General Evasi0n team speaks

[darwin022]

Quite possibility the most most ridiculous post on here. The reason people jailbreak is for Cydia.



If you don't like it so much how about you uninstall it. Lets see if you like you're jail break just as much.

I've already given my reasons, look up a few posts.

And to add to the above post... I don't jailbreak for cydia. I jailbreak because I can't stand someone telling me what I'm not allowed to do with a device I own. I want to be able to tweak, hack around with my device, and get it to do things I know the devices are capable of. Don't get me wrong- I loved what cydia started out as. Then saurik got all money grubby and turned cydia into adware. Not claiming that evad3rs were any better for accepting a bribe in this case. Just saying that it's time for a replacement for cydia that goes back to the hacker roots, not the buggy, ad-filled piece of crap it has become.

 

[stage5]

I've already given my reasons, look up a few posts.

And to add to the above post... I don't jailbreak for cydia. I jailbreak because I can't stand someone telling me what I'm not allowed to do with a device I own. I want to be able to tweak, hack around with my device, and get it to do things I know the devices are capable of. Don't get me wrong- I loved what cydia started out as. Then saurik got all money grubby and turned cydia into adware. Not claiming that evad3rs were any better for accepting a bribe in this case. Just saying that it's time for a replacement for cydia that goes back to the hacker roots, not the buggy, ad-filled piece of crap it has become.

What a bunch of baloney. Just stop.

There is no replacement for cydia so stop complaining. Some people really do think they're all high and mighty on this forum.

Go on, uninstall cydia, lets see where that gets you

 

[darwin022]

Evasi0n team speaks

What a bunch of baloney. Just stop.



There is no replacement for cydia so stop complaining. Some people really do think they're all high and mighty on this forum.



Go on, uninstall cydia, lets see where that gets you

I am aware that currently there is no decent replacement for cydia. If you read up a few posts, you'll notice that I mentioned that. Also, just because there isn't currently a replacement for cydia, it doesn't mean that we have to like what it has become. The initial posts mentioned that we're in need of a better replacement for cydia. Continuing to tell me to remove cydia at this stage won't get you anywhere or make me like the progression cydia has gone through over the past few years any more.

Thanks for playing.

Edit: I'm not trying to troll here, just trying to open up discussion about replacements for cydia for the existing third party repositories and existing tweaks.

 

[Brian Y]

I am aware that currently there is no decent replacement for cydia. If you read up a few posts, you'll notice that I mentioned that. Also, just because there isn't currently a replacement for cydia, it doesn't mean that we have to like what it has become. The initial posts mentioned that we're in need of a better replacement for cydia. Continuing to tell me to remove cydia at this stage won't get you anywhere or make me like the progression cydia has gone through over the past few years any more.

Thanks for playing.

Edit: I'm not trying to troll here, just trying to open up discussion about replacements for cydia for the existing third party repositories and existing tweaks.

"Thanks for playing" Sounds VERY much like you're just trolling.

You do know Cydia is just a front-end for apt, right? You can install SSH, make sure apt is up to date and remove Cydia. You can then SSH into your phone, and install whatever you want straight through apt. Your posts do sound like you don't understand this.

Cydia is adware: No. Saurik has *one* advertisement on the home page of Cydia. Ads within repos are added by the repo owners. As for blocking ads? I agree with him. Repo owners provide a service for free. The only way they get paid is via their ads. Blocking those ads is indirectly stealing bandwidth without paying. Bandwidth isn't free, yes, we would all love a world with no ads, and where every app is free (which sounds to me like the only reason you do jailbreak) but that wouldn't put food on the dev's plates, or roofs over their heads.

Why do we need a replacement for Cydia - it does everything we need. If you think another app would be "faster" then think again - when it's "loading data" all it's really doing is updating apt - and believe it or not, no other app can magically make this process run faster without caching, which means you'll be installing older packages.

We get it that you don't like Cydia. But let's face it, without Saurik, there would be no jailbreak community.

