You are the single most coolest guy I have seen posting around here.
Please check out my thread and make a video of the mission control and workspace switching UI's at different display settings!
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You are the single most coolest guy I have seen posting around here.
Please check out my thread and make a video of the mission control and workspace switching UI's at different display settings!
Tell me, how is your ridiculous analogy about water being a must-have and therefore people should listen to what other people tell them to do in any way relevant in a thread about the Retina Display? It must be somehow relevant, after all, you posted that in a thread talking about Retina Displays.
I don't think so. Your point is that people should listen to other people's advice, right? Let me tell you what to do. Go and purchase a PowerBook G3 and use it for the next 20 years. Remember, you are not the best judge of what you need.
In some circumstances, I concede: you'd be correct. For example, if I have a cold, I should listen to the doctor's advice about taking medicine, because it could develop into something more serious.
But the post you replied to was not referring to disease or life/death. He was talking about computers. When talking about computers, yes, each individual user is the best judge of what he/she needs.
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I don't want one. Like most I was intrigued when it was announced but that quickly faded. I don't want one for several reasons:
1. Most apps/websites aren't optimized for it.
2. Integrated GPU struggles with it. (I hate dedicated GPU's and prefer to run on integrated as much as possible but with the taxing nature of the Retina it needs the dedicated piece much more)
3. It's expensive. I don't need to spend north of $2k to encode videos and surf the web. I need/want a quad so the Air is out but it's not a production machine making me money so Retina prices aren't happening.
The Retina is bleeding edge tech and will be loved by many. I'll wait a couple years until it's ready for the masses and the bugs are worked out.
1. Most apps/websites aren't optimized for it.
2. Integrated GPU struggles with it. (I hate dedicated GPU's and prefer to run on integrated as much as possible but with the taxing nature of the Retina it needs the dedicated piece much more)
3. It's expensive. I don't need to spend north of $2k to encode videos and surf the web. I need/want a quad so the Air is out but it's not a production machine making me money so Retina prices aren't happening.
The Retina is bleeding edge tech and will be loved by many. I'll wait a couple years until it's ready for the masses and the bugs are worked out.
Nice straw man.
No that's not right.
Nice misquote. I never said that, but I guess your idea of intelligent discussion is to misquote people by truncating what they say, twisting the context, and attacking that. What I said was far more nuanced.
Now you are getting it. What I responded to was the idiotic relativism expressed in one specific post (not that the poster is idiotic, rather the relativistic position that is so common in our society is idiotic). Now you might rightfully ask me, how is that relevant to this thread? My answer is someone said (a), another responded with this relativistic nonsense (b) to deny (a). So I pointed out (b) doesn't work so that our poster could better formulate his criticism of (a), which does merit criticism. That's the relevance.
No that's the kind of inference I am contesting. It's not because it isn't referring to disease, life, or death that anything goes and that all subjective opinions are on the same footing. If you like I could introduce another analogy to demonstrate that point, but I fear people will get into a mix all-over.
Let me try another track on you guys/girls since analogies and counter-examples seem too difficult. You are claiming that with regard to computers, each individual is his own best judge. That is your claim. Consider me a complete fool, though a scrupulous one. I'll now ask you, why should I believe this claim. What proof have you to confirm it?
At home, I'm plugged into a 27" Thunderbolt display. When I go to work I put my laptop on my desk and hook to a 27" Thunderbolt display. I rarely use my laptop other than those two places. I frequently burn .iso's for software distribution to other machines, and I have gigE both places. Tell me again why I *need* a retina display?
I'll buy a retina screen when Apple releases a 27" retina display. I use an MBA hooked to a 27" display for 80%+ of my day. When I need to be mobile weight is more important that pixels.
Because the rMBP is the lightest, most powerful MBP you can get. Any other MBP with comparable processing power, and GPU is heavier.
Yea, that option of opening up your computer to upgrade ram, HD etc is SO important ....... to about what, 1 in 10 consumers? I said consumers, not geeks.
For the rest of us, who don't care about taking a screwdriver and opening up their electronics .... we'll look at the clearest screen on the planet ... and that's RETINA!
People are going to hate. They're bitter about the way the market is moving. Basically, we're arriving at a generational leap in computing and the old people are talking about the "good ole days". Ignore them. Enjoy the best computer display ever made.
Tim, I admire your sheep. Pat this one on the head, give him a treat and refill his Kool-Aid.
Just like thunderbolt eh? Owwww wait....
I'm old! Gutted there is no floppy support in the new Retinas..... Total BS! You whipper snappers with your iCloud mumbo jumbo ! Floppy is where it was all at!
I'm guessing that you're trying to say that thunderbolt is not a generational leap in computing. Though I didn't state that it was, and don't quite understand the point you're making I'll try to adress your concern. Considering that pc manufacturers are now putting thunderbolt ports on their computers, and I'm seeing more and more high profile storage companies adopting thunderbolt, yes, just like thunderbolt.
