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EU Consumer Group Summarizes How Apple Fails to Comply With DMA
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EU needs a store, everytime Apple wants to release a new feature they can submit it for review 👍
It's OK to admit Apple has had some anti-competitive and anti-consumer practices. You do not have to defend a trillion dollar corporation all the time.
Don‘t be ridiculous.
What European company would „buy“ a consumer organisation into complaining about inability to delete browsers? Or the Messages app? Let alone have the money, ability and willingness to outspend foreign behemoths like Apple, Alphabet or Meta?
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Apple randomizes the order of the list, and will require users to scroll through the entire thing before making a selection. Apparently the EU is desperate to trick users into selecting third-party browsers.
Specific is good as it gives clarity to what must be done and should result in less whack-a-mole.
I'm of the opinion Apple was moving to USB-C anyway, based on what was happening with other devices and at best the EU rule may have speed up the adoption. Even then, by adjusting release dates Apple could be releasing its first USB-C iPhone several years after they did.
As for the "Apple makes money off of licensing Lightening" given the number of non-licensed products and Apple's purported fee for licensing it, I'd bet Apple spends more in snacks and employee gifts than the get from Lightening licenses.
All Android users. I am in the EU and iOS is in no way better than before the DMA.
Agree, I don't understand why so many people forget that corporations take decisions in their own interests while politicians take decisions in the interest of the people / consumers.
You only need to set a default app once. It’s better than not having a choice.
Echoing what others have said, some of these are super weird. I don’t understand the obsession to delete first party apps. Remove them from the Home Screen and change the default app (which is being implemented). Why is the delete necessary? For example, if you delete the built in messaging app with no alternative, do you just no longer receive SMS at all? Same with the phone app.
Also, why is it such an issue that Apple selects their own defaults when you first set up the device as new? This is how every operating system since forever has worked.
Also, why is it such an issue that Apple selects their own defaults when you first set up the device as new? This is how every operating system since forever has worked.
Apple might be anti-competitive. But they are 1000% NOT anti consumer. The EU is, however, anti consumer.
I am never ever going to install another browser than Safari. I am never ever going to install another Mail client than Mail. I am absolutely never ever going to install another App Store than the App Store, or Apps without using the App Store.
But because of these EU "laws" I can't use Apple AI, iPhone Mirroring and in a few years most apps won't be available in the App Store.
Still, the data would be easy to collect and report anonymously when the election was made. Or simply look at the choices, and assuming each choice spends the same % of time as #1. Given a large enough data set that's a reasonable assumption, and teh analysis should yield some answers to how consumers chose and preferences.
I suspect Apple would not want to collect that data simply becasue if Safari was a large% of the choices people would cry foul.
I'm not sure they really know what they want to do with the DMA.
Yea, I'm not convinced politicians always have the people/consumers best interests at heart.
Or install a 3rd party that doesn't intercommunicate and then wonders why they aren't getting texts.
Edit:Fixed typo
The Phone and Settings app won’t be deletable.
I think you will only be able to delete the Messages app if there is another SMS app installed.
Have you seen the new Photos app in iOS 18? It's not great, genuinely a worse experience than before. I'd love to be able to drop-in a replacement for it, but alas, I am an American.
Presumably, it just wouldn't let you without an alternative present. Just have a popup, "Hey, you need a Phone app before you can delete ours. Open [Default Marketplace]?"
It's really not that complicated.
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Afaik you can‘t delete apps without picking an alternative default app. Apps aiming to take over core functionality like messaging will potentially also need to apply for the entitlement and provide sufficient enough implementations of the core service they‘re trying to take over.
People overestimate these things, your Candy Crush app wont take over SMS texting. Look at how default app options for e.g. mail works.
Choice isn't always a benefit. Protecting me from making my own decision isn't protection and it isn't freedom of choice. I pay Apple to decide, so I don't have to. Just like I pay my doctor to give me advice, not list every possible cause of my symptoms.
Nonsense. All the extra setup screens and settings are certainly changes. And all the extra development time wasted on things neither I nor Apple want affects me. Apps moving to other stores affects me.
Because buying everything from one place is so inconvenient? Because receiving updates for all your apps in one place is crazy talk?
We'll never know what we would have had after the decade that Apple promised for lightning. Could have been USB-C anyway. Could have been something better.
Huh? iMessage still can't communicate "other than with other" Apple devices. RCS adoption had nothing to do with the EU.
Not all big tech companies. Only a few specifically targeted by the EU.
I'm assuming you were not meaning to be sarcastic with this comment.
If only politics (or anything in life) was that easy. There are often good intentions with laws and regulations but some will end up not in the best interests of those who politicians represent. You also have the influence of other corporations (e.g., Spotify) in these regulations. There's no doubt that Spotify and Epic, at least, were lobbying the EU to get some of these changes. It's common sense then to see that some of these regulations serve to help those companies at the expense of others (e.g., Apple). Is that always in the best interest of consumers? Unlikely.
The idea that politicians act only in the best interest of their constituents is naïve. We might hope that’s true, but the reality is there are special interest groups. There will also almost always be some people or entities negatively affected by essentially any regulation. There is also the issue of the fact that we cannot perfectly predict the future and we don’t know what effect specific regulations will have. Maybe something with good intentions turns out to be a disaster. Maybe it turns out to be good. We just don’t know.
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Think you have them reversed there lol.
EU are a bunch of clowns. "Don't follow the law as written .... but you must use the Spirit!!!"
And yet rechargeable batteries for hand-held power and gardening tools have not been standardised in the EU, so if you buy from different brands you get incompatible batteries and incompatible battery chargers. I am generally pro-EU, but the EU seems to be targeting Apple specifically and unfairly. We'll see how the EU reacts to this report.
I don't want 100 screens to pick each app. I want MAX 1 screen to make defaults.
Why can't I, in the EU, play Mario Kart on my PS5? Spotify on my HomePod?
That is a hugely naïve statement. I hope you were being sarcastic.
All people (whether politicians, businessmen, laborers, or unemployed) take decisions in their own interests. At least in a consumer’s interactions with a business, you know the business is trying to take more money from you than they spent to provide the good or service. They are not your agents.
Politicians are your agents, but not exclusively so. They are elected and appointed to represent and enact some views and not opposing views. Thus, they can actively work against your interests as a fundamental requirement of their appointment. Even if you could assume they are supposed to work in the interests of all people, they all are subject to the agency problem, bounded ethicality, and the temptations of corruption.
This is the funniest thing I have ever read, surely you forgot the "/s"?
In a way you are correct! It is in the corporations interest to create a great experience for consumers, which I would argue Apple does very well, except for the 5 people that want illegal game emulator and pr0nz apps. Then come the politicians to break up and fragment that experience at the behest of lobbyists.
You do realize you are being strong-armed by Apple to hate the EU for their regulations by intentionally gatekeeping features in EU to cause outrage right?
Also, you're free to choose what to use, what not to use, what to install and what not to install - as you should. Therefore, everyone else should have this same freedom.