If you're going to troll as you are, at least try to get your facts right.

 

[spinedoc77]

So does Saurik have another JB he is working on, or is that just creative language they used there? It would be a shame to have burned an exploit before 7.1, but I guess we can all just be pleasantly surprised when something gets released after 7.1.

 

[Apollo 13]

ppl love to throw the term troll around a lot. So now ppl like to use it when others don't agree with what they are saying? Or if you want to see a cydia replacement you are trolling? GTFO with that crap and learn call someone a troll when they are really trolling not when they don't follow your lead.

 

[Thepoobear]

Funny how so many people that weren't involved in this have such an opinion on the matter...

 

[jeffmo]

Wow thanks for stretching the page with that.

You're welcome! I just wanted to make sure every whiner knew they were literally being a gigantic, crying baby.

 

[Applejuiced]

They do deserve compensation. But there's a huge difference between community contributors and corporate/national sponsors. The jailbreak experience becomes antithetical to the jailbreak community and poses a far more serious threat to Apple and businesses/governments invested in iOS devices. A relatively small amount of piracy has been tolerated in exchange for jailbreak innovation which Apple then incorporates. Having the Chinese sponsor the latest jailbreak upsets this balance and we're no longer a rebellious but harmless hacker community, rather our devices and use, despite our best intentions, are now completely suspect.

That makes no difference to Apple.
They will always patch the security exploits whether piracy is there or not.

 

[Han Solo 1]

and to think they did this for money is the disgusting part.

Please, give me a break. Do you have any idea how much time and effort they put into this?

I'd like to hear what you'd say if someone told you collecting a paycheck for your work is disgusting.

Get over it. If they were smart, they'd actually charge for jailbreaking.

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We're no longer a rebellious but harmless hacker community, rather our devices and use, despite our best intentions, are now completely suspect.

First of all, why does it matter whether jailbreakers are rebellious or just harmless?

Second of all, who cares what Apple thinks of you as a "hacker community"? You have zero relationship with Apple aside from forking over some of your hard-earned cash for a phone and/or tablet. Zero. If they think you are the scum of the earth for jailbreaking, honestly, who cares.

 

[Netherscourge]

Apple must be loving this.

Greed has gotten the JB community fighting amongst each other.

Meanwhile, Apple is patching out all the evasion exploits as we speak and 7.0.5 will probably kill all hope for a Jailbreak through 7.1 and beyond.

 

[Steve-Jobs]

I've been reading all the posts and opinions of people. Some are happy and Jb straight away, some are not too sure.
I'm confused. Shall I stay away until all settled and tweaks are not too buggy? Or shall I go for it as when 7.1 released I won't be able to JB..

any suggestions?

 

[Netherscourge]

I've been reading all the posts and opinions of people. Some are happy and Jb straight away, some are not too sure.
I'm confused. Shall I stay away until all settled and tweaks are not too buggy? Or shall I go for it as when 7.1 released I won't be able to JB..

any suggestions?

Just stay on iOS 7.0.4, since it's probably the only Jailbreakable iOS right now and Apple will probably be working to crush all hope for a 7.1 Jailbreak now.

Wait a couple weeks to see if Evaders, or anyone else, puts out a new 7.0.4 Jailbreak with a more reliable/compatible/stable version. Preferably, one with a solid version of Cydia running on it - and WITHOUT any CHINESE APP STORES built in.

 

[Steve-Jobs]

Just stay on iOS 7.0.4, since it's probably the only Jailbreakable iOS right now and Apple will probably be working to crush all hope for a 7.1 Jailbreak now.

Wait a couple weeks to see if Evaders, or anyone else, puts out a new 7.0.4 Jailbreak with a more reliable/compatible/stable version. Preferably, one with a solid version of Cydia running on it - and WITHOUT any CHINESE APP STORES built in.

That's what I thought, will wait until someone comes up with a solid JB and Cydia. I know Facebook and other social media sites has my personal info but I trust them more than I'd trust a Chinese company which I never heard of!

thanks for that.

