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European Commission Joins Investigation of Apple's Flash Exclusion Policies
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it wont do them any good, apple can just say jailbreaking is legal have fun. But apple doesn't need to change because its apples product if the EU wants to build its own operating system they are more then welcome to. Apple would probably cut its production out of Europe if they tried that.
Not even close. If there are 10 well stocked grocery stores in your town, then the store that sells the most, even 90%, of all groceries doesn't own 90% of the market. For a monopoly, it would have to buy out most or all of the competing stores.
I don't see Apple buying out Nokia, RIM, or Samsung anytime soon. Which leaves Apple with a small share of the market (but a huge portion of the sales).
disability advocacy groups
If Adobe Flash fully compliant with all EU disabled accessibility requirements?
If not, Apple could just brib^H^H^Hhave the EU commission force Adobe to do that first (which won't be finished any time soon) before being required to consider adding anything to iOS.
Both iOS and Android have a lot of accessibility features already built-in.
If Adobe Flash fully compliant with all EU disabled accessibility requirements?
If not, Apple could just brib^H^H^Hhave the EU commission force Adobe to do that first (which won't be finished any time soon) before being required to consider adding anything to iOS.
Both iOS and Android have a lot of accessibility features already built-in.
Despite your protests, I actually did. It's all BS. He fired up Safari on his PC, probably with ClickToFlash, and assumed that was the entire experience -- completely ignoring how these sites use user agent strings for browser identification. Then he got his list out without knowing what he was talking about. He doesn't seem to even own an iPhone or iPad.
Let's recap, point by point.
He kicks it off saying that there will always be animated ads, which leads me to believe he probably is a developer of animated Flash ads:
So he is probably a Flash developer (if you call that "development") who maybe sees that his career could be in jeopardy if Flash went the way of the dinosaur. He might actually have to learn a real programming language, something more involved than manipulating images on a timeline.
So he gathers a list -- probably didn't do it himself, it likely came from some pro-Flash astroturf blog -- of an industry site he may or may not have any familiarity with. But he specifically picked on musicians (probably sounded good to him, you know, creative types and Macs and blah, blah, blah...) which is a topic I like to think I have some familiarity with:
Now he's primed, he's ready, he has Safari on his PC, and he fires up the diatribe:
Aaaaaaaaaaand, they're off:
Except the site is completely navigable from an iPhone or iPad. Maybe Anuba doesn't realize the Akai webserver sends different landing pages to different types of devices, but there is a complete HTML-based interface that is available from my iPhone.
Also completely navigable from an iPhone or iPad.
Products, support, etc. At this point, I can either conclude Anuba doesn't own an iOS device and he's completely judging this from Safari on his PC or else he's flat out being deceptive.
WHAT giant Flash hole? Does this guy really not own an iPhone?
It's all there; Media Composer, ProTools, Venue, Interplay, Pinnacle, even M-Audio. Hard to find info on the Eleven Rack unless you know where to look, but that's also true for the Flash-based version of the site, now isn't it. Oh, wait, he's not really a musician, he just plays one on the Intarwebz. You'll have to trust me on this one then...
FINALLY! One of his sites actually has the blue lego where the Flash-trash is supposed to go!
Except... DAMN! That's just one animated graphic or art shot placeholder that's part of a fancy landing page, the rest of Korg.com is 100% navigable from my iPhone. HTML and Javascript menus, the works. Nothing is off limits to me. I can look up anything; guitar effects, keyboards, etc.
Same as Korg. Completely navigable on an iPhone but the landing page does have one blue lego where the animated graphic or art shot should sit. But below that are animated GIF images that scroll through their offerings, which I can see on my iPhone. I readily admit, I'm not really a rap/dj/trace type of musician so not much of what they sell would be of interest to me, but the controller surfaces are there for guys that play that stuff.
Showing my age now, but other than a few misc. volume-type pedals, the last two Yamaha products I owned were an RA-200 and a CP-70B. Both yamahasynth.com and the regular Yamaha websites have the now-familiar blue lego where an animated graphic goes, but again I was able to navigate the entire site and look up that they are rolling out yet-another-round of stage pianos that aren't simultaneously lightweight and stackable. I missed the pretty image they hired a Flash developer to put on the landing page.
