General Evasi0n team speaks

[TriJetHero]

Evasi0n team speaks

@MacDevil7334

They rushed because someone else was pushing for another Jailbreak using the same exploits AND 1 they intend to use for 7.1
You don't know if they burned all their exploits.

They should have indicated at release the chinese connection.

Evasi0n does NOT contact a foreign ip address, the evad3rs said no data in evasi0n is tranfered, only the Taig app, which only relays the same info as Cydia.

Almost ALL jailbreaks require remote files, which can be controlled, nothing new.

Via Cydia you can get pirated tweaks as well, so nothing new either.

With SHAtter it was also a race and Geohot won with limera1n which give a big row, nothing new.

Most developers are already actively updating apps and seeking contact with the evad3rs, Saurik and Rpetrich being the foremost.

Jailbreaking is still as save as it was.

I do think the chinese connection was a mistake, but it will turn out ok in the end.

Meanwhile a bit more faith and accuracy on your facts would be nice...

 

[boshii]

Yes, for 7.0.4 or below. But what if Apple manages to patch the exploits on 7.1? From what I hear, 7.1 will likely have stability and feature enhancements that I want. If Apple does patch the exploits, I will have to choose between jailbreak or 7.1 features. I just wish they had waited until after 7.1 to release the jailbreak. It seems to me that they picked the chance to make money over giving users flexibility. Sure, you could say they don't owe the users anything, and a jailbreak that potentially leaves JB devices stuck at an earlier version is better than no jailbreak at all...

Or maybe Apple won't patch the exploits, and this whole discussion will be moot. We can always hope!

The rumor is that 7.1 isn't coming until March anyway.

I'm sure everybody would rather have a jailbreak now than wait 3 more months. March is halfway through the 5S life cycle.

 

[BHP41]

Let me see if I can spell out for you the reasons why people are (rightly) upset about this.

• The evaders rushed out the jailbreak without consulting anyone in the jailbreak community who might need a heads up (like saurik or any of the other jb developers). It sounds like they may have been trying to beat geohot to the punch, but the reason doesn't really matter. By rushing it out, they ensured that nothing would be working properly at the start (including Cydia!?). What's more, they completely screwed any chance of jailbreaking 7.1 by disclosing all their exploits now.
• The evaders did not in any way disclose that they had "partnered" with a Chinese company to push a "special" app store for Chinese users when they released the jailbreak. Since the release, a whole bunch of accusations have flown around. But, we do know a few things:
  1. The jailbreak code is highly obfuscated, making analysis of what the jailbreak tool actually does difficult.
  2. The jailbreak tool contacts a questionable foreign IP address during the jailbreak process. We don't know what information is being transferred due to the code being obfuscated.
  3. The evaders have the capability to remotely alter the way the jailbreak tool operates. They decided to remotely disable the installation of Taig after people noticed the piracy. What else can they cause the evasi0n tool to do remotely?
  4. The Taig app store not only has pirated versions of AppStore apps, but also pirated versions of jailbreak apps. Quite the slap in the face to the rest of the jb community. Honestly, I don't see how the evad3rs could not have known about the piracy issue before the jb was released. Their claims of ignorance ring utterly false to me.
• Though we don't know for how much, it seems pretty clear that the evad3rs sold out the jailbreak to a Chinese company with a history of piracy for an undisclosed amount of money. While this does mean we all got a free jailbreak and we got it sooner than expected, this decision came with several negative (and potentially community altering consequences):
  1. Jailbreaks can no longer be considered safe, even when they come known developers. We now no longer know what deals they might have made behind closed doors. To be clear, I don't have any problem with developers getting paid for their work. I do have a problem with them partnering with a sketchy Chinese company that pirates the work of their fellow developers and not saying a word to anyone.
  2. Jailbreaking will now become an arms race with developers rushing to capitalize on exploits before someone else does. While this might be good in that we will (maybe) get jailbreaks at a faster pace, it is not good for the community in the long term. One of the best things past jailbreak developers have done for the community at large is to carefully select which exploits to use when. They have often delayed past jailbreaks (much to the irritation of the average user) to try to avoid disclosing more valuable exploits that might be more useful in the future. With everyone rushing to make money, that careful curation of the known exploit library will probably disappear. We might get more jailbreaks in the near-term, but the long-term future of jailbreaking has been put at risk so the evad3rs can make a quick buck.
  3. By releasing the jailbreak without consulting any other developers and with all these accusations of back room deals, the evad3rs have completely destroyed the trust between developers that has been a backbone of the community. Before (for the most part) the developers had been able collaborate amongst themselves prior to a jailbreak being released. Saurik and developers received advanced builds of the jailbreak to ensure Cydia was working and even some of the bigger developers got an advanced look. The result was a better experience for everyone. Now, not only is that trust gone, but several prominent developers have said they are leaving the jailbreak scene or are thinking of leaving. I hope this jailbreak was worth losing some of our most talented developers.

