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EU to Accuse Apple of Unfairly Blocking Third-Party Access to NFC Payment Technology on iPhone
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Because we only have two options and the other one is crap. Duopoly abuse.
Seriously, Android has had the option to install third party apps since the beginning yet the vast majority of regular users stick to the Play Store. Nobody’s forcing you to install non Tim approved apps.
Apple could argue it’s crap precisely because it isn’t as controlled as Apple’s option.
it’s a big step from “I want Apple to do this” and “I want the government to force Apple to do this.”
Is there anything the EU isn't going to try and demonize Apple for? Are they going to accuse them of uncompetitive behavior regarding colors, because people can't their phones in yellow, or brown, or Luke Skywalker's lightsaber Blue. Just let Apple run their business the way they want to run it, and if people and developers don't like it, they can use Android, like most people in the world (using mobile phones) are already doing.
Trust me, they would be back in one day, more powerful than ever. People would massacre whoever would be responsible for Apple leaving EU market. It would be rather beneficial to shareholders in the long run.
God yes, we need security, Apple is the only way... otherwise we would end up with bugs and problems in payment systems in combination with Visa cards like last year when an exploit allowed people to do all sorts of bad stuff. The majority in the world is on Android phones, luckily Samsung Pay + Visa was secure. The system that was affected was that other one... if only I could remember the name... oh wait... it was Apple Pay with Visa cards...
That being said, could you describe how an open API would allow you to steal those precious information?
Are you implying that closed APIs are secure? How do you explain such things as George Hotz live coding session on Twitch to "hack" Apples closed APIs and run code within a few hours after firing up the system for the first time? All he used was https://ghidra-sre.org (+ Vi, some Vi plugins and usual compiler/debugging tools).
No there have been no such complains. Banks complained about the Apple commission fee per transaction. The same reason people complain about the x% cut from app stores (not just Apple).
You are aware that banks still get the information as soon as your account is actually charged, be it directly or via CC, right? The only reason that banks don't want Apple Pay to be closed is the additional cut that Apple gets.
And what happens when the next demand, or the one after that, compromises user privacy in some way in order to “protect the children” or some other emotive rationale? Do we want Apple to squirm then, also? This is the direction the EU are headed and they will stop at nothing so be careful what you wish for ?
That's my plan. But that doesn't change the fact that opening up a system in this way makes it vulnerable.
When Windows was a virus infested piece of junk because just any app could replace system libraries, install boot safe system services, or override system settings without user's consent, that was obviously a bad thing. Closing access helped here.
Arguing that you can keep a vulnerable system secure by just not installing software on it is beside the point.
At first you might frown, but at second thought I think that it is a step forward to have a device that is more compatible. Apple has a long history of incompatibility. One of those is the usability of FLAC audio. It took them a long time before they finally acknowledged that also MAC users could benefit from being able to use that codec.
A while ago the EU came with plans for a directive that would make it possible for WhatsApp users to communicate with the Apple messages app. In other words to make message apps compatible with each other. And before that the EU demanded that Apple products should have a warranty period longer than the year that Apple provides. Apple still makes users outside of Europe pay for their Apple care. While in the EU you have warranty by law.
Being able to install apps from a different source than the Apple App Store seems to open up the gates of hell but let's face it, also in the Apple Store there were mind-blowing un-safe apps from time to time. Just look at China and see how happy Apple is to please the Chinese government and removes things that are against the 'Healthy' Chinese Government View.
A lot of that is understandable from a business point of view, but it is not always in the interest a Mac-user. Making a device more compatible is in my opinion a good thing. And in this case that is what is going on. Making it possible to use your device in more ways IS a good thing.
It is a freedom users get, not an obligation. Now you are forced to use only that what makes Apple happy. And let's be honest Apple's happiness is in large depending on how much profit things will bring. And that is not always in line with what makes users happy.
