Apple is selling hardware at varying security levels and those levels range from very high to high, with iOS being very high and macOS being high. There ARE folks that want to reduce the security of iOS down to the level of macOS, though.
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There are still iPhone users.
If you bought an iPhone from the EU and brought it with you to the US, it still works.
Do you know how it works???
Because they would still be able to sell other devices.
That is if Apple choose to continue some business in the EU.
I’m sure we would survive without Apple.Apple employing people in the EU doesn’t affect if or how they offer the iPhone and services. If the shareholders direct them to NOT make the changes (because those would eat into the bottom line and would only be valuable in the least profitable region) and just remove the products that would cause fines to be assessed, they could still have employees in the EU, still have retail stores, still have Apple Geniuses that fix products, still sell Macs, and even still sell iOS accessories. Of course, EU developers would not have an EU store to deploy to, but they likely make most of their profits on the North American store, so they can just deploy there.
If the EU asked Apple to hand over the encryption codes to the EU authorities, then, just like with China (if that happened, I don’t have the link), Apple would still do the same. And, again, that’s just another indication at how much further the EU is reaching than China ever did. And, if this reach reduces the value of the investment in the EU region, and shareholders feel their investment would be better spent focusing on the iPhone and the App Store OUTSIDE the EU, then Apple will do what ups shareholder value. Nothing against one region or another, just all about the dollars.
To where can i come to say goodbye and wave a bit?
According to Statcounter, Safari has around 19% share of the global browser market (all platforms) including 24% share of the mobile market.
It is especially favored in the U.S. on mobile where it has 52% share versus Chrome’s 42% share.
Yup, in the end it’s all going to come down to the dollars (or Euros). The regulators are under NO requirement to consider the financial pain their decisions make, it’s down to those affected companies to determine if the region is worth it. Surely companies have restricted or avoided operations in the EU before due to EU regulations, it’s not like it’s going to magically stop now.
Oh there’s no doubt! The EU will be fine, Apple will make less money, but they’ll be fine and the world will keep on spinning.
Ya, I was wondering about this. Will Apple even be able to preinstall iOS/macOS on new devices? Or will all EU hardware have to be sold blank and the user will have to install iOS or Android on their iPhone and macOS or Windows or Linux on their Mac?
Well let’s break that down! Of the 10 security bulletins…
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-1: iOS 15.4 and iPadOS 15.4 (HT213182)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-2: watchOS 8.5 (HT213193)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-3: tvOS 15.4 (HT213186)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-4: macOS Monterey 12.3 (HT213183)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-5: macOS Big Sur 11.6.5 (HT213184)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-6: Security Update 2022-003 Catalina (HT213185)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-7: Xcode 13.3 (HT213189)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-8: Logic Pro X 10.7.3 (HT213190)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-9: GarageBand 10.4.6 (HT213191)
APPLE-SA-2022-03-14-10: iTunes 12.12.3 for Windows (HT213188)
I’m seeing
3 for iOS variants
6 for macOS variants
and
1 for Windows
So, macOS has twice as many bulletins. Yay!
To which address can i ship the hammer, so you can smash your MacBook and restore your security?
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The post said “secure”. There’s no such thing in personal computers. It’s all relative.
macOS is “relatively” more secure than windows. iPhone is relatively far more secure than macOS (because it controls what gets installed and sandboxes apps).
But the idea that the mac is “secure” and therefore there’s no reason for iOS’s walled garden and other security measures is kinda bonkers.
Just thought the OP had no idea what they were talking about….
Yes they are still iPhone users. But pulling Out of EU market means Apple is no longer obligated to provide support for those users, including software and hardware support. EU iPhone now works in US cause both are supported regions and iOS works mostly the same on both regions. After Apple pulls out of EU? Good luck.
Why? Do you really think that politicians do care more about the customers of Apple, Google...etc than the companies themselves?
I’d assume pulling out of EU means stopping doing any sort of business with EU whatsoever.
I don’t see it happening tho, no matter how some US nationalists and anti-globalists think.
I didn't say pull out of the EU market. I said to force EU customers to buy via gray market.
Also, they still need to keep the services running for Mac users.
As long as they keep "annual turnover" in the EU below a certain threshold, they shouldn't be forced to comply with this insanity.
Well, they all forget the agreements that the EU has with the US. This would probably lead to cross continent lawsuits, bank account confiscation and even imprisonment of a few Apple leaders, just like with DieselGate but the other way around.
The cost to implement these will be tiny compared to the loss of revenue if they exit the EU. They aren’t going to just give up one of the biggest markets because of this.
Don’t forget other countries are sooner or later going to do the same, including the US. The EU (Surprisingly) just got there first.
They aren’t going to give up $90 billion of revenue a year over sideloading a few other changes
Just because they are forced to add this into the OS, doesn’t mean it’ll make a massive difference. Most people aren’t going to side load or do much differently. The impact on Apple’s revenue won’t be massive in my opinion.
You smash your objects to restore your security? I must say, it’s an odd practice to me, as to my knowledge, hammers have little to do with security (unless decreasing the security of a house window maybe?). Perhaps this is just one of those cultural differences that I’ll never understand. And, that’s fine.
Not at all. If the ONLY thing that Apple produces that runs afoul of these rules are the iPhone and the iOS App Store, they can simply disable the App Store in the EU, stop selling iPhones in the EU, etc. etc. I mean, It’s likely that the EU will have something to say about the monopoly Apple has on the Mac App Store as well at some point in the future, but that’s not now, so that business is not affected. Plus, there’s still Apple One and other services that could continue as well.
RCS doesn’t require a mobile network. It’s purely data; an instant message - any internet connection will do.
$90 billion in revenue? That’s US numbers. China is second and the EU is third with quite a bit less than $90 billion in revenue.