I don't think we yet know what all the long-term implications of this whole episode are going to be. But, I don't think anyone can argue the jailbreak community is better off after the way this went down. It really feels like the evad3rs sold everyone else out to make a quick buck. It is also the first time that piracy apps or repos have been included with a jailbreak by default. The evad3rs have destroyed the trust between developers and have damaged the trust between the developers and the end users. Am I happy they released a jailbreak? Yes. Do I think they went about it in a way that was good for the community as a whole? Absolutely not.

Please cite the sources for your claims about the JB. I haven't seen where it connects to a foreign IP. I also haven't seen where they can remotely alter anything.

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The rumor is that 7.1 isn't coming until March anyway.

I'm sure everybody would rather have a jailbreak now than wait 3 more months. March is halfway through the 5S life cycle.

That rumor is from BGR. They have become a link bait site. About 1 of 20 things from them is accurate.

 

[Night Spring]

The rumor is that 7.1 isn't coming until March anyway.

I'm sure everybody would rather have a jailbreak now than wait 3 more months. March is halfway through the 5S life cycle.

For iOS 6, we ended up waiting nearly half a year for the jailbreak, but when it was finally released, the experience was a lot smoother and without controversy. I, for one, much prefer to wait than this confusion we are having now. So no, not everyone wants a jailbreak NOW, sometimes waiting is worth it.

 

[MacDevil7334]

Please cite the sources for your claims about the JB. I haven't seen where it connects to a foreign IP. I also haven't seen where they can remotely alter anything.

Apparently I got that from one of i0n1c's tweets. The IP address turned out to be legitimate. Should have done more research before posting that. I have removed the reference from my last post.

As for the claims that this is nothing new, that is partially true. But, the last time something like this happened, the developers who weren't being good team players ended up leaving. The jailbreak community has been fairly cohesive and cooperative in the time since the iOS 4.2 limera1n jailbreak. I stand by my points that this is not good for the community as a whole.

 

[TriJetHero]

Apparently I got that from one of i0n1c's tweets. The IP address turned out to be legitimate. Should have done more research before posting that. I have removed the reference from my last post.

As for the claims that this is nothing new, that is partially true. But, the last time something like this happened, the developers who weren't being good team players ended up leaving. The jailbreak community has been fairly cohesive and cooperative in the time since the iOS 4.2 limera1n jailbreak. I stand by my points that this is not good for the community as a whole.

i0n1c....

He is known for trolling and exageration.

There were fallouts after 4.2 as well concerning p0sixninja and again he appears to be involved.

It's not good but saying jailbreaking will never be save again is a bit overboard.

Give them some credit...

 

[Night Spring]

The jailbreak community has been fairly cohesive and cooperative in the time since the iOS 4.2 limera1n jailbreak. I stand by my points that this is not good for the community as a whole.

I agree. My impression of the limera1n controversy is that geohot and the Dev Team had an honest disagreement over the timing of releasing a jailbreak, but no money was involved. This time, it appears money was the main reason behind the timing of the release. It leaves a much worse taste in my mouth than the limera1n situation.

 

[MrGimper]

I don't really care who they partner with or how much money they get. Having a jailbreak is a nicety and not a god given right to any of us.

All the crybabies moaning about there not being a jailbreak for xxxx do my head in. If you buy an iDevice on the proviso there is/will be a jailbreak, then you are a tool. I'm surprised these guys are still doing it considering the amount of whining that goes on.

I've looked at Sauriks twitter feed and it's the same. Whining that stuff doesn't work and when will he fix it. If I was him I'd kick back, enjoy my xmas and tell everyone to feck off.

As long as there's nothing that steals my info, I couldn't give a rats ass how much money they get.... they deserve it.

 

[9058456]

I don't really care who they partner with or how much money they get. Having a jailbreak is a nicety and not a god given right to any of us.



All the crybabies moaning about there not being a jailbreak for xxxx do my head in. If you buy an iDevice on the proviso there is/will be a jailbreak, then you are a tool. I'm surprised these guys are still doing it considering the amount of whining that goes on.



I've looked at Sauriks twitter feed and it's the same. Whining that stuff doesn't work and when will he fix it. If I was him I'd kick back, enjoy my xmas and tell everyone to feck off.



As long as there's nothing that steals my info, I couldn't give a rats ass how much money they get.... they deserve it.

Your complaining about complaining hmm

 

[BumpyFlatline]

I agree. My impression of the limera1n controversy is that geohot and the Dev Team had an honest disagreement over the timing of releasing a jailbreak, but no money was involved. This time, it appears money was the main reason behind the timing of the release. It leaves a much worse taste in my mouth than the limera1n situation.

It's been about money for a long time now. They always accepted donations and made a ton doing it. Only difference this time was TaIG paid the evaders and the donations generated from this jailbreak release go to good causes like the EFF. But even before this release, iOS 6 and iOS 5 were all about the money too.

In my opinion, end users are overreacting to the Chinese app. Even geohot said he does not think anything fishy is going on with it.

Edit: The evaders should have been transparent about TaIG when they released the tool. That is the only thing that should have been different. They felt they had to release their jailbreak because A) the TaIG money was on the line AND B) saurik, geohot, and others were close to releasing their jailbreaks. I would be pissed too if I put in all this work only to be beat out by another team. Money and pride was on the line. I don't fault them one bit. Plus reports indicate that geohot was also trying to make money off his jailbreak so there's that too if it is the truth.

