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EU Warns Apple About Limiting Speeds of Uncertified USB-C Cables for iPhones

Pupi said:
Lightning is a better designed plug and a better use of hardware real estate.

People seem to forget that Apple was actually one of the designers of USB-C, one of the first pushers of USB-C, and likely the biggest input in the design of USB-C.

In fact, USB-C's design is awfully similar to previous Apple designs like the power port in an older Mac mini. Apple just took it off their design drawer and offered to it the paupers who were struggling with USB-A and micro-USB:

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In any case, the Lightning port continued being the most efficient and robust port for the iPhone. If Apple had updated the standard to support the same speeds and power specifications of USB-C it would completely be the better port, but more expensive and proprietary so basically the same as the iPhone is to Android, same reason why Android (and Windows) will always have more marketshare.
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So finish the point here by writing the magic line that never gets written in all pro-lightning, anti-USBc arguments:

Apple is WRONG for using USBc in all of the other products they offer.​

I pretty much NEVER see that. Instead, apparently, USBc is fine where Apple is already using it and only wrong where it is not used yet. Where are these kinds of cases in the other Apple product threads where USBc IS the port?
 
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I7guy said:
Im sure apple will comply with the letter of the law.
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That’s not gonna be enough, in the E.U., though. You can definitely get a judgement go against you not following the intent of the law.

Crzyrio said:
I don't see anything wrong with a limitation if the device does not have a way to verify it is capable of handling the power.
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USB PD already has that ability, using a chip in the cable.

vegetassj4 said:
So, what if they don't limit the speed at which the data is transferred to the phone, but they limit the access to that data so Apple/iPhone can check that the data from a non-certified cable has not been corrupted?

**cue X-Files sound
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Data transfer speed is t covered by this E.U. legislation.

RalfTheDog said:
Perhaps Apple could agree to an outside standards body that certifies cables. You don't want to be running that much current through a cheep cable. At the same time, I understand why the EU does not want Apple to have a monopoly.
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USB PD already handles all this. No need to invent new standardizations.

RalfTheDog said:
There are lots of USB C cables on the market that can't support that level of charging. If you use them at full current, bad things can happen.
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In that case they are not certified USB C cables.

Pupi said:
Dumb euro bureaucrat ***** don't understand how technology works, news at 11.

"WE WANT ALL USB-C CABLES TO WORK THE SAME"
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He didn’t write that and you’re arguing from ignorance.
 
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TheYayAreaLiving 🎗️ said:
This is what we need.

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I like the idea but aren't some of the complaints about "not being able to use it while charging"? This just kicks the can (albeit a beautiful can) down the road.
 
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I think Apple should just drop the whole MFi certified idea for USB Type C ports and just adopt the following for the iPhone 15 models:

  1. iPhone 15/15 Plus: USB 3.2 1x1 (5 Gbps certified) connection speeds with up to 30 W initial charging rate.
  2. iPhone 15 Pro/15 Pro Max: USB 3.2 2x2 (20 Gbps certified) connection speeds with up to 40 W initial charging rate.
 
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I think the EU looks for opportunities to throw its weight around. They can get their kicks now, but it won’t last forever. As more self sufficient countries leave the EU, it will end up being made up of mostly Eastern European countries. I just don’t see countries like Italy, Spain, and France wanting to continue being ruled by a dictator from the EU.
 
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MacRumors said:
It is worth emphasizing that Apple potentially limiting the functionality of uncertified USB-C cables connected to iPhone 15 models is only a rumor for now, so it remains to be seen whether or not the company actually moves forward with the alleged plans. iPads with USB-C ports do not have an authentication chip for this purpose.
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Gotta love all this misdirection to agitate people rather than anything factual before we even have a product that incorporates this EU request from Apple. Almost want to say "Don't Panic".

Some parties have it right that some people out just want to be mad or complain about everything before anything exists. :eek:
 
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EU devices are becoming better and better.
To sum up the most important things…


EU:
Installing Apps from any sources
High-Speed USB-C
Open-NFC
Alternative Browser Engines
Alternative Stores

US:
App Lock-In
Extra-Slow USB-C
NFC lock-in
Webkit lock-in
Apple AppStore lock-in
 
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Wildkraut said:
EU devices are becoming better and better.
To sum up the most important things…


EU:
Installing Apps from any sources
High-Speed USB-C
Open-NFC
Alternative Browser Engines
Alternative Stores

US:
App Lock-In
Extra-Slow USB-C
NFC lock-in
Webkit lock-in
Apple AppStore lock-in
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Could have just bought an Android any times. For those who like apple the EU is downgrading our experience to android. Worse in almost every way.
 
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Extremely small notation ; Just saying that in the greater context of life ……. the EU has much bigger problems than USB C and Apple. I won’t say specific topics so not to upset readers but they really need to focus on the bigger ”global” issues.
 
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WestonHarvey1 said:
How is that a problem when you can get up to go to the bathroom and come back with 2+ days of charge?
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It's a problem and big one. Are you able to use the Magic Mouse while charging?

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coolfactor said:
But it's not.
  1. Person buys cheap charging cable.
  2. Fire is started.
  3. Person sues phone manufacturer for causing a fire.
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Because you always sue the biggest richest entity that might pay. It would be the EU except govt rarely get the blame so next up is apple.
 
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Mechanically the USB-C connector sucks. I wouldn't want any government micromanaging product design like this. If the EU wants to reduce its carbon and resource footprint, then simply make it illegal for their politicians to use flights rather than buses, trains, or ships, or maybe ban powered super-yachts from being built, repaired, or docked in the EU.
 
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George Bailey said:
We're lucky we don't all have those crappy micro-usb cables. That's what they wanted to mandate before.
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Out of curiosity, is there a new connector type on the horizon that is looking to replace the USB-C form factor any time soon? IIRC when the EU tried this with micro-USB, USB-C was still a few years off and this legislation could have delayed the adoption of USB-C, hard to tell in hindsight. This USB-C legislation can delay the adoption of newer, better connectors, the "stifling innovation" factor, made more relevant if the USB/Thunderbolt world currently has a new connector in mind.
 
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Y E S, hit em, hit em hard and painful. I really have enough of Apples beancounters running the company that still try to lock competition out and users in. Apple should change its mind and simply try to deliver the best user experience, no matter which iPhone model the user owns.
 
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WestonHarvey1 said:
It isn't a real problem though. An overnight charge lasts an entire month, and a 5 minute charge lasts a whole day.
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No, I get it. I'm in your camp and simply throw mine on my iPhone stand at night. I've heard a lot from coworkers who also complain about this, that if they forget to charge they can't use it while charging. 🤷‍♂️
 
it's funny because instead of letting over a billion customers continue to use lightning for 2-3 more years, you're forcing them to throw out good lightning cables and creating tons of CO2 from a billion customers stockpiling USB-C cables much earlier than expected.

take a look at the amount of cables a human uses over their lifetime and EU basically added 3-4 cables to everyone using iPhones that are alive today.
 
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