Off on a slight tangent, but YamahaSynth.com? Seriously? Like the world needs one more buzzy DX-7 type sound from '80s pop? Even VH's "Jump" didn't finally and permanently cure people of that?
But... There is no Flash rectangle at Roland.com on my iPhone.
There is a young girl playing -- I am NOT making this up!!! -- a freakin' keytar
, which should've gone the way of the DX-7 noises from the '80s (see above). Shudders...Yeah, I know how repetitive this all is by this point, but...
I get a small line of text telling me where I can download Flash from, but I get complete access to Steinberg.net on my iPhone. All the news about the CI1 and CI2+ (which are now shipping if I were so inclined) as well as Cubase, info on VST plug-ins, and the like.
FINALLY! I can get to the Online Shop, Support, Community & Forum, Company, and Store Locator with my iPhone. But not their Home and Product sections. So you get your first half-point on this one.
Note that they do give their LA contact info and phone number. I think I'll call them in the morning and ask them why I can't buy the B4 software they've discontinued.
(Not that I'm really into software instruments.)Awww, and you were almost on a roll there. Sorry, Ableton.com is completely iPhone friendly.
You know the drill. No animated Flash "art shot" in the middle of the landing page; but the products, store, news, community, support, all work just fine.
My band relies on our drummer, he is not capable of being replaced with a frackin' drum machine. But playing along with your obviously flawed thesis... On my iPhone there is a background where I assume a Flash "art shot" animated graphic would go, but the entire site is navigable. Though if you are partial to programmable drum noises we probably have other major differences of opinion.
But let's not let a little search with the PC version of Safari and ClickToFlash get in the way of the facts about what your astroturf-picked list of ZOMG! musician sites that don't function without Flash are mostly missing a single animated marketing graphic or art shot.
Again, the choice is that I can't make any music if I don't have Flash on my browser? Are you freakin' kidding?!? We have point-to-point handwired amplifiers but Anuba thinks we need a web browser to be all (what he refers to as) "Billboard and platinum records"? I don't think Anuba is a musician, I don't think he even knows any musicians...
One music hardware site was missing
Brilliant post John.B
But the original post forget to add a link to Apogee Digital (my brother works there) no Flash on that site that I could see - http://apogeedigital.com/
Also Smokescreen looks very promising, thanks for the link.
Brilliant post John.B
But the original post forget to add a link to Apogee Digital (my brother works there) no Flash on that site that I could see - http://apogeedigital.com/
Also Smokescreen looks very promising, thanks for the link.
I will never ever go back to IE. The worst browser on the planet.
With regards to the flash, yes we in EU can ban iPhone, but do some understand what will happen? All iPhone users will suffer haha... but having option to switch ON or OFF flash will be good.
This is funny. You'd rather have a Flash implementation written in Javascript running interpreted inside your browser than native code compiled and optimized for the platform ?
Smokescreen is a stop gap measure.
If you buy a device, whether its a laptop, phone, or desktop, once you buy it it's YOURS! Apple should have no say in what software you are allowed to install on it. If you want to go and download adobe flash, then you should be allowed to. But Crapple has locked their iOS down so you can only get software (apps) through their store and they are more strict than nazis when it comes to what they allow and dont allow.
But what I dont understand is why doesnt adobe just create a download and release it through Cydia? Couldnt they do this the same way they do on Android? You can go to the marketplace and download Flash 10.1 as a separate application and install it.
Flash may be crap on iOS and it may be a battery hog but damnit Steve let us consumers decide what we put on OUR devices. If its as bad as you say it is, then we'll all try it and not like it, then delete it.
But its not about user choice or protecting users from "poor" software, its about not letting us go play online flash games or go online and watch flash videos for free, he wants to force us to get all content from the itunes store. Plain and simple its a greed decision.
Steve Jobs and Apple are now more greedy and evil than M$ ever was.