 

[BiggAW]

Mine had Cydia installed when I Jailbroke, but I'm wondering if it somehow got stuck in the backup somewhere and iTunes missed it and backed it up and restored it, so that it re-appeared when I jailbroke?

 

[MrGimper]

Your complaining about complaining hmm

Indeed I was. However, now I feel I need to complain about your lack of imagination in your response, and your bad grammar

 

[darricksailo]

For iOS 6, we ended up waiting nearly half a year for the jailbreak, but when it was finally released, the experience was a lot smoother and without controversy. I, for one, much prefer to wait than this confusion we are having now. So no, not everyone wants a jailbreak NOW, sometimes waiting is worth it.

the problem here is if the evad3rs didn't release their jailbreak, someone else would've done so before 7.1 came out. waiting wouldn't have benefited them since the other groups out there were using some of the same exploits the evad3rs were using

 

[BumpyFlatline]

the problem here is if the evad3rs didn't release their jailbreak, someone else would've done so before 7.1 came out. waiting wouldn't have benefited them since the other groups out there were using some of the same exploits the evad3rs were using

Yup this is my understanding too. It is what it is. Who knows, maybe the evaders will release an updated evasion 7 for 7.1. It's impossible to say with conviction that they ruined our chances for a 7.1 jailbreak. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[boshii]

Yup this is my understanding too. It is what it is. Who knows, maybe the evaders will release an updated evasion 7 for 7.1. It's impossible to say with conviction that they ruined our chances for a 7.1 jailbreak. We'll have to wait and see.

I would say it's pretty much a guarantee the exploit will be patched for 7.1.

The rumor is 7.1 will be released in March. That's plenty of time for Apple to patch the vulnerability.

 

[braddick]

Indeed I was. However, now I feel I need to complain about your lack of imagination in your response, and your bad grammar

Come on. It's Christmas eve!
Grammar's in the kitchen baking cookies.

 

[MrGimper]

Come on. It's Christmas eve!

Grammar's in the kitchen baking cookies.

Skillz

 

[BumpyFlatline]

I would say it's pretty much a guarantee the exploit will be patched for 7.1.

The rumor is 7.1 will be released in March. That's plenty of time for Apple to patch the vulnerability.

Yea in not debating that. I'm simply suggesting that there's a chance the evaders will update their tool to jailbreak iOS 7.1. No one can say for sure that they will not do that. That's all I was saying.

But yea, apple is almost most definitely patching the jailbreak lol

 

[robotphood]

http://evasi0n.com/l2.html

 

[td1439]

I'll admit, I was pretty upset and suspicious when all of this kerfuffle over the Taig app store first started. There were rumors flying everywhere and it was easy to think that the evad3rs team had done something really uncool. However, now that the dust has settled, I would say that it appears they went into this agreement with Taig in good faith and that agreement was quickly broken.

Could they have been more prudent in choosing a partner for this jailbreak release? Yeah. Should they have been more open about the inclusion of the Taig store in the Chinese version? Yup. But I think their actions in response to this issue have demonstrated that wasn't malicious. Certainly it's reassuring that a lot of people have done some reverse-engineering and found nothing suspicious (although it seems we're still waiting for a breakdown of the kernel package). Planetbeing spent a lot of time in r/jailbreaking on Reddit yesterday, answering questions, and their decision to completely pull the Taig store installation is worth consideration. My guess is, they are feeling pretty angry and betrayed by Taig right now, and hopefully they learned a lesson from all of this.

I installed the 1.0.1 version of the jailbreak on my phone last night, and I'm happy to just have Cydia on it until updates arrive.

As far as all of the speculation about exploits being burned for 7.1, wasn't there a recent realization that a critical exploit had been patched in the most recent 7.1 beta? They might have had to go back to the drawing board anyhow.

 

[iF34R]

I don't really care who they partner with or how much money they get. Having a jailbreak is a nicety and not a god given right to any of us.

All the crybabies moaning about there not being a jailbreak for xxxx do my head in. If you buy an iDevice on the proviso there is/will be a jailbreak, then you are a tool. I'm surprised these guys are still doing it considering the amount of whining that goes on.

I've looked at Sauriks twitter feed and it's the same. Whining that stuff doesn't work and when will he fix it. If I was him I'd kick back, enjoy my xmas and tell everyone to feck off.

As long as there's nothing that steals my info, I couldn't give a rats ass how much money they get.... they deserve it.

Amen to that. I was going to post damn near the same thing. +respect

 

[BiggAW]

Upgrading Jailbroken devices is such a PITA. I had to reconfigure a lot of stuff on my iPad. I think I'll wait with the iPhone. This all really makes me want to just give up and get a Nexus 5, so I can do whatever I want without having to hack the device.

 

[Thepoobear]

I'd rather the dev team GET the money we heard about. That would keep people interested in jailbreaking.

I'm getting sick of people griping about this.

I truly hope they got well compensated by that shady Chinese company...Otherwise this will leave a bad taste in their mouth over jailbreaking in the future.