a million initial engagements and a million in revenue lifetime. Apple requires a million initial installs/year and 10Million Euros in revenue to get charged the CTF. A small developer can make a good living and never pay a CTF, a large one who is profiting off of Apple will.
So to me, EPIC's complaints are a bit disingenuous to say the least.
No doubt, and will probably result in a more fragmented market than we ave today as Apple complies with varying requirements.
If a little genie 🧞♂️ awarded me just one wish every day...
And since you seem to refer to American pricing in your forum posts...
👉 And then, eventually, we'll talk again. About your comparison to grocery stores.
Since both ALDI and LIDL are German (= EU) companies...
And since you seem to refer to American pricing in your forum posts...
- I'll make ALDI and LIDL combined have the same combined market share of the American grocery market (as Apple/Google have for mobile Apps). Like... 95% or 98% of the market?
- I'll make ALDI and LIDL set their pricing to commissions and have them have similar profit margins like Apple
- I'll make ALDI's and LIDL's consumers pay a club membership fee to shop in their stores. Just a couple of hundreds of dollars, renewable every couple of years. As, you know, kind of an entry fee to their ecosystem, to get the freshest produce. Can't just switch to the other store chain overnight for free!
- I'll also make ALDI and LIDL have exclusivity in their contracts with suppliers - American farmers and processed food manufacturers.
- I'll make them prohibit their American suppliers from communicating alternative purchasing options, let alone pricing, on their product packaging. Or through Emails.
- I'll make them pay yearly fees to license to ALDI and LIDL for licensing all the processing and packaging machinery that that they need.
- I'll make ALDI and LIDL review and test all of their their suppliers' products
- and give ALDI and LIDL the power to revoke their suppliers' food safety certificates, which will be required for sales of groceries at their stores (remember... 95%, 98% of the market, or so?).
- ...and issued by ALDI and LIDL. Because who would be more competent in ensuring food safety than these two companies that sell it all? (and after all, doesn't the U.S. have a great record in industrial regulatory self-certification?)
- Such as allowing food manufacturers to advertise other buying options on their web sites
- Or mandating ALDI and LIDL to drop the exclusivity from their contracts to give up exclusivity and allow suppliers to sell directly to consumers or alternative stores.
- "The law is vague and overreach!" 😭
- "They're just going after successful European companies!" 😭
- "It's just a ploy to rake in more taxes, so they can plug their budgetary deficit!" 😭
- "If you don't like ALDI, you can still shop at LIDL. There certainly is competition and no monopoly in sight" 😭
- "Millions of Americans have chosen ALDI (or LIDL) as their convenient one-stop shop for buying groceries. How any why do you dare to take away their choice through regulation!?" 😭
- "Millions of Americans prefer the "walled garden" of safe grocery buying from ALDI or LIDL. How and why do you dare to take away their choice through regulation!?" 😭
- "If anyone could just sell food without grocery chains' testing, think about how unsafe that would make it for Americans! Only ALDI and LIDL can guarantee safe food."
- "German mechanical engineering is world class. Just think about all the investment the Germans have made in developing those packacking and food processing machines. These investments need to be recouped after all!" 😭
- "If the U.S. makes ALDI and LIDL unprofitable... at what point are they just going to withdraw from that market and let them starve themselves?" 🤔
👉 And then, eventually, we'll talk again. About your comparison to grocery stores.
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Aren't the prices higher around the world because the tax is included in the price?
In the USA, price doesn't include taxes and taxes are variable from state to state, and counties and cities sometimes get their own cut.
The DMA says
To my (non-lawyer) eyes, that reads they can't place their products higher on the page than others. As I am sure their lawyers are trying to comply to the least extent possible without going over the line, I am assuming they have good reason to think they had to remove the features that they did.
FWIW this is apparently already negatively impacting not just EU users, but EU hotels. (I'd encourage you to click through to that link - I find it's super interesting and would think others would too, regardless of your views on the DMA - also has before/after screenshots).
Ah yes... and then we would live in heaven-like-utopia of happiness called USA... oh wait xD
If you want to continue using the app store you can continue to do so. No one is trying to take that away from you.
I will never understand the psychology of people who are hell-bent on voting against laws that don’t affect them.
Tesla’s are absolute trash cars. I don’t get why anyone would buy them with steering wheels that fall off and the cybertruck
Just this evening I read this: https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/s/gpK7xDbP9z
EU's market, EU's rules. These countries have spent uber bucks building their market. They get to decide who competes and by what rules. If Apple doesn't like it, they can leave.
If a Big Mac ran third party services and served as a platform to access the digital marketplace you would have a point, but it doesn't, so the comparison doesn't make a lot of sense.
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And, they don't understand that the people in the EU likes such laws and awaits them. The EU is 450 million predicted Apple customers, more than the whole population of the US.
Many things are better by regulations even here in the godless US.
Or they can just stop giving you new features, oh wait ...
Apple should just give away the tens of thousands of API’s they developed for free?
I heard Jay Leno say he doesn’t buy Ferraris for his car collection because of this. He can certainly afford to jump through their hoops but would rather not deal with it.
You may have noticed Apple products are a very long way from free and have huge profit margins
