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No, we just have more regulation in the EU and arguably more civil protection than in the US. I think either approach has it advantages and disadvantages but I think the issue here is that the two major smartphone platforms belong to American companies and it’s risky to depend on that - especially in the current political climate where the US and EU aren’t exactly best friends anymore.
Anymore? I don’t think the U.S. and EU were ever super close. The U.S. and some individual European countries were/are - but not the entire EU
 
Honestly, I wish Apple Maps would would work well in my country. It would be a nice alternative to Google Maps. At least in my iOS devices.
 
As for the EU bit. I don't care how, I don't care why, and I don't care who benefits on the business side. I want more openness and choice as an end-user, period...and choice after ther fact, regardless of what phone or ecosystem I choose.

Choice is good, but apply the rules evenly acrss teh board so any company has to provide teh same access, regardless of their market share.

The EU isn’t arguing to expand tracking, just that privacy measures must not be weaponised by dominant platforms.

If weaponizing is the concern, limit a company to getting the same data as any competing service; rather than potentially reducing protections on user data.

Yeah, it would make total sense to drop out of the European market.

Yeah, that's a non-starter, more likely is more bifurcation of iOS as Apple works to protect its profits and not be forced to share things it doesn't want to share.
 
They will probably regulate them so the EU companies have an advantage and the government can have access to everything (see chat control). The EU really wants to be the next China that is their real goal. Its not about the user otherwise they wouldn’t target the privacy of users or going after Apple which has a low market share in Europe. Apple ads is nothing compared to Google ads but they go after it because they want some company who lobbied to have easier access to our data.

This is such nonsense. Where in the EU regulations are they demanding that E2E be stripped away and the governments should have access to private messages?
 
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This is such nonsense. Where in the EU regulations are they demanding that E2E be stripped away and the governments should have access to private messages?

Government access to encrypted data is what is addressed by the Technology Roadmap on Encryption. Thye don't have those laws, yet. In the end, governments (not just the EU) will want access to private encrypted data, and pass laws to force it, in the name of safety.
 
Let’s hope they force Apple to allow things like the calendar app to use Google Maps for locations on things. It’s terrible to not be able to add locations directly from the calendar app since Apple Maps data is so outdated.
Are you under some kind of obligation to use Apple Maps?
 
They push for it almost every year. They want to protect peoples privacy from companies but not from government. They want access to everything. Even ban encryption. They want to be able to scan every massage you send and everything on the cloud because cHiLdReN. They failed now again because Germany said no so they decided to let the companies do it voluntarily but if it doesn’t work they will try again in 3 years. They will do it its just a matter of time. Oh and politicians won’t be effected because there is an exception for them.
How convenient… wow.
 
it never seizes to amaze me that there are actual people out there that believe regulation equals tyranny

The thing about regulation is eventually the regulated figure out how to use it to create barriers to entry and keep competition out.
 
Yes it is so great to not be able to find any place that opened within the past 6 months in the app so you cannot add a calendar event with a restaurant visit, meanwhile it comes up within a day on Google Maps. Great that there’s no proper rating system for businesses within the app so if you are looking for where to go you are out of luck. It’s also great that Apple Maps doesn’t seem to understand the concept of one way streets when navigating with Carplay.

So there’s clearly not enough competition when Apple forces the user to use Maps for certain tasks. If there were enough competition Apple would probably fix their Maps app because this cannot be their best effort.
And exactly how is Apple to improve the Maps data to include a recently opened location? Google runs the largest search and ads platform on the planet with web crawlers working 24/7 to identify and index new sites and businesses. Why do you think Google Maps is able to be updated in a day yet it takes time for Apple to do the same?

As others have mentioned Apple relies on a partnership with Yelp. And Yelp sucks. Perhaps the EU should mandate that Google has to share all their maps data with anyone who wants it (such as Apple?).
 
The thing about regulation is eventually the regulated figure out how to use it to create barriers to entry and keep competition out.
Except in the EU most regulations have one main purpose: to protect consumers. In the US for example, many regulations are designed to protect companies. As an EU citizen I welcome rules that prevent me from being scammed or poisoned. Of course, some regulations are funny or go a bit over the top, like the old rules about the size and curvature of cucumbers, but even those were intended to stop farmers from selling produce that should have been used as animal feed. Most EU consumer protection regulations make sense, and most people are glad to have them.
 
Neither Apple Maps nor Apple Ads satisfy the DMA's definition. There's no chokepoint, no monopolistic control, no forced intermediation, no barriers to switching, no sense in which they are core platform services.

Google Maps dominates 70-85% in Europe depending on country. There is zero cost to switch from Apple Maps to Google Maps (or Waze or HERE or TomTom, or OpenStreetMap, or dozens of other more niche maps). Apple doesn't lock developers into only using the Apple MapKit API. In fact, third party apps overwhelmingly use the Google Maps SDK. It's not marketplace or an intermediary. Treating it as a core platform service is absurd.

Apple Ads are below 2% of the ads shown on iOS in most European markets. It isn't a cross-publisher ad delivery system like Google and Meta. Apple App Tracking transparency limits the amount of targeting Apple can do, limits that Google and Meta don't have. Developers don't have to use Apple Ads, and the numbers show they don't often. Investigating Apple Ads as a gatekeeper requires redefining a gate to include a tiny low-influence ad slot. What's next the Clock App? Emoji Rendering?

The inescapable conclusion is that the EU Commission is corrupt.
IF they don’t do what they did with iMessage and give it a pass. If they regulate it, then, yeah.
 
