I'm not defending the monopolistic behavior and excessive fees of other companies.Not at all unlike what Sony and Nintendo are doing with their game consoles. What exactly does Nintendo do to deserve a 30% cut of every game sold again?
I'm not defending the monopolistic behavior and excessive fees of other companies.Not at all unlike what Sony and Nintendo are doing with their game consoles. What exactly does Nintendo do to deserve a 30% cut of every game sold again?
Apple can avoid this by pulling out of the corrupt EUApple, seriously whoever it is making these decisions just PLEASE STOP.
Open your App Store, allow different browsers, foster good relations with other developers and competitors, and make this universal worldwide.
Stop the negative news cycle, stop creating enemies who won't develop for your platforms and be the adult in the room. Yes you have to ceed some control but you'll be a lot better for it.
Bob Iger: So Tim, let's discuss this new Vision Pro partnership. We just invested $1.5B in Epic and they will be rolling out Unreal on VisionOS with a portfolio of games. I see Sweeney is on the webex call.
Tim Apple:
Bob Iger: I think you're on mute. We can't hear anything.
Well... taking into account how many people use iPhones... what if Microsoft started to dictate who can and who cannot install apps on Windows? Btw., remember Internet Explorer case?
And in this case Apple's issue was not that Epic's app was not secure. If Epic is "dishonest" to Apple then do not accept their app in the App Store. But allow them to use alternative store which is now an option in the EU.
It's really painful seeing Apple behave like this... In the long term they're absolutely going to lose this battle and it will harm their reputation. Instead of trying to squeeze as much profits as possible out of their monopoly while they still can, they should start acting in good faith and start healing the relationship with developers and regulators. Angering them even further will only make it more likely that bigger changes will be forced upon Apple.Apple, seriously whoever it is making these decisions just PLEASE STOP.
Open your App Store, allow different browsers, foster good relations with other developers and competitors, and make this universal worldwide.
Stop the negative news cycle, stop creating enemies who won't develop for your platforms and be the adult in the room. Yes you have to ceed some control but you'll be a lot better for it.
Oh my God, is this real?Bob Iger: So Tim, let's discuss this new Vision Pro partnership. We just invested $1.5B in Epic and they will be rolling out Unreal on VisionOS with a portfolio of games. I see Sweeney is on the webex call.
Tim Apple:
Bob Iger: I think you're on mute. We can't hear anything.
This again. It's their second largest market. They will not leave.Apple should leave EU market, too many lawsuits, regulations and fines. Germany, Italy and France should use their own phone or export from Spain or Greece.
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Including free viruses.Sideloading like the Mac. Anything for free!
This again. It's their second largest market. They will not leave.
I am not certain the EU wants this responsibility.The latest developments clearly show us that the EC, should be the gatekeeper on the EU.
Apple is moving 25% of all their manufacturing to India by 2026, currently at 10%. China losing hundreds of thousands of manufacturing jobs means recession. They can prop up Chinese phones all they want Apple isn't returning that 25%. They are buttressing up against gap in supply chain by globally redistributing portions of their needs around the globe.Apple sales are falling in China, they should try these shenanigans over there to see how much power they actually hold over regions outside US.
I've been through this on another thread - the executive summary is that it will hurt Apple more than the EU (other than Ireland, perhaps)It is right now, but soon that "second largest market" is going to cost them more than they make here. Which would mean bye bye EU.
No, it will not, lol.It is right now, but soon that "second largest market" is going to cost them more than they make here. Which would mean bye bye EU.
Apple is going to lose this unless they can prove Epic is going to violate the terms of an alternate App Store in the EU. Even John Gruber said Apple pointing to tweets fromHas epic done anything to show that they are genuine in wanting to return to the iOS App Store at all, or were they simply one of the many companies criticising Apple and cheering on the DMA every step of the way?
From what I have seen, Tim Sweeney has basically been acting like a sore loser every step of the way. Maybe I would too if I were in his shoes and my own personal pride took precedence over the financial well-being of my company, but I doubt he has even attempted to reach out to Apple on how to go about getting Fortnite reinstated in the App Store. If he would rather make do with 100% of nothing over 70% of something, then that's on him, I guess.
If Tim Sweeney is waiting for the way when the iOS App Store is forced to open up and allow sideloading to every iPhone user around the world, it's going to be a long time before that happens. Will he even still be CEO then?
Not at all unlike what Sony and Nintendo are doing with their game consoles. What exactly does Nintendo do to deserve a 30% cut of every game sold again?![]()
Suppose Microsoft opens an App Store for its Office suit of apps. Will they be obliged to sell the Apple equivalents? To provide links to free open-source office software?This is getting a bit ridiculous.
Would they do the same probe if a confectionary manufacturer gets delisted from a supermarket chain?
How about Amazon removing a marketplace account due to the owner not adhering to their policies?
This is not related to the fact that Apple not doing enough for alternative marketplaces - EU was right on that one.
Apple simply chooses not to go into business with EPIC on any of their services. It's completely in their right to do so.
EU waving the flag of free market and getting into forcing a business to do business with another business is not OK.
Actually there is little barrier to entry. There is a barrier for adoption among people however. It's not even a barrier actually, just a ridiculously huge challenge. Any small company can fork a version of Android, modify the code to have it's own App Store, go to China and use the supply chain to put together a phone and have a working product in a year at not much cost.Yes, they basically are. Smartphones are a duopoly with huge barriers to entry.
Same as ISPs![]()
Are you arguing that the iPhone is a game console? Has Apple ever referred to iPhone or iPad as a game console?Not at all unlike what Sony and Nintendo are doing with their game consoles. What exactly does Nintendo do to deserve a 30% cut of every game sold again?![]()
Unlikely with the CTF. Imagine Wikipedia, a non-profit, doing that. It would cause an uncontrollable money sink.Suppose Microsoft opens an App Store for its Office suit of apps. Will they be obliged to sell the Apple equivalents? To provide links to free open-source office software?