Except that these legislation doesn't do anything about that. At all. These legislation have only ONE reason to exist. To make the EU a lot of money and power.
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Except that these legislation doesn't do anything about that. At all. These legislation have only ONE reason to exist. To make the EU a lot of money and power.
Do you have any examples? And examples that do not use any of the technology designed by those so called gate-keepers?
The only example I can think of right now is Ladybird (https://ladybird.org/) which is a browser engine currently in pre-alpha development. It's going to take years before that's usable.
30% of iOS app sales due to poor web app support.
People are going to choose what they know. If they don't choose Google for search, they'll change it eventually anyway because every other search engine is absolute ass.
Complete nonsense. These regulations are designed to shield EU citizens from the excesses of big tech and to prevent them from abusing their market power. The EU can’t put Tim Cook in jail if he doesn’t comply, all they can do is fine companies who don’t comply to make sure they do comply.
Except it's not meant to, nor does ANYTHING to protect the consumer. And it's not "all they can do" it's "all they WANT to do". There is a very big difference. The EU has a way to make a lot of legislation that ONLY benifits the EU in their power over citizins, companies and governments in European countries.
A year-long investigation into a browser selection screen. Sounds like a great use of time and money.
Maybe Apple should just let EU users pick iOS or Android when they first set up the phone and be done with it. You want completely open software to do whatever you want? There's your choice.
Maybe Apple should just let EU users pick iOS or Android when they first set up the phone and be done with it. You want completely open software to do whatever you want? There's your choice.
A few years ago, the EU introduced the GDPR, which led to the constant need to manage cookie settings whenever we visit a website. In most cases, we can’t simply select “No” outright—we have to navigate through settings and manually adjust what we allow. Some websites use frustrating tactics, such as listing dozens of vendors (sometimes 50 or more), requiring users to opt out individually.
If the EU genuinely prioritized user privacy, they could have mandated browser companies to include a straightforward “Yes” or “No” button by default.
For example, MacRumors uses at least 95 vendors under the category of “Develop and Maintain” purposes. The site provides three options: “Decline All,” “Save & Close,” and “Accept All.” However, MacRumors has pre-selected “Legitimate Interest” (GDPR 6.1.f), granting access to certain vendors by default. Unless users actively choose to decline all, major companies will still collect their data.
Ultimately, GDPR was designed to give users control over their data, but in practice, it often results in companies obtaining user data with implicit permission—sometimes without them fully realizing it.
So, I don't trust EU politicians at all.
If the EU genuinely prioritized user privacy, they could have mandated browser companies to include a straightforward “Yes” or “No” button by default.
For example, MacRumors uses at least 95 vendors under the category of “Develop and Maintain” purposes. The site provides three options: “Decline All,” “Save & Close,” and “Accept All.” However, MacRumors has pre-selected “Legitimate Interest” (GDPR 6.1.f), granting access to certain vendors by default. Unless users actively choose to decline all, major companies will still collect their data.
Ultimately, GDPR was designed to give users control over their data, but in practice, it often results in companies obtaining user data with implicit permission—sometimes without them fully realizing it.
So, I don't trust EU politicians at all.
The EU is not Russia or China. They’re democratically elected politicians. Of course they’re going to enact legislation that favour EU citizens. What do you expect them to do. The US does the same to protect their companies and citizens.
... like all bureaucratic endeavors things grind slowly away.
I also think the EU should regulate that the opt out should be easy to do. The malicious compliance just show how important your data is to the companies. I painstakingly decline those and for those that do not present me with an easy solution and those that I am not hellbent to access, I will not visit at all.
I agree they made a mistake, the current system is a mess. They should have just banned all tracking cookies to protect user privacy.
So... Apple should be regulated harder by breaking its software monopoly? The EU is also taking care about that. Too little too late but better than nothing.
What is amusing to me is you could always do this, you just had to get off of your butt and select one on your own. I will admit having your choices on one screen is nice. What do you bet that Google/Chrome gets most of the business?
You really think this is an attempt to make money for the EU? Which presupposes that companies will choose not to comply and would prefer to pay the fines? Riiiiiiiight....
Stop laughing and think for like 10 seconds.
People don't know there's an alternative and are mechanically push to use a product. That product becomes a monopoly. There's less competition. Products get worse.
Best example: Google. It was pushed as default search engine with all possible tricks (including paying Apple). Now it's almost unusable (and often actively makes your life worse) for most tasks: only suggest sites with paywalls for news, only suggest fake reviews for products comparisons, only suggest content farms for all the rest. But it's grown so big it's unstoppable.
Will this solve all? Nope, but it'll help competition. Maybe we'll be better off with future stuff. It's also not just about consumers per se but competing companies.
This is the right thing to do in this scenario. Sometimes (all of the times?) it's not necessary for all people to care, you just have to do the freaking right thing
And it's not gonna save lives but... are we gonna ignore all minor issues? In this case, we're talking about big money anyway.
About people being annoyed... who cares. I want that, I have the right to have it, I don't care what lazier people think.
Whatever dude. Seems there is some Incredible delusion there.
That's a matter of opinion but it is what it is. Is uo to the voters to make their wants known.
All this is going to do is push more market share to Chrome, because it's the only browser most users have heard of. So it will literally reduce competition by further entrenching the market leader.
The EU's inability to think through the consequences of their regulations is mind boggling.
Ha no that’s a bit of a jump. I still don’t know whether disallowing third party browser engines on iOS is a good thing or bad thing. Seems to be the very last thing that’s stopping Google from taking over the web completely.
That’s because nobody else was realistically given a chance if the default was always safari on top of google then no wonder it was allowed to become the best