No, we just have more regulation in the EU and arguably more civil protection than in the US. I think either approach has it advantages and disadvantages but I think the issue here is that the two major smartphone platforms belong to American companies and it’s risky to depend on that - especially in the current political climate where the US and EU aren’t exactly best friends anymore.
I don’t disagree, it is 100% a fact that there’s more regulation in the EU. Those regulations are why all the successful tech companies that used to be in the EU are no longer there. Those companies are, instead, providing jobs and tax revenue to regions that weren’t a part of their founding, but where they were forced to go when the region they were founded in drove them out. There are advantages, but the largest disadvantage caused the current risk where the EU is dependent on US tech. And, the laws they’ve passed recently (driven by someone who no longer even in government!) are just solidifying the place of US designed hardware controlling the tech future of the EU.

What good is having alternate App Stores when a combative government forbids companies from doing business with the EU? “It’s so great that I can use an Alternate App Store on hardware that I can no longer buy! I guess what we should have done was invested in companies in the EU to create hardware and OS’s that don’t depend on the US. And, MOST importantly get the EU regulatory folks to understand that we NEED to keep those companies IN the region.” The first half will never happen in the EU as long as the second half is there waiting to punish success.
 
Don’t see the need for this, I use other map apps already, usually Google or Waze.

That would be if Apple didn’t keep breaking CarPlay connections with their beta iOS versions.
That likely has something to do with the robustness of the car company’s software stack. I’ve read about people having beta issues with CarPlay, but Kia’s wired implementation, for me, has never had any issues with beta CarPlay.
 
I don’t disagree, it is 100% a fact that there’s more regulation in the EU. Those regulations are why all the successful tech companies that used to be in the EU are no longer there. Those companies are, instead, providing jobs and tax revenue to regions that weren’t a part of their founding, but where they were forced to go when the region they were founded in drove them out. There are advantages, but the largest disadvantage caused the current risk where the EU is dependent on US tech. And, the laws they’ve passed recently (driven by someone who no longer even in government!) are just solidifying the place of US designed hardware controlling the tech future of the EU.

What good is having alternate App Stores when a combative government forbids companies from doing business with the EU? “It’s so great that I can use an Alternate App Store on hardware that I can no longer buy! I guess what we should have done was invested in companies in the EU to create hardware and OS’s that don’t depend on the US. And, MOST importantly get the EU regulatory folks to understand that we NEED to keep those companies IN the region.” The first half will never happen in the EU as long as the second half is there waiting to punish success.

which successful tech companies have left the EU and are minting it in the states now? and if they want an unregulated wild west where anything goes and money talks, they are perfectly entitled to move as they please, just as EU is entitled to set conditions for them to operate within its jurisdiction. because when lets-move-fast-and-break-things is allowed, someone has to pick up the pieces, which usually means anyone but those doing the breaking.
 
Except in the EU most regulations have one main purpose: to protect consumers
It’s not what the intent is, but how companies are able to use them to erect barriers to entry sand thus limit competition. That’s not to say regulations are to be avoided, just they don’t always improve the competitiveness of a market; often they do the opposite and raise prices.
 
And exactly how is Apple to improve the Maps data to include a recently opened location? Google runs the largest search and ads platform on the planet with web crawlers working 24/7 to identify and index new sites and businesses. Why do you think Google Maps is able to be updated in a day yet it takes time for Apple to do the same?

As others have mentioned Apple relies on a partnership with Yelp. And Yelp sucks. Perhaps the EU should mandate that Google has to share all their maps data with anyone who wants it (such as Apple?).

Maybe Apple shouldn’t force me to use Apple Maps for certain tasks on iOS if they aren’t willing to spend the money required to make it a viable option? More competition gives us better products by giving the companies more incentives to produce them.
 
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Apple Maps is trash, just like Siri and lots of other Apple services. It took Apple two years and a few dozen reports to correct my street. It took them forever to add bike paths. The restaurant that opened in my building last year is still not listed! So good luck finding any stores or food places. I can't navigate with my 50ccm Vespa scooter because there is no option in Apple Maps to avoid the fast roads I am not allowed to use. There is no point to use Apple Maps besides car navigation.
Apple Maps is trash… that the EU will see fit to regulate? Sounds about right.
 
Except in the EU most regulations have one main purpose: to protect consumers. In the US for example, many regulations are designed to protect companies. As an EU citizen I welcome rules that prevent me from being scammed or poisoned. Of course, some regulations are funny or go a bit over the top, like the old rules about the size and curvature of cucumbers, but even those were intended to stop farmers from selling produce that should have been used as animal feed. Most EU consumer protection regulations make sense, and most people are glad to have them.
Hmm, I feel it is probably more accurate to say that antitrust regulation in the US is aimed at protecting the consumer, while antitrust regulation in the EU is aimed at protecting smaller (local) businesses.

That's why the EU is trying to break open the iOS App Store model, even though it's blatantly clear that eschewing Apple's 15/30% cut is not really going to result in cheaper app prices for consumers. I am fine with it - just be honest.


It's also why Apple is willing to neuter wifi-sync on the Apple Watch in the EU, than make it available to third parties and potentially allowing them to access a user's wifi history (a privacy concern). Either the EU doesn't really fully understand the longer-term implications of their own legislation, or they are willing to close an eye in certain scenarios where it would benefit their own businesses.

And the EU is also considering weakening privacy laws to give their own local businesses a leg up, probably realising how their own over-regulation is starting to kneecap their own industries (something I called out a while back). If you are an entrepreneur looking to open an AI-startup in the EU, good for you. Not sure how its residents will feel about this. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
 
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