Sidebar Sidebar
Become a MacRumors Supporter for $50/year with no ads, ability to filter front page stories, and private forums.

Euro 2008 - (Football) - Who will you support

Who will you support

  • Total voters
    135
This quote suggests that the goal was correct:

(from an advice to referees leaflet on the laws of the game)

A defender who leaves the field during the course of play and does not immediately return must still be considered in determining where the second to last defender is for the purpose of judging which attackers are in an offside position. Such a defender is considered to be on the touch line or goal line
closest to his or her off-field position. A defender who leaves the field with the referee's permission (and who thus requires the referee's permission to return) is not included in determining offside position.
Click to expand...

Doesn't mention anything about deliberate or not. Either way, you'd have thought the so-called expert pundits would have given it some thought...
 
All right! Go Netherlands! I must say I did not expect our team would win with such numbers. I predicted a lousy 1-1.

Forget the first goal, the second one was spectacular. Van Bronckhorst saves a goal, starts a sprint, and assists!

Also props to Van Der Sar for his spectacular save in the second half.

We're going to be in a festive mood tomorrow, at work. :)

--Erwin
 
The Dutch looked rather useful this evening... :D

That was a very enjoyable match. The Dutch were great on the counterattack and Van der Sar was inspired at times. Great stuff – it was like watching the Tigers at times, they were that good. ;)

Now, that first goal – Van Nistelrooy certainly looked to be offside, however I hear that the chairman of the Austrian referees is insisting that Panucci was playing the Dutchman onside according to the laws of the game. Now, it seems to be the case that there's a law to stop players deliberately leaving the pitch to put an opponent in an offside position (which is fair enough), but I do think it's a bit of a stretch to say that this is what the defender was doing in this situation.
 
Jaffa Cake said:
The Dutch looked rather useful this evening... :D

That was a very enjoyable match. The Dutch were great on the counterattack and Van der Sar was inspired at times. Great stuff – it was like watching the Tigers at times, they were that good. ;)

Now, that first goal – Van Nistelrooy certainly looked to be offside, however I hear that the chairman of the Austrian referees is insisting that Panucci was playing the Dutchman onside according to the laws of the game. Now, it seems to be the case that there's a law to stop players deliberately leaving the pitch to put an opponent in an offside position (which is fair enough), but I do think it's a bit of a stretch to say that this is what the defender was doing in this situation.
Click to expand...

i think that in principle the goal should have been disallowed, because he WAS in offside, since the player out wasn't to cause him to be offside.

that's a judgment call from the ref/linesman, and i suppose the linesman couldn't know that the player out was there because of an injury (rather than walking out on purpose), as the collision had occurred in the same play.

certainly if the goal was disallowed, nobody would have complained, and i think Holland would have won anyway.

oh, and congratulation for Hull City, Jaffa
 
Wow! Man it was good to be wrong for a change. :D

Best game of the tournament so far! Let's hope Friday's is just as exhilarating!

....and yeah....offside!

My builders (we're building at the moment) are in a fine mood today after last nights match....the wife of one is currently pregnant and in true Dutch spirit they picked the name of their unborn son last night! Another Giovanni coming to this world...soon! You gotta love fanatics! :D
 
xUKHCx said:
The quote does not mean the goal was correct, it refers specifically to your point about deliberately stepping off the field of play which was not the case in this game.



Therefore the player is in an offside position when the defender is beyond the goal line, however the judgement is based on intent of the defender, either deliberate or accidental.

In the first instance the referee will allow the play to continue (even though the attacker is technically offside) and book the defender. Goal stands.

In the case of accidental the attacker is in an offside position. Goal disallowed.

This goal was the second such incident as the defender was off the field of play by accident rather than deliberate action.
Click to expand...

nowhere it states something about accidental ... also it was buffon who hit the defender ...
also the laws state anything about accidental ... and do you have any evidence to counter the argument that the italien just kept lying there on the floor on purpose ? you know it wouldn't be the first time such a thing happened ;)

don't get me wrong i didn't know the ruling either and said "offside" as well but you know i'm no referee and still think they should add a more clear rule to make such situation more obvious

from all professional referee positions i heard all agree on it being a goal


not that italy totally deserved the result .. they played utter garbage except 15-20 minutes in the second half and for a World Champion that's simply not enough

for today it's gonna be intresting since i suspect it's a very close group .. while spain is the clear favorite on paper they are notoriously bad at tournaments and they left Raul at home which i frankly don't understand
 
takao said:
nowhere it states something about accidental ... also it was buffon who hit the defender ...
also the laws state anything about accidental ... and do you have any evidence to counter the argument that the italien just kept lying there on the floor on purpose ? you know it wouldn't be the first time such a thing happened ;)
Click to expand...

they did clarify the rule.
UEFA said that even if the player is out because of injury it still counts for the offside rule. so that closes it.