 

[jeffmo]

That's what I thought, will wait until someone comes up with a solid JB and Cydia. I know Facebook and other social media sites has my personal info but I trust them more than I'd trust a Chinese company which I never heard of!

thanks for that.

What laughable xenophobia! What's the difference between an international and domestic company/corporation when it comes to your personal information? Absolutely nothing; all of them want your information because you're nothing but a number that fits into an equation that's designed to make more money for them.

Everyone needs to get over the fact that money is being exchanged in this whole "controversy".

Money makes the world go 'round, kiddos; get on the same page as the adults.

 

[3bs]

Just stay on iOS 7.0.4, since it's probably the only Jailbreakable iOS right now and Apple will probably be working to crush all hope for a 7.1 Jailbreak now.

Wait a couple weeks to see if Evaders, or anyone else, puts out a new 7.0.4 Jailbreak with a more reliable/compatible/stable version. Preferably, one with a solid version of Cydia running on it - and WITHOUT any CHINESE APP STORES built in.

There is no Chinese app store built in unless you're in China. Get your info straight before you spread misinformation.

and 7.0.4 is not the only jailbreakable version.

 

[Steve-Jobs]

There is no Chinese app store built in unless you're in China. Get your info straight before you spread misinformation.

and 7.0.4 is not the only jailbreakable version.

Did you JB and what do you think so far still too buggy ? I think Still rather to wait until it's all nice and settled.

What laughable xenophobia! What's the difference between an international and domestic company/corporation when it comes to your personal information? Absolutely nothing; all of them want your information because you're nothing but a number that fits into an equation that's designed to make more money for them.

Everyone needs to get over the fact that money is being exchanged in this whole "controversy".

Money makes the world go 'round, kiddos; get on the same page as the adults.

You believe what you want to believe then, good on you.

 

[Totally]

Maybe this is just me being cynical - but why the hell is everyone so mad about this jailbreak?

You should be happy and grateful a jailbreak even exists, they require so much skill to put together. The evaders probably put hundreds of hours into this jailbreak and they should be thanked. They don't deserve everyone's ****. The world revolves around money - you're not paying it - so why QQ.

So cydia doesn't work now perfectly or mobile substrate isn't in total working order yet. Be patient. Just 2 days ago there was not even an ETA for the release of this jailbreak and now ITS HERE.

I personally am waiting for the 6.1.4 untethered to be released. But I'm not gonna bash them for not releasing it yet. I will thank them when it is released. They don't deserve the **** that some of you people are giving them. It just makes you look bad.

If you don't like how the evaders did this release, you have 2 options. 1. Don't Jailbreak. 2. Make your own jailbreak (yeah right).

I made this post out of respect for the work that went into this jailbreak, if you don't like, I'm sorry.

 

[bandofbrothers]

Maybe this is just me being cynical - but why the hell is everyone so mad about this jailbreak?

You should be happy and grateful a jailbreak even exists, they require so much skill to put together. The evaders probably put hundreds of hours into this jailbreak and they should be thanked. They don't deserve everyone's ****. The world revolves around money - you're not paying it - so why QQ.

So cydia doesn't work now perfectly or mobile substrate isn't in total working order yet. Be patient. Just 2 days ago there was not even an ETA for the release of this jailbreak and now ITS HERE.

I personally am waiting for the 6.1.4 untethered to be released. But I'm not gonna bash them for not releasing it yet. I will thank them when it is released. They don't deserve the **** that some of you people are giving them. It just makes you look bad.

If you don't like how the evaders did this release, you have 2 options. 1. Don't Jailbreak. 2. Make your own jailbreak (yeah right).

I made this post out of respect for the work that went into this jailbreak, if you don't like, I'm sorry.

Some people read snippets of information released on the blogs etc, and jump on the bandwagon and sometimes flame.

The recent release the evad3rs team posted explaining the current situation should really have been put up on their site on the JB release, however their still would have been probably the same amount of discussion going on about it. Catch 22 !

