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Poppycock. If we stage a tournament we'll qualify automatically as hosts, so there. :D ;)

Thats why Mr Brown is looking at England hosting the 2018 World Cup. Either that or its to give us at least one good thing out of his crap reign as PM.
 
Portugal played quite well, including everyone's favourite player, Ronaldo. ;) He was particularly good.
'Quite well' is just about right. I thought they looked a bit lightweight. Turkey seemed to be able to get a decent amount of possession and get the ball to the danger areas with relative ease.
 
Famous last words! ;)

So....tonight's scores?!

For me it's obvious that both France and Italy will win....the question is by how much!

Romania 0 - 2 France

Netherlands 0 - 1 Italy

I wouldn't say it's totally obvious Italy will win. Netherlands is really not too bad and Italy isn't a high scoring team. In a low scoring game, anything can happen. (Heck, they only scored 1 goal on the U.S. in the last World Cup and ended up in a draw)

Here are my guesses. I'm going to go against the common thinking for the Italy game:

Netherlands 1 - 1 Italy
I think Ruud is going to come through for a goal.

Romania 0 - 2 France
France might score 3, but I'll play it safe with a 2-0 victory.

Now I'll probably be waaaay off today. :rolleyes:
 
Christiano Ronaldo is probably my least favorite player in the world.

I guess that's why you put the ;) next to it.

You're right, but I wasn't joking when I said he played very well. ;) I think he's a tw*t, but he's a talented tw*t with great tap-dancing skills. I thought the team played well overall, albeit not perfectly. They did what they had to to win.


France 2 - 0 Romania
Italy 1 - 1 The Netherlands
 
You're right, but I wasn't joking when I said he played very well. ;) I think he's a tw*t, but he's a talented tw*t with great tap-dancing skills. I thought the team played well overall, albeit not perfectly. They did what they had to to win.


France 2 - 0 Romania
Italy 1 - 1 The Netherlands

France 1 - 0 Romania
Italy 2 - 2 The Netherland

Only my guesses, probably sooo wrong :p
 
Well lets see what France does without Henry. Initially I was going to say France 1 - 0 Romania, but to put it nicely, Romania "kind of sucks", and even the surrender-monkeys will be able to pull off a decent win without Henry.
 
As I've only just got home and it's half time (sounds like I didn't miss anything exciting) I'll got for 1-0 to France.

This evening games I'll go... Holland 2 - 2 Italy

hopefully we'll get some decent football soon.
 
Wow... Holland is up 2-0 already... Italy looks stunned.

First goal smells of off side (though I'm not sure since an Italian defender was lying injured behind the goal line, and that will probably rule out the off side).

The second was a pure aesthetic wonder of a counter attack.

And apart from that RvN could easily have gotten a penalty on 0-0, but - weirdly enough - stayed on his feet after the goalie was near him...
 
Wow... Holland is up 2-0 already... Italy looks stunned.

First goal smells of off side (though I'm not sure since an Italian defender was lying injured behind the goal line).

The second was a pure aesthetic wonder of a counter attack.

Off the pitch means that he is not counted. It was pure offside by quite a long way.

Second goal was good.
 
Off the pitch means that he is not counted.
That was my gut instinct, too... but there's a small nagging voice in the back of my head saying something about defenders "running" the pitch still counts as long as the ball is in play, off side-wise...

Edit: OOOhh... RvN misses a 110% chance... excellent save by Buffon...
 
can't quite work out how that was not given off-side. Still, couple of goals from Italy in the second half and I get my first correct prediction.
 
Off the pitch means that he is not counted. It was pure offside by quite a long way.

not true since it's the goal line ... or else the goalie would just need to take one step back and would turn offside 'on' ever time or some would simply drop behind their own goal line
(and the TV experts confirm it)


still even if you leave out that italy can still be lucky that the result is 2:0 .. especially with the chances RvN alone didn't net in (especially the 2nd one .. if he drops at his first one it's a penalty when Buffon hindered him)

hats of for ruud for being fair and not diving on that
 
Portugal due to currenty living there, followed closely by Spain (due to the number of Reds in the team).

Gutting that Ronaldo is in the team, but it won't be as bad once he's a Real player... ;)
 
not true since it's the goal line ... or else the goalie would just need to take one step back and would turn offside 'on' ever time or some would simply drop behind their own goal line
(and the TV experts confirm it)

Well they are wrong. The offside rule states

A player is in an offside position if:
• he is nearer to his opponents’ goal line than both the ball and the
second last opponent

When the player is off the pitch they are not counted as being in the field of play therefore they are not a part of the offside rule.

It then moves the offside line up to the second last opponent.

Also in regards to the point about deliberately stepping off the pitch

If a defending player steps behind his own goal line in order to place
an opponent in an offside position, the referee shall allow play to
continue and caution the defender for deliberately leaving the field
of play without the referee’s permission when the ball is next out of
play.
 
When the player is off the pitch they are not counted as being in the field of play therefore they are not a part of the offside rule.

if it's a player on the offense side that is

Also in regards to the point about deliberately stepping off the pitch

that quote makes the goal legal since the referee can continue the game


not that it does care since later van der vaart was called offside when he clearly wasn't when running on the goal alone... call it preemptive karma ;)

edit: just read that Eugen Stiegel, Referee-Trainer of the german DFB confirmed it towards german press agency DPA
in german:
"Der verteidigende Spieler zählt in diesem Fall mit, als wäre er auf dem Spielfeld"
the defending player counts in this case as well as he would be on the pitch
 
that quote makes the goal legal since the referee can continue the game
i read 'expert' comments suggesting that it's different when it's an injury, like in this case, because the player couldn't come back in.
Maybe fifa will clarify the rule in the next few days.

in any case, the second goal was spectacular

anyway, i guess that, also given france's lucklustre performance, Holland has become favorites to win the group.
 
takao is correct - the goal was correct as the defender off the pitch counted for playing him onside

unsurprisingly the 'experts' on ITV, Townsend and Co., failed to pick up on this... :rolleyes:
 
The quote does not mean the goal was correct, it refers specifically to your point about deliberately stepping off the field of play which was not the case in this game.

If a defending player steps behind his own goal line in order to place
an opponent in an offside position
, the referee shall allow play to
continue and caution the defender for deliberately leaving the fi eld
of play without the referee’s permission when the ball is next out of
play.

Therefore the player is in an offside position when the defender is beyond the goal line, however the judgement is based on intent of the defender, either deliberate or accidental.

In the first instance the referee will allow the play to continue (even though the attacker is technically offside) and book the defender. Goal stands.

In the case of accidental the attacker is in an offside position. Goal disallowed.

This goal was the second such incident as the defender was off the field of play by accident rather than deliberate action.
 
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