You actually believe this is going to create innovation? I doubt it. Why innovate and possibly become successful with said innovation of a government entity is just going to swoop in and make force you to open it up or break it up? If anything, I think the EU is trying to STIFLE innovation.
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EU to Accuse Apple of Unfairly Blocking Third-Party Access to NFC Payment Technology on iPhone
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Where are the Pull out of X market crowds on Macumors? They seems to be gone.
Of course a vendor could do different parts better. That’s not the same as the government’s requiring its preferences.
I’d prefer sideloading on my iPhone. I’d prefer government not force Apple to provide it.
No, they don’t, Apple needs to stop doing what it’s doing….
So your solution is to turn the Apple option into crap like the other one? The EU is trying to force Apple to have the same options as the "other one" has. If the other one is crap...WHY IN THE **** would you want Apple to make the same choices?!
Well said. I know there isn't a lot of love for Android here but most of the EU requirements that the Apple fans trash here, you find working well on Android. USB-C? I have never had a broken cable in a port and all of my devices are USB-C, even my beard trimmer. And yes, I am only one experience but it's not as though Android forums are swimming in a sea of failed cables. Sideload apps? Works on Android and funnily enough, on Mac. Sure, there are some bad programs out there but that's my risk, not yours. This? Android does it with ease and if there is one thing that ever Apple fan on this channel agrees on, if Android can do it, iOS can do it better
Apple could put some options in privacy security settings or elsewhere to deal with NFC and side loading.
Default: Apps blocked. When install attempted or use of NFC attempted for first time. User is prompted to always allow, allow once or deny.
Ban all option: User can go into Settings. To manually change settings to automatically block all third party access to NFC and side loading. Without user prompt.
Allow all option: User who doesn't care about security. Can change their settings to allow everything automatically without a prompt.
Default: Apps blocked. When install attempted or use of NFC attempted for first time. User is prompted to always allow, allow once or deny.
Ban all option: User can go into Settings. To manually change settings to automatically block all third party access to NFC and side loading. Without user prompt.
Allow all option: User who doesn't care about security. Can change their settings to allow everything automatically without a prompt.
US land of the free? More like land of the walled garden a.k.a. North Korea, where daddy Apple tells them what to do.
Props to the EU for allowing competition, choice, innovation and freedom!
Props to the EU for allowing competition, choice, innovation and freedom!
You can tell that Apple needs to stop by the way buyers are abandoning Apple in droves.
So much irony here. The EU isn't "allowing" it. It's FORCING it. That's not choice OR freedom. It won't help competition or innovation either. Why compete and innovate when you'll just be forced to hand it all over to everyone? Why compete and innovate yourself when you'll just be allowed to take what someone else comes up with?
I will honestly change banks than give up ApplePay.
They tried it here in Australia and they’d try it again. No way am I use banks crappy and clunky apps to scan my card.
Given most banks already do they’d be hard press to drop it and try force their customers on to a worse system.
They tried it here in Australia and they’d try it again. No way am I use banks crappy and clunky apps to scan my card.
Given most banks already do they’d be hard press to drop it and try force their customers on to a worse system.
Who exactly is keeping you from putting a BMW engine into your Porsche or vice versa? https://engineswapdepot.com/?p=17780
And of course manufacturers are bound to certain rules and what they can and can not do. Just look at all the electronics on board and tell me again they can do whatever they want.
Says one of the biggest Apple defenders here ?
EU is only about privacy when it benefits them, either politically or financially. Only you are naive if you think opening up the platform will benefit the privacy of the end user.
Seems like "unfair" these days really just mean "not to my advantage".
Of course companies like PayPal would love to have system access for features like NFC, but that doesn't mean Apple is obligated to provide those to them.
Day by day, the EU's demands grow more and more ridiculous, and it's clear as day that they are really trying to achieve - hobble a select number of US companies in order to give their own homegrown companies a leg up.
First, it's absurd to assert that Apple, a company with less than 30% market share, is somehow deemed a formidable gatekeeper capable of preventing companies like Spotify and Venmo from gaining traction in their respective markets. Especially in light of news like how Spotify actually got a massive subscriber boost from the Joe Rogan debacle.
Second, I maintain that the EU seems more interested in propping up their own local businesses than safeguarding the interests of customers. This is why I am dismayed by the people blatantly cheering on the EU in this regard, and it is my belief that these people will ultimately end up on the wrong side of history on this point.
My belief is that Apple will eventually claim to officially follow the guidelines, while simultaneously making it difficult for users to actually utilise the forced features. The end result is to simply reinforce the status quo. In the long run, I expect this entire legislation to backfire on itself and actually result in less innovation and competition in the EU.
Of course companies like PayPal would love to have system access for features like NFC, but that doesn't mean Apple is obligated to provide those to them.
Day by day, the EU's demands grow more and more ridiculous, and it's clear as day that they are really trying to achieve - hobble a select number of US companies in order to give their own homegrown companies a leg up.
First, it's absurd to assert that Apple, a company with less than 30% market share, is somehow deemed a formidable gatekeeper capable of preventing companies like Spotify and Venmo from gaining traction in their respective markets. Especially in light of news like how Spotify actually got a massive subscriber boost from the Joe Rogan debacle.
Second, I maintain that the EU seems more interested in propping up their own local businesses than safeguarding the interests of customers. This is why I am dismayed by the people blatantly cheering on the EU in this regard, and it is my belief that these people will ultimately end up on the wrong side of history on this point.
My belief is that Apple will eventually claim to officially follow the guidelines, while simultaneously making it difficult for users to actually utilise the forced features. The end result is to simply reinforce the status quo. In the long run, I expect this entire legislation to backfire on itself and actually result in less innovation and competition in the EU.
I’d prefer governments not having to force it either, but Apple is too committed to the security of their profits to do it without some encouragement.
If banks can provide a secure API so can Apple, as simple as that.
More info on Open Banking in the EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_banking#European_Union
More info on Open Banking in the EU: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Open_banking#European_Union
I don’t get how that is so hard to understand to some of these people, they act like they are being forced to install those apps ….
Allowing side-loading/third party app stores is one thing.........opening up the NFC chip though is entirely different and puts much more secure/vital data & information at risk.
The EU can go pound sand on this.
The EU can go pound sand on this.
The market is plenty of encouragement.
Whether it’s a straight up question of profits is debatable. Whatever they lose in these particular changes could be more than offset by additional phone sales (if people really care about what these changes provide). It’s not that black and white.
Yes, the irony. Apple is FORCING their way and the EU is FORCING their way. There is a difference though, when it's the Apple way than a user can't make a choice. When it's the EU way the user can make a choice... go A) with the Apple way by not flipping a switch or B) flip that switch and have it the EU way. Or in other words, Apple is offering feature set A and nothing else and the EU is offering feature set A (same as Apple) and in addition feature set B. So which one do you pick? ?♂️
This is a diagram from the swedish riksbanken that shows Swish the red line is increasing rapidly and the orange line is other pay apps increasing at a slower pace. Swish is used more than cash now. For Apple pay and other services they need to open up their sevices to climb in relevance.
What makes you think that it’s ok in other parts of the world? ?