I really like the way people are jumping to Sauriks defence when this guy has his own agenda too.


No one is forcing an owner to jail-break.

 

[mamema]

I really like the way people are jumping to Sauriks defence when this guy has his own agenda too.
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Especially as this guy is the one which has the most interest to have a working jailbreak around today and in the past as he has a company behind the cydia store and i doubt that offering paid tweaks over the store will be done without a percentage (30% like Apple?) send to saurik.

 

[3bs]

Did you JB and what do you think so far still too buggy ? I think Still rather to wait until it's all nice and settled.

I restored because there's basically nothing I can install on my 5S and the status bar icons being black during calls was annoying me. I'll wait another week or 2 and see what progress they've made.

 

[Night Spring]

Especially as this guy is the one which has the most interest to have a working jailbreak around today and in the past as he has a company behind the cydia store and i doubt that offering paid tweaks over the store will be done without a percentage (30% like Apple?) send to saurik.

No, Saurik can't collect a percentage like Apple, because, once you jailbreak, you can install anything you want from any source you choose. If Saurik tried to collect a percentage, then devs who don't want to pay him will simply find other ways to distribute their stuff. We only use Cydia because it's convenient. If it became inconvenient -- and charging the devs will make it inconvenient to the devs -- someone will come out with an alternative.

 

[BHP41]

I've posted in anther thread too. Seems there's quite a few discussing the same thing. Lol

To all the people whining that the Evaders team made money. Please stop. They should be making money from this. I really wish that they would charge for the JB. It would do too things, 1-keep all the people that have the sense of entitlement out of the community.(the mods could allow one thread where they could bitch,because they're going to do it if they have the JB or don't) 2- Allow the JB teams make money.

I will wait on this one until we find out everything about this JB. There seems to be so many rumors about what this Chinese app is doing. I haven't gotten a clear picture(nor do I think anyone has) about how safe this version of the JB is.

What I do believe is that, the Evaders worked very hard on this version and tried to make money. All while being mislead by this Chinese company in their attempts to try and curtail some of the piracy that goes on in China. If that's true, I respect them for trying to do something about the issue. Especially since it's been known for some time that the largest carrier in the world is getting the iPhone soon. There's a lot of work to be done to end piracy of apps, even in Cydia.

What I think is going to happen in the next few weeks. We'll get a good detailed look at what that app is actually doing. We'll also see if it was installed or part of it was installed on all devices, no matter the language setting. If it comes out that it is. I suspect that the Evaders will publish a new version.

So any people are jumping on the hate wagon right now without knowing what actually is going on. I have faith that in time, all of this will be resolved, and that the one fact we know remains. WE HAVE A WORKING iOS7 JAILBREAK.

Thanks to those involved with it.

 

[Night Spring]

WE HAVE A WORKING iOS7 JAILBREAK.

Yes, for 7.0.4 or below. But what if Apple manages to patch the exploits on 7.1? From what I hear, 7.1 will likely have stability and feature enhancements that I want. If Apple does patch the exploits, I will have to choose between jailbreak or 7.1 features. I just wish they had waited until after 7.1 to release the jailbreak. It seems to me that they picked the chance to make money over giving users flexibility. Sure, you could say they don't owe the users anything, and a jailbreak that potentially leaves JB devices stuck at an earlier version is better than no jailbreak at all...

Or maybe Apple won't patch the exploits, and this whole discussion will be moot. We can always hope!

 

[MacDevil7334]

Maybe this is just me being cynical - but why the hell is everyone so mad about this jailbreak?

You should be happy and grateful a jailbreak even exists, they require so much skill to put together. The evaders probably put hundreds of hours into this jailbreak and they should be thanked. They don't deserve everyone's ****. The world revolves around money - you're not paying it - so why QQ.

So cydia doesn't work now perfectly or mobile substrate isn't in total working order yet. Be patient. Just 2 days ago there was not even an ETA for the release of this jailbreak and now ITS HERE.

