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What a bunch of nonsense.

Not at all. I see no reason why rent-seeking behavior should be allowed.

If you want a closed platform, develop it yourself and don't distribute it.

If you want to sell ANY computing platform, it should be required to be open, whether it's a phone, a game console, a car, or a toaster. The device owner should be allowed to install ANY software of their choosing, the manufacturer should have no say once a device is sold, and any measures they take to hamper device owner freedom should be banned. If there's a cryptographic key required to install software, that key should be delivered to the device owner with the device, along with any software needed to accomplish software installation.

And the same rules should apply to device rentals, in case some corp decides to play the "we're only renting it" game.
 
Not at all. I see no reason why rent-seeking behavior should be allowed.

If you want a closed platform, develop it yourself and don't distribute it.

If you want to sell ANY computing platform, it should be required to be open, whether it's a phone, a game console, a car, or a toaster. The device owner should be allowed to install ANY software of their choosing, the manufacturer should have no say once a device is sold, and any measures they take to hamper device owner freedom should be banned. If there's a cryptographic key required to install software, that key should be delivered to the device owner with the device, along with any software needed to accomplish software installation.

And the same rules should apply to device rentals, in case some corp decides to play the "we're only renting it" game.
So, if say I have a Ford, I should be able to put an engine out of my Chevrolet in it no issues? Come on…
 
So, if say I have a Ford, I should be able to put an engine out of my Chevrolet in it no issues? Come on…

You mean a thing that has already been done?


Seriously, 2 seconds of googling and I found a LS swapped Ford. Neither Chevy nor Ford can stop it, nor should they be able to.
 
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Article: "Apple’s iPhone/iOS platform is generally classified as a closed ecosystem"
You: "iOS is an open platform"
This, ladies and gentleman, is what is known as quote mining. Quote the part that supports your point, but remove the part that undermines it.

This is a particularly egregious example because the very next word of the quote is “because”, which immediately provides a justification as to the quote mined portion. The justification, which I included in my citation, is clearly not accurate, thus the claim is not accurate.
 
This, ladies and gentleman, is what is known as quote mining. Quote the part that supports your point, but remove the part that undermines it.

This is a particularly egregious example because the very next word of the quote is “because”, which immediately provides a justification as to the quote mined portion. The justification, which I included in my citation, is clearly not accurate, thus the claim is not accurate.


In the context of software and content, iOS is a Closed System as users are restricted to access apps and content at Apple discretion. Unlike for instance the macOs and Internet. Users of these systems, access and supply apps and content at their discretion.

Not long ago, the Internet was in danger not to be an Open System. But regulations came to make sure Internet Service Providers could not impose restrictions on their users regarding access and service to content and services / apps and countries got together to establish a common standard that everyone would enforce. That has proven to be the right formula at many, many, many levels, including security. It became a platform for wealth and progress at an unimaginable scale.

Today's Apple itself is a child of openness as it benefited from it, like everyone else. Paradoxically, they seam to have difficulties to take on the same level of responsibility for it that others have taken. For instance if some businesses had their way when the Internet was being built, it would be Apple paying them to have the ability to connect their devices (revenue share maybe?). Even after the Internet was built, the same kind of companies tried to argue that they should be able shape traffic and their discretion, turning traffic shaping into a business, using the same kind of arguments Apple is using. So again an attempt to close it at the infrastructure level.

Now, it is highly debatable that very large computing platforms of software and devices such as iOS, macOS, Windows, Android and others, supporting simply one Web Browser is an enough take on responsibility when others have to taken on so much more, including having their business models regulated. Some might consider the argument that supporting just the Web Browser while pursuing typical practices of closed systems beside the included Web Browser, at scale, is simply hacking the openness of the Internet by shaping its synergies to their profit through the devices people use. Some, might argue that the effects of such hack are being seen in "miracle" financial results.

The DMA is just set of regulations, demanding that very large scale computing systems, aka Gatekeepers, technically de facto core components of the Internet amongst others, aka Gatekeepers, assume their responsibility in such openness like others have done. It is just a matter of Gatekeepers deciding which approach will give them the most profits in the future. Scale down to the point of not being Gatekeepers or scale ahead as much as they can, sell as much devices and platform licenses for profit as they can and accept sharing the responsibility as other adults in the game have.

Cheers.
 