A while ago the EU came with plans for a directive that would make it possible for WhatsApp users to communicate with the Apple messages app. In other words to make message apps compatible with each other. And before that the EU demanded that Apple products should have a warranty period longer than the year that Apple provides. Apple still makes users outside of Europe pay for their Apple care. While in the EU you have warranty by law.
Being able to install apps from a different source than the Apple App Store seems to open up the gates of hell but let's face it, also in the Apple Store there were mind-blowing un-safe apps from time to time. Just look at China and see how happy Apple is to please the Chinese government and removes things that are against the 'Healthy' Chinese Government View.
A lot of that is understandable from a business point of view, but it is not always in the interest a Mac-user. Making a device more compatible is in my opinion a good thing. And in this case that is what is going on. Making it possible to use your device in more ways IS a good thing.
It is a freedom users get, not an obligation. Now you are forced to use only that what makes Apple happy. And let's be honest Apple's happiness is in large depending on how much profit things will bring. And that is not always in line with what makes users happy.
I just want to be able to install emulators, torrent clients and game streaming Apps on my device. The ends justify the means so I’m onboard with all measures.
So, about as anecdotal as yours then...
Well, Apple could leave the EU, but as you say, it would hurt them massively. And after they left the EU, they'd have to leave the Asian market as well and Australia and South America and at some point Africa and finally Canda and then Apple products would be US exclusive and I seriously doubt with the US alone, Apple wouldn't survive. They have less than 25% of the mobile marketshare as it is.
No, arguing that you can keep a system safe by continuing to do exactly what you’re doing now without requiring others to do so is exactly the point.
Exactly. That was the purpose of my reply. Just because you see a certain amount of Apple devices in your vicinity, you really cannot tell anything about market share or incentive for Apple to keep the market alive or abandon it.
But the original argument was that opening up the system makes it more vulnerable - in general. That I can keep it safe by not using that openness is beside the point.
That‘s fair enough. I’m just putting it out there that the EU will never stop meddling. Sooner or later they’ll get around to weakening encryption, at which point those championing their legislative lust for control will soon change their tune. Just something to think about.
Yes it's true. Nobody force Apple to sell their products in the EU. So if they are so opposed to open up...........
Really sounds like people building a house on the middle of an airport and then complain about the noise.
It isn’t beside the point. Again, it is the point.
Your argument — and Apple’s, really, on this point — is that allowing people to ride motorcycles makes your car less safe. That other people choose other options which aren’t as safe as you believe yours to be doesn’t make you any less safe.
Maybe I'm just a simple person, but how come nothing like this exists in the automobile world for the EU? I mean, you buy a Porsche, it is a Porsche. Porsche isn't required to give you the option to swap in a BMW engine if you want before the sale, or whatever.
Sure, things like consumables (tires, oil, batteries) you can get third party for just as you can a cell phone (chargers, batteries, cases, displays). But by and a large, a Porsche remains a Porsche.
So what is different about a mere....phone (or handheld computer, if you prefer) to a car, or truck?
Sure, things like consumables (tires, oil, batteries) you can get third party for just as you can a cell phone (chargers, batteries, cases, displays). But by and a large, a Porsche remains a Porsche.
So what is different about a mere....phone (or handheld computer, if you prefer) to a car, or truck?
From a security/developer point of view, could you describe such an attack on iOS when Apple is forced to allow side loading and provide open APIs? I mean in detail, not only saying it's not safe and that's why it's bad.
How many of these "virus infested" Windows systems did run their default user as admin vs a restricted user? Any statistics on that available?
What do you think of modern Windows sandbox system to run apps? We even have these in apps these days (on Linux and macOS too), do you see IPC via trust boundaries as not secure? On what level?
Choosing one part doesn’t necessarily mean they’re choosing the other, or that they wouldn’t prefer another option, or that someone else couldn’t do certain parts better. That’s exactly why this is anticompetitive. The things they’re good at shield them from the failures of the things they’re bad at.
You can drive it on petroleum. Not Porsche petroleum only. ? or pay through Porsche app only.