I personally am waiting for the 6.1.4 untethered to be released. But I'm not gonna bash them for not releasing it yet. I will thank them when it is released. They don't deserve the **** that some of you people are giving them. It just makes you look bad.

If you don't like how the evaders did this release, you have 2 options. 1. Don't Jailbreak. 2. Make your own jailbreak (yeah right).

I made this post out of respect for the work that went into this jailbreak, if you don't like, I'm sorry.

Let me see if I can spell out for you the reasons why people are (rightly) upset about this.

• The evaders rushed out the jailbreak without consulting anyone in the jailbreak community who might need a heads up (like saurik or any of the other jb developers). It sounds like they may have been trying to beat geohot to the punch, but the reason doesn't really matter. By rushing it out, they ensured that nothing would be working properly at the start (including Cydia!?). What's more, they completely screwed any chance of jailbreaking 7.1 by disclosing all their exploits now.
• The evaders did not in any way disclose that they had "partnered" with a Chinese company to push a "special" app store for Chinese users when they released the jailbreak. Since the release, a whole bunch of accusations have flown around. But, we do know a few things:
  1. The jailbreak code is highly obfuscated, making analysis of what the jailbreak tool actually does difficult.
  2. edit - removed.
  3. The evaders have the capability to remotely alter the way the jailbreak tool operates. They decided to remotely disable the installation of Taig after people noticed the piracy. What else can they cause the evasi0n tool to do remotely?
  4. The Taig app store not only has pirated versions of AppStore apps, but also pirated versions of jailbreak apps. Quite the slap in the face to the rest of the jb community. Honestly, I don't see how the evad3rs could not have known about the piracy issue before the jb was released. Their claims of ignorance ring utterly false to me.
• Though we don't know for how much, it seems pretty clear that the evad3rs sold out the jailbreak to a Chinese company with a history of piracy for an undisclosed amount of money. While this does mean we all got a free jailbreak and we got it sooner than expected, this decision came with several negative (and potentially community altering consequences):
  1. Jailbreaks can no longer be considered safe, even when they come known developers. We now no longer know what deals they might have made behind closed doors. To be clear, I don't have any problem with developers getting paid for their work. I do have a problem with them partnering with a sketchy Chinese company that pirates the work of their fellow developers and not saying a word to anyone.
  2. Jailbreaking will now become an arms race with developers rushing to capitalize on exploits before someone else does. While this might be good in that we will (maybe) get jailbreaks at a faster pace, it is not good for the community in the long term. One of the best things past jailbreak developers have done for the community at large is to carefully select which exploits to use when. They have often delayed past jailbreaks (much to the irritation of the average user) to try to avoid disclosing more valuable exploits that might be more useful in the future. With everyone rushing to make money, that careful curation of the known exploit library will probably disappear. We might get more jailbreaks in the near-term, but the long-term future of jailbreaking has been put at risk so the evad3rs can make a quick buck.
  3. By releasing the jailbreak without consulting any other developers and with all these accusations of back room deals, the evad3rs have completely destroyed the trust between developers that has been a backbone of the community. Before (for the most part) the developers had been able collaborate amongst themselves prior to a jailbreak being released. Saurik and developers received advanced builds of the jailbreak to ensure Cydia was working and even some of the bigger developers got an advanced look. The result was a better experience for everyone. Now, not only is that trust gone, but several prominent developers have said they are leaving the jailbreak scene or are thinking of leaving. I hope this jailbreak was worth losing some of our most talented developers.

I don't think we yet know what all the long-term implications of this whole episode are going to be. But, I don't think anyone can argue the jailbreak community is better off after the way this went down. It really feels like the evad3rs sold everyone else out to make a quick buck. It is also the first time that piracy apps or repos have been included with a jailbreak by default. The evad3rs have destroyed the trust between developers and have damaged the trust between the developers and the end users. Am I happy they released a jailbreak? Yes. Do I think they went about it in a way that was good for the community as a whole? Absolutely not.