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If you don't understand what I'm saying, that doesn't make the gun disappear.
I understand what you’re saying. Developers have always had the ability to remove their app or stop developing to the AppStore.
What? Developers could have not developed for iOS. There was that choice of not signing up for dev program. Rules were clear. Nothing would be "changing".
And now more developers can make apps who previously didn’t sign it.
But customers already paid for the app knowing that it was available on the App Store at the time of purchase. Similarly devs knew Apple was going to take 30% and limit where they can distribute iOS apps at the time of signing up for the $99/year dev program
This hasn’t changed. I own the game Tap Tap revenge, but the developers removed it from the store years ago. And developers have fought to have a better deal, nothing wrong with that.
If Epic intended to take Sony's 30%, Sony has every right to ban Epic's games. Same with Microsoft. Not a fantasy.
It is, if Sony did that it would effectively kill their platform with the amount of games that would be removed and make Microsoft win the console market or vice versa.

A game using Unreal Engine isn’t part of epic games, Gears of war is a very popular
No idea what you're saying here. Clarify.
Games that exist in the Epic store also exist on steam, GoG, windows store etc.

Developers aren’t stopped from selling their game on multiple services simultaneously at different prices etc.
 
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I don't think you do. You argue Developers didn't have a choice. they did.

I'm not going to rehash this argument from last week if you still didn't understand the basics. Moving on.
They don't.

Developers (that want to succeed anyway) don't have a choice about whether or not to develop for iOS. I've been developing apps for companies for almost 10 years now and none have ever considered launching Android only. However, many have launched on iOS only, what does that tell you? iOS is where far far more money is and as such no developer that needs to make money is going to want to launch without it.

Edit: As I've said in other threads on this topic, it is a collective action problem, if all devs left iOS at once, yes the money would follow them to Android, but you''re just not going to get that kind of collective action when there are literally millions of independent devs. Hence the need for regulatory relief.
 
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I can’t say if it is or not for them, I don’t work for them. Personally, I laid off 30 people and closed my business in the EU Due to stifling over regulation.
What specific regulation/s wrecked your business model, out of interest?
 
In the context of software and content, iOS is a Closed System as users are restricted to access apps and content at Apple discretion. Unlike for instance the macOs and Internet. Users of these systems, access and supply apps and content at their discretion.

Not long ago, the Internet was in danger not to be an Open System. But regulations came to make sure Internet Service Providers could not impose restrictions on their users regarding access and service to content and services / apps and countries got together to establish a common standard that everyone would enforce. That has proven to be the right formula at many, many, many levels, including security. It became a platform for wealth and progress at an unimaginable scale.

Today's Apple itself is a child of openness as it benefited from it, like everyone else. Paradoxically, they seam to have difficulties to take on the same level of responsibility for it that others have taken. For instance if some businesses had their way when the Internet was being built, it would be Apple paying them to have the ability to connect their devices (revenue share maybe?). Even after the Internet was built, the same kind of companies tried to argue that they should be able shape traffic and their discretion, turning traffic shaping into a business, using the same kind of arguments Apple is using. So again an attempt to close it at the infrastructure level.

Now, it is highly debatable that very large computing platforms of software and devices such as iOS, macOS, Windows, Android and others, supporting simply one Web Browser is an enough take on responsibility when others have to taken on so much more, including having their business models regulated. Some might consider the argument that supporting just the Web Browser while pursuing typical practices of closed systems beside the included Web Browser, at scale, is simply hacking the openness of the Internet by shaping its synergies to their profit through the devices people use. Some, might argue that the effects of such hack are being seen in "miracle" financial results.

The DMA is just set of regulations, demanding that very large scale computing systems, aka Gatekeepers, technically de facto core components of the Internet amongst others, aka Gatekeepers, assume their responsibility in such openness like others have done. It is just a matter of Gatekeepers deciding which approach will give them the most profits in the future. Scale down to the point of not being Gatekeepers or scale ahead as much as they can, sell as much devices and platform licenses for profit as they can and accept sharing the responsibility as other adults in the game have.

Cheers.
So you want mobile device user to go back to pre-iPhone date with horrible user experience and super bad security with mandatory anti-virus software?

iPhone changed that and not asking user any question that user can not understand or can not answer was a big part of that story. iOS basically changed how security boundary was set. Since Apple can control the whole user space it makes optimization with security risk possible at all lower levels. You don't have to secure the private API/kernel call if the only consumer was Apple singed binary. Good luck maintain that kind of security with 3rd party marketplace. Even macOS cannot do this.

DMA is an anti-competitive law that makes no sense and was passed by stupid ppl. Mandating hard-to-answer question to general user is never a good idea. Cookie popup shows that this will never works, and it just makes everyone suffer.

Not having options is a key feature that make iPhone easy to use to a lot of normal user who is not a geek, especially elder ppl. Imaging an avatar with no technology background, if you ask them to choose 2 App Market, he will be confused and try to back out. He will never ever install any app on his phone until someone helped him.

In that case he was granted no choice instead of the single default choice before. The choice was given to whoever helped him.
 