It's a leap alright, though sadly its close to useless until there are accessories and affordable. Now that PC manafactures are slowly picking it up, it may very well change our lives with 24 months. When Apple gave it to us, it was freakin useless.
Same way the retina is great tech , a huge jump, sadly the industry is not going to budge cause it sets new standards. The most annoying for me is how bad apps and images look on websites, sadly you get a better experience on a non retina. And everyone says updates to apps and web pages coming soon, ummmm don't hold your breath. Take adobe, I suspect they will only update CS6 for retina, forcing you to update ,the retina transitionis going to be abused.
Updates ARE going to happen, one way or the other. If it requires Adobe CS6 then that's the case. The fact remains that the industry is moving forward. New tech is always more expensive when it's new. Look at solid state drives. They were anything but affordable 2 years ago, now their prices are plummeting. New technology is always going to move things forward, some tech moves it forward faster than others. Apps will update for the retina display, and this process will only accelerate when some PC manufacturer gets off its ass and makes a high resolution display itself.
Agreed. We need advancement. Though if apple is going to lead the way, and wants buy in from me , they have to lead by example, not having thunderbolt in mac pros, and it's arrival is due late 2013.... Seriously that is piss weak. The pro device that needs it most ! Let's see how long it takes for the thunderbolt displays to be updated with USB 3. Now that thier notebooks have gone ivy + USB 3 it's unfair for thier customers to only be offerd displays with USB 2.
I'm all for advancement, it's just I feel apple makes a lot of noise and does not follow through. Sadly I have given up on the mac pro, really not happy how apple has treated us over the years. This years update and announcement of the pro till late next year has forced me down the hackintosh path, and given PCs are getting thunderbolt I might get one in a hackintosh way before the pro gets it.
I agree completely about the Mac Pro. I'm a long way from being able to purchase one, but the line desperately needs the advancements that Apple is putting in their other computers. It was disappointing to see that they didn't update them this year.
I think like most things it's going to come down to cost. For the people with the disposable income to be early adopters or who need a product because of their profession it's a no brainer. Who wouldn't want a rMBP with a much better screen, faster CPU/GPU, SSD, along with smaller size and weight.
It's a tougher choice for everyone else. Personally I can't go back to a pre-retina iPad and now I don't want to use a pre-retina laptop.
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2011 2.0ghz 15-inch MBP
2011 2.3ghz 13-inch MBP
2012 64gb iPad3
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2011 Thunderport Display
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It's a tougher choice for everyone else. Personally I can't go back to a pre-retina iPad and now I don't want to use a pre-retina laptop.
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2012 2.6ghz rMBP
2011 2.0ghz 15-inch MBP
2011 2.3ghz 13-inch MBP
2012 64gb iPad3
2011 32gb iPad2
2011 Thunderport Display
2 Dell workstations
It's not picking at straws. Read my explanation of why your water analogy does not work below. But ok, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe that
Why not? You're saying that I'm not the best judge of what I need. Thus you must be saying that someone else is the best judge of what I need.
Let me quote your entire post then.
Your argument is: 'You need water. Prove me wrong. You can't? See, that's why I'm a better judge of what you need than you are.'
Of course nobody can prove that you're wrong about water being a necessity- that's common knowledge. So how exactly does that argument cement your ground as a superior judge?
Big words, big man. Right then.
No matter how you try to cut it, the poster you were quoting was correct in saying that people should not tell others what they need.
Unless they don't know anything about the topic, in this case, computers. But since he's on a forum I'm guessing he isn't completely ignorant about computers and is fully capable of making his own, informed, decision.
The cold thing makes sense, because I am not a doctor. I do not know what is wrong with me and I do not know what will fix me. I will assume the doctor knows what he is telling me to do as he has gone to medical school, so I will take medicine. Have you gone to make-decisions-for-other-people school?
Let's use an example, shall we?
A wants an all-in-one desktop. He desires smooth performance for his internet browsing without requiring overly powerful components, so it cannot be too costly. He chooses a refurb iMac.
B wants a lightweight laptop with a small screen. He chooses an 11" MacBook Air.
C wants a gaming laptop, and wants to be able to run all the latest games at maximum graphics and native resolution without any lag. He chooses an Alienware M18x.
Now, tell me why you would be a better judge than each individual user, and tell me one blanket statement that would work for all three users.
I couldn't care less about the retina, for me its all about the slimness and the IPS tech.
Considering all Macbooks have worse viewing angles than my 5 year old Samsung TFT, I always struggled with having to adjust viewing angles all the time.
As the Anandtech review pointed out, you can finally use a Macbook on a plane without sacrificing screen quality and increasing eye strain. Of course those flying business class will have negated that problem for a while now, but for peons like myself, it is a problem.
Considering all Macbooks have worse viewing angles than my 5 year old Samsung TFT, I always struggled with having to adjust viewing angles all the time.
As the Anandtech review pointed out, you can finally use a Macbook on a plane without sacrificing screen quality and increasing eye strain. Of course those flying business class will have negated that problem for a while now, but for peons like myself, it is a problem.