Edit: I do, however, support the ban of flash-to-iphone compiled crap. Applications should be created in the native iPhone SDK, thus giving end users the best possible product. But, there again, free market principles should be allowed to play out. If flash-to-iphone compiled apps really would be slower and more battery intensive than native SDK developed apps, people would stop buying them and demand native SDK apps.
But what I dont understand is why doesnt adobe just create a download and release it through Cydia? Couldnt they do this the same way they do on Android? You can go to the marketplace and download Flash 10.1 as a separate application and install it.
Flash may be crap on iOS and it may be a battery hog but damnit Steve let us consumers decide what we put on OUR devices. If its as bad as you say it is, then we'll all try it and not like it, then delete it.
But its not about user choice or protecting users from "poor" software, its about not letting us go play online flash games or go online and watch flash videos for free, he wants to force us to get all content from the itunes store. Plain and simple its a greed decision.
Steve Jobs and Apple are now more greedy and evil than M$ ever was.
Edit: I do, however, support the ban of flash-to-iphone compiled crap. Applications should be created in the native iPhone SDK, thus giving end users the best possible product. But, there again, free market principles should be allowed to play out. If flash-to-iphone compiled apps really would be slower and more battery intensive than native SDK developed apps, people would stop buying them and demand native SDK apps.
You're such a fanboy. Get steve jobs's you-know-what out of your mouth. How in the world can you actually say it's apple's right to decide what software I run on MY device?? Pardon me, but I think I'm the one that forked out $599 for my iphone, not Apple or Steve Jobs. Once its mine, I can run anything I want to on it, as long as it doesnt violate any copyright laws or doesnt change the device so it then violates any FCC regulations.
Geez you're such a blind fanboy. Hey, I heard steve jobs took a dump in a box and marked it iPoop. How long are you going to wait in line to buy it?
You're so wrong. The EU is continually fighting and winning against M$, they will beat Crapple too. The regulators in the EU dont give a crap about corporations, they are all about the people (which might be why they have 20% unemployment, but thats another discussion).
You might be correct, HTML5 is where stuff may be heading, but who knows for sure. There's not even an official HTML5 standard yet. And it'll take years after that for HTML5 to saturate the internet. What about the 90% of websites that use Flash now? Who wants to wait 3 years? By then we'll all be on iphone 7's.
Good. Apple is wrong to ban one of the most widely used and accepted technology on the web TODAY.
If you don't like Flash, you can uninstall it. But why not have the freedom to choose?!
Simple...Steve Jobs is a greedy bastard and doesnt give a darn about the loyal consumers. If he can't find a way to monetize it, you're not getting it.
With Flash, people could go play flash games for free. They could watch TV reruns for free. He wants to force you to have to buy your content from him and his iTunes store. Simple as that.
I don't think you understood what he meant by "reading" my post. Every time you try to go back and interpret it, it gets worse.
It was a humorous look at the crippled web experience resulting from the absence of Flash. Rather than pick up the tongue-in-cheek gist of the post, you take it literally, break it down and try to refute it point-by-point(!), as if I literally meant that musicians would be completely paralyzed and unable to browse and buy gear if the interwebz was broken. Are you for real?
Tin foil hat on... aww, you got "PC" in there too (double tin foil hat on).
50% right there, but you're absolutely correct I didn't bother to check how the sites looked on the iPhone or if there was any redirection happening.
This is probably your strangest conclusion right there, Sherlock P. Asperger. So when someone says "there will always be terrorists", you conclude that he must be Al-Qaeda and call the FBI?
Yes, there will always be animated ads, because ads are made by people, not Flash. Do you agree that A) people and B) the internet will be around long after Flash has gone? Good, then you know why ad banners with bouncing balls will always be around, whether in GIF, Flash, HTML5 or some as-yet-unknown future format. You don't need to be a "developer" to conclude something which a soccer mom with half a brain could deduce.
Yes, I gathered a list from my Safari bookmarks, but thanks for playing.
