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I can see what you're saying. The up-market iPhone users did help things somewhat!

Softare markets don't mind fragmentation though. The videogame industry didn't become the largest entertainment medium on the planet through one marketplace and chipset.
The video game market is also huge and ridiculously profitable because of the software itself. Could you imagine a bank spending the resources for developing apps for half a dozen different smartphone OS’s. Same thing for smarthome devices? Local parking meter apps?

Even then there’s only three dedicated gaming platforms. Everything else are just general purpose computing devices that happen to support gaming as well.
 
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Wonder if Apple will get tired of the EU BS and just walk away from selling products there. If you want to buy Apple products in the future you'll have to get it through a 3rd party, this would solve a lot of headaches for Apple.
The EU can 1) ban the company from selling the products or, 2) force it to sell off the Appstore, or 3) Stop Apple from selling apps in the EU.

Should the Commission suspect an infringement of the DMA, it can open proceedings to investigate the potential breach. In case of an infringement, the Commission can impose fines of up to 10% of the company's total worldwide turnover, which can go up to 20% in case of repeated infringement. Moreover, in case of systematic infringements, the Commission is also empowered to adopt additional remedies such as obliging a gatekeeper to sell a business or parts of it or banning the gatekeeper from acquisitions of additional services related to the systemic non-compliance.

 
Real bastion of free speech over there in the EU 😂 can’t wait for the Euro fetishists on this forum to explain that rigid speech restrictions by government regulators are freedom, actually.

Bad mouthing other companies has never been allowed, just like you can’t make a claim that cannot be proven. You can’t say „we have the best AppStore“ either unless you can proof it.

It’s easy to say „I was best in maths!“
Well show me your certificate then
 
And the EU has already told Apple will not be allowed to do that on iOS
No, they don't want Apple to force notarization upon developers. Apple has been designated as a gatekeeper, and the whole point of competition law is to make companies like Apple stop gatekeeping.

Just make iOS more like macOS, where users have the final say over whether or not they can install apps.

Maybe if Apple stops behaving like a mobster and starts complying in good faith, they can convince most developers that want to use web distribution or alternative stores to voluntarily notarize their apps.
 
Wonder if Apple will get tired of the EU BS and just walk away from selling products there. If you want to buy Apple products in the future you'll have to get it through a 3rd party, this would solve a lot of headaches for Apple.
As long as Apple accepts app store payments from EU bank accounts, I don’t see how they can escape it.
 
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The letter of the law (aka textualism) has almost never been a way to read or interpret any EU law. Teleological, multil

In EU any law, regulation is legally equal in the 24 different languages it’s written in.

The method of teleological interpretation may be defined as the method of interpretation used by courts, when they interpret legislative provisions in the light of the purpose, values, legal, social and economical goals these provisions aim to achieve.

European national constitutional courts as well as the European Court of Human Rights apply this method.
Nice explanation.
 
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Those who believe that users should continue using the App Store assume that developers will not distribute their applications solely outside the App Store.

I think that's a logical assumption unless one feels the App Store is so bad the developers only used it because they had to. The more likely scenario will have apps being available in the App Store as well as (potentially) other places. Developers aren't going to want to lose out on the traffic the App Store brings in.

Apple also isn't going to want to lose App Store business and therefore this should push them to make it as appealing as possible for users and developers.

All of this will be good for both users and developers.
 
The DMA also states that gatekeepers "shall not engage in any behaviour that undermines effective compliance with the obligations of Articles 5, 6 and 7 regardless of whether that behaviour is of a contractual, commercial or technical nature, or of any other nature, or consists in the use of behavioural techniques or interface design"

The bean counters at Apple have thrown everything they know about strategic thinking and "skating to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been" out of the window, and they're fighting a war they cannot win.
I don’t quite get why Apple don’t solve the problem by
A) making iOS open source
B) restrict apps written on XCode to the Apple App Store only.
Anyone can write an app on their own IDE and get it published.
If you want to make better apps using all of Apple’s classes found in Xcode use the App Store.

This could work as Xcode is not a gatekeeper the iPhone is
 
You think this makes the EU market unprofitable for Apple lmao? Have you seen the prices for hardware over there?

Although currency exchange rate changes (stronger USD/weaker Euro or vice versa) can impact profit levels, the EU market is indeed profitable for Apple. However, a reason the "prices for hardware over there" are high is because of the high VAT (which is included in the published/advertised prices) but Apple doesn't profit from that portion. I think the the average VAT in the EU is around 21% or so.
 

Putting aside that the Mac and iPhone are completely different platforms with different software, different uses, different users, and different business models, the EU has already said Apple can’t require notarization, ie Gatekeeper. So the one big macOS security feature isn’t even allowed on iOS in the EU.

How will Apple keep users safe, then? According to the EU, “ummmmm…competition!”
 
Apple should have just added a way to sideload raw .ipa files in the EU and left it at that. They could have easily locked the option away behind 5 screens of 'Are you sure...?' 'Are you really sure....?' and indicated in plain <local dialect> that upon sideloading a .ipa file Apple would provide you with no after sales support if you borked your iPhone. Heck, run a TV campaign telling users exactly this.

Then they would have a high horse to sit on and say 'we told you so' rather than the desperate attempts at control currently going on.
No disparaging language allowed, so Apple cannot warn by spreading FUD so, that is not an option.

 
Why don’t you use Android? Stop complaining about a private company. Don’t like it, don’t use it.
So you're fine with Apple abusing its power, because users and developers can technically choose to not use Apple products and not develop for them? Apple is not just some random company you can ignore. The iPhone has 1.5 billion users, which gives Apple gatekeeping power and enormous influence over large parts of society.
 
There is nothing stopping you from continuing to solicit apps solely from the App Store if iOS and iPadOS were to be opened up. Many developers on Android have found that their sales suffered when they pulled out of the Play Store and went solo so they just wound up back on the Play Store anyway. You can vote with your wallet and your usage by not using apps that aren't part of the closed system.
Agree. The EU DMA is a field test of Apple’s warnings and we’ll see soon enough whether developers can profit from having their own app stores and whether users are more vulnerable to getting compromised. ****** developers like Epic and Spotify want free access to the billion+ iOS users without paying Apple one thin dime. We’ll see how that goes down too but I’ll bet you my Social Security Deposit both will stay in the App Store as well as having their own sideshows.
 
People can strongly prefer iOS and still not like having a single app store. Why does it always have to be so black and white (if you don't like this particular thing Apple does, go to Android)?
Because if enough people "went Android". Apple would be WAY more likely to get the message and make the changes themselves. In order to gain more users or prevent users from leaving the platform.
Apple is a company, so therefore they are fallible. People choose iOS or macOS for a weighted mixture of preferences.
Yes, as they should. But, they also know what they are getting into by choosing it. No one forced them. They had time to figure it out. Which OS and or system works best for them. We all want things to be 100% exactly the way we want. However, we all don't build these things that we want. We only get to pick of the existing things based on what works best for us. Sometimes is MacOS o iOS. Sometimes is Microsoft, or Android.
 
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