Honestly, it seems a needlessly strict interpretation and kind of dum really, but as long as it's clear that that is how those situations are interpreted i don't think anyone will complain much.

Of course if it had happened the other way round we'd have seen an endless barrage of whining and crying from the french and dutch press....;)

in any case the beauty of the second goal alone deserved the dutch the win.

let's see if today the other chronic underachievers (spain) can take heart nad finally get the result they have been missing for so long.

i woudn't mind a spain-holland final (if it's even possible from the bracket)
 
BoyBach said:
It appears that that Dutch goal was onside after all, which leads me to conclude that the law, is indeed, an ass!
Click to expand...

I think the law is correct. It stops the defending team from jumping on and off the pitch in order to gain an advantage.

Imagine a situation where a freekick is played into the box, without the law, players on the defending team could step across the goal line and play the attacking team offside.

You could argue that it should then be up to the ref to decide whether players are leaving the field of play deliberately to gain an advantage. I would argue that the offside rule is already difficult enough for the officials to implement, lets not make it even harder.

I was glad and relieved to read that the officials did indeed make the correct decision.
 
Portugal all the way, mainly because I lived there for a while back in 2001. I'm also a huge fan of the Português league (Benfica Primarily), and it was tough when I came back to the states and couldn't watch the matches. Luckily I became aquatinted with a gentleman who had immigrated from Portugal and he had the Português networks on satellite so I got to see some of the matches when he taped them for me.

Then our local soccer club (Real Salt Lake) traded the star player to Benfica, we normally have a foreign club come and play a friendly every year, hopefully a Benfica match was part of the deal for Freddy Adu!

My favorite players are Simão Sabrosa, Nuno Gomes, Ricardo Quaresma, and Deco. I also like Christiano Ronaldo, but not nearly as much.

I think that if they can stay out of disciplinary trouble (they suffered from some key Red cards during the World Cup '06) they should have as much a chance as any to win it all. Especially with that terrible Italy, France, Netherlands group. Germany in the Semis will be the first real tough match.

I take comfort in knowing that the Portugas made it to 4th place in World Cup '06, beating the Netherlands and England on the way there. It was a tough loss to France, and a drubbing by Germany that kept them from winning it all.

SLC
 
stomer said:
I think the law is correct. It stops the defending team from jumping on and off the pitch in order to gain an advantage...
Click to expand...


I'll never accept that 'goal' as being onside and nobody will ever persuade me otherwise! ( :D ;) )

I stand by my Charles Dickens quote, "the law is a ass"!
 
after yesterdays game it sure looks like spain is up to the task for once actually

from the first games i would say that in all the groups portugal-germany-netherlands-spain looked like the strongest contenders but now on the second round of games

today i'm suspecting another portugal win against the czech republic
and a very interesting switzerland-turkey game which i hope that switzerland is going to win (very close game though)
 
lofight said:
Cze - Por
1 - 3
Sui - Tur
0 - 1
Click to expand...
I've got the today's game for being 2-2 between Portugal and the Czech Rep, but the more I think about it, the more I'm inclined to think that the Czech Rep will win.

I think the Swiss will make home advantage count. Tonight Turkey will be the first team to be eliminated.
 
What is it with this country's love affair with Portugal?

David Moyes, at half-time said: "It'd be a shock if Portugal lost today". WTF!

The Czech Rep (The Czechoslovakian Republic if you're David Pleat) are ranked higher than Portugal, both in the official Fifa rankings and elo ratings. The Czech's finished top of their qualifying group, above tournament favourites Germany whilst Portugal finished below Poland!

The match isn't yet finished, looks so far that the teams are evenly matched (reflected in the score).
 
You must log in or register to reply here.
Register on MacRumors! This sidebar will go away, and you'll see fewer ads.
Top Bottom
Back