Um... what the hell does the DX7 (lose the hyphen, that's Roland nomenclature) have to do with yamahasynth.com or Jump? Yamahasynth.com is the portal for all of Yamaha's digital gadgets such as the mixing desks that integrate with Cubase, MIDI controller keyboards etc. And if you identify the opening riff on "Jump" as a DX7, you need a crash course in synthesis. The DX7 was a thin and stingy FM synth. The Jump intro features a flabby analog brass sound which almost certainly came from an Oberheim OB-X, or possibly a Roland Jupiter 8. FM synthesis has seen a massive boost in popularity in the 2000's, mostly in weird bitcrushed electronica (think Autechre).
You're probably just out of the loop and too old to realize that keytars are back in. Roland is selling those like crazy again, one of the more prominent endorsees is Imogen Heap, who often uses keytars live. Immi is not a dork stuck in the 80's (she must've been about 2-3 years old when keytars were happening the first time).There is a young girl playing -- I am NOT making this up!!! -- a freakin' keytar
Sherlock strikes again! So, in summary: I'm on a "Windoze peecee" and never actually touched an iPhone or a Mac in real life, I'm an astroturfing pro-Flash "ad developer", and I'm most certainly not a musician nor do I know any. Correct?
Now for your final score in the sleuth wannabe olympics: Here's a couple of pictures of where I'm sitting right now. I left a note for you on the top shelf on the desk with the iMac.
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I'm going to have to call you a flat out liar on this one. Watching a 720p flash video on a windows machine registers only roughly a 15% CPU utilization.
Apple isn't stopping you from running Flash on the iPhone. They just aren't providing an easy way for you to do it. That's quite a persecution complex.
Thanks for doing that John. I thought that whole scenario was a little contrived and far-fetched. I checked a few of those sites and lo and behold they are all just as you described; most of them do indeed know I'm browsing from an iPhone and give me appropriate content. Anuba, maybe web-designers are a little smarter than you give them credit for. Contrary to what you and others think (and Adobe would like us to think!), the web world does not revolve around Flash.
Boy, I'd like to meet the practicing musician that only buys musical hardware and software from an iPhone. Don't they like to "try before they buy?"
Ikea and Macs do go well together for some reason.
This is actually just a temp setup, I'm moving in a couple of weeks but I had to leave a makeshift project studio up and running. Wimpy speakers (Genelec always sounds good, but the 8020's have zero bass response) and no soundproofing makes for terrible monitoring.Notice how I went for matching white control surfaces? That's how superficial I am. There are much better keyboards than the Axiom Pro, but they're not white.
Typically, Mac Flash performance has lagged behind Flash on Windows. It is improving greatly, but still they aren't quite equal.
I suspect many of the stability issues might be performance/heat related too. My (4+ year old) laptop couldn't play many youtube videos without crashing; but since I bought a cooling pad, it's far more reliable.
I've also noticed different bugs arise on either platform. I'm not sure if the Mac version is worse, but being mostly a Mac user I obviously see more of the Mac issues.
I think we all get that you were trying to humorously illustrate that browsing Flash based sites on the iPhone would be frustrating and ridiculous. What you failed to take into account was that the iPhone can browse your example sites just fine for the most part. Why? Because web designers are doing their jobs correctly. Your whole rant was flawed from the get-go!
This is why most of us say that the lack of Flash on iOS is really a non-issue. Most websites detect your platform and feed you the appropriate content. There are fewer and fewer websites that rely solely on Flash without alternate content. Therefore, we don't really miss much content on the iPhone and what we do miss, we can always browse on our computers.
A bit OT, but the figures I've seen for the US & EU are identical, 9.6% unemployment. A bit surprising, as I thought the EU was hit worse by the recession... </off topic tangent...>
What you're seeing is the result of various Flash-less handheld mobile devices (including the iPhone) having been around for a few years, which has led some sites to offer a fallback HTML site (if they didn't have one already). But far from everyone has bothered to do that, and once Flash is up and running on all popular smartphone platforms except IOS they'll have less incentive to leave Flash behind than they have today.
I never missed Flash on the iPhone, since the small screen cripples the surfing experience to the point where the absence of Flash is the least of my problems. But it's another story on the iPad where you have a large-ish screen smack up against your face. Did you fail to notice that there was very little concern about the absence of Flash on the iPhone, but when the iPad was released this spring there was a big brouhaha about it?