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They don't.

Developers (that want to succeed anyway) don't have a choice about whether or not to develop for iOS. I've been developing apps for companies for almost 10 years now and none have ever considered launching Android only. However, many have launched on iOS only, what does that tell you? iOS is where far far more money is and as such no developer that needs to make money is going to want to launch without it.

Edit: As I've said in other threads on this topic, it is a collective action problem, if all devs left iOS at once, yes the money would follow them to Android, but you''re just not going to get that kind of collective action when there are literally millions of independent devs. Hence the need for regulatory relief.
Same applies to Xbox and Playstation but looks like those are not as "gatekeeper" as Apple according to EU.
This is just attacking Apple and try to get some ransom, happens every day since Apple open the EU market.

And good luck for Tim Sweeney when he realizes his company is also a target for ransom there.
 
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Same applies to Xbox and Playstation but looks like those are not as "gatekeeper" as Apple according to EU.
This is just attacking Apple and try to get some ransom, happens every day since Apple open the EU market.
If you feel this strongly, and are an EU citizen or company, you can contact the commission and raise the issue, you can also, as Spotify did, file suit and hopefully get these companies fined as Apple was for it's anti-steering rules.
 
If you feel this strongly, and are an EU citizen or company, you can contact the commission and raise the issue, you can also, as Spotify did, file suit and hopefully get these companies fined as Apple was for it's anti-steering rules.
I'm not in EU and obviously I'm not believing the system, especially when you are making sense against the system's profit.

They want to fine Apple/Google/Spotify/Microsoft/EPIC and just sitting there eating popcorn for the show. It's super handy when US companies are attacking each other.
 
I don't think you do. You argue Developers didn't have a choice. they did.
I simply strongly disagree with your conclusion as nonsensical and absurd when users voluntarily shackles themselves to the AppStore, they can’t enforce that on developers.

Having a mandatory commissioner who forces you to use his services is the opposite of free market principles.
I'm not going to rehash this argument from last week if you still didn't understand the basics. Moving on.
customers always have the ability to use something else in the store, developers don’t owe anyone the obligation to publish anything in the AppStore if it’s negative for them.

If developers want to sell to iOS users, and iOS users want to purchase goods without Apple acting as the commissioner, then no ther was no choice.
 
Same applies to Xbox and Playstation but looks like those are not as "gatekeeper" as Apple according to EU.
This is just attacking Apple and try to get some ransom, happens every day since Apple open the EU market.
They aren’t gatekeepers because they are nether relevant enough nor dominant in any fashion. Xbox is owned by Microsoft and PlayStation is owned by Sony.

And good luck for Tim Sweeney when he realizes his company is also a target for ransom there.
lol, how to say you don’t know anything about the market situation without saying you don’t know anything…😂
 
I simply strongly disagree with your conclusion as nonsensical and absurd when users voluntarily shackles themselves to the AppStore, they can’t enforce that on developers.

Having a mandatory commissioner who forces you to use his services is the opposite of free market principles.

customers always have the ability to use something else in the store, developers don’t owe anyone the obligation to publish anything in the AppStore if it’s negative for them.

If developers want to sell to iOS users, and iOS users want to purchase goods without Apple acting as the commissioner, then no ther was no choice.
This no choice is the best way for the user. This "no choice" is their choice and this is what makes iPhone popular.
Finally a smart device that enable 3 years old - elders all enjoy without any crazy choice to make.
Forcing iPhone to become pre-2007 is killing the competition and less freedom.

Don't ask end user a question that they have no idea and can never answer. You don't want a user to research on how to use a device first. That's a horrible design and as I said you are leaving user no choice as a result.
 
So you want mobile device user to go back to pre-iPhone date with horrible user experience and super bad security with mandatory anti-virus software?

That is a false dilemma. The rest of the post is just an exploration of it. Which of course can only lead to equally false conclusions and justifications.

You are nevertheless correct in one thing. Such argumentation tactics works well with stupid people. Nice try though.

PS: False dillema
 
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This no choice is the best way for the user. This "no choice" is their choice and this is what makes iPhone popular.
Finally a smart device that enable 3 years old - elders all enjoy without any crazy choice to make.
Forcing iPhone to become pre-2007 is killing the competition and less freedom.
Then Apple should start marketing the iPhone for children instead of adults.

Users can stay with the default option if they choose that, iPhones aren’t in any shape or form becoming pre 2007. It becomes like 2024 macOS.
Don't ask end user a question that they have no idea and can never answer. You don't want a user to research on how to use a device first. That's a horrible design and as I said you are leaving user no choice as a result.
Such as? You are infantilizing adults and isn’t an accepted legal right to harm the market.
 
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