Everybody needs a retina display.

[sweetbrat]

I think one of the reasons more people aren't getting the retina MBP right now is because there's still a lot of questions about it. It's an amazing computer, and yes, it probably is the future of computers. But for now, it's ahead of its time. That's great for the people that always want to have the newest and best. For people who make a living using their computers, it's not necessarily so great. For graphic designers, photographers, etc. the retina MBP presents some challenges. Suddenly you're looking at things and seeing them differently than 99% of the people that you're creating your work for. Until retina-type screens become more mainstream, there's questions about how best to work with it.

It's nothing against the computer, but just like a MBA or iPad isn't right for everyone, neither is the retina MBP. Give it more time and a lot of the questions will be worked out.

 

[cmChimera]

Wait what, its 2013 ALREADY?!?!?!

They said they are going to update next year. As in not this year.

 

[JohnDoe98]

It's not picking at straws. Read my explanation of why your water analogy does not work below. But ok, if it makes you feel better, go ahead and believe that

The straw consists of you claiming that I was committed to, or said, "water is a must-have, therefore people should listen to what other people tell them". But I never said that, nor did I ever make that inference. First off, I was very careful to quantify my statement to "sometimes" people are not the best judges of their own needs. The sometimes implies the statement was not fully generalized, as you mistakenly thought, on multiple occasions now. Second, the logical structure of what I said is as follows: the water analogy is an example of the claim that sometimes people aren't always the best judges of their own needs. That's the converse of what you have me committed to. Hence, you have the causality all mixed up and are failing to comprehend what was written. That's why you are attacking straws of your own creation.

Why not? You're saying that I'm not the best judge of what I need. Thus you must be saying that someone else is the best judge of what I need.

I never said that. Go back and read more carefully.

Your argument is: 'You need water. Prove me wrong. You can't? See, that's why I'm a better judge of what you need than you are.'

No that's not my argument. Again you have mixed everything up and demonstrate a failure to comprehend what was written.

Of course nobody can prove that you're wrong about water being a necessity- that's common knowledge. So how exactly does that argument cement your ground as a superior judge?

It's not meant to.

Big words, big man. Right then.

Unnecessary.

No matter how you try to cut it, the poster you were quoting was correct in saying that people should not tell others what they need.

Sigh.

Let's use an example, shall we?

A wants an all-in-one desktop. He desires smooth performance for his internet browsing without requiring overly powerful components, so it cannot be too costly. He chooses a refurb iMac.

B wants a lightweight laptop with a small screen. He chooses an 11" MacBook Air.

C wants a gaming laptop, and wants to be able to run all the latest games at maximum graphics and native resolution without any lag. He chooses an Alienware M18x.

Now, tell me why you would be a better judge than each individual user, and tell me one blanket statement that would work for all three users.

I'm not obliged to. I never claimed I was a superior judge of anything in this thread.

 

[rays09]

for me retina screen it's great, really great! but it's still have laggy issue and we still don't know what causes it happened?? maybe if it's only because it's Software thing,it's okay.. but if it's about Hardware??? $3000 dollar?? no man!
but overall it's screen amazing.. iam agree to anyone who said "it's great stuff but not for now"

maybe if it's not about ethernet port , optical drive, FW, it's all depend on your personal. but if it's about laggy? c'mon will you spend 3000 for a laggy notebook? today's 2012, even windows now flowin' like water!!

last words buy a hi ress mate/glossy high model cMBP,it's the best thing "for now"!

 

[Ccrew]

Because the rMBP is the lightest, most powerful MBP you can get. Any other MBP with comparable processing power, and GPU is heavier.

But I get nothing but the screen, which I don't use, lose the ODD, and the ethernet port, and I can't bump that rMBP up to 32gb mem or a larger SSD in the future like I can a non retina. While I may not need it now, the ability to "grow" the MBP vs locked into what I buy with a rMBP has value.

And I don't get a more powerful processor or video, I get the exact same thing. I get a screen. A laggy one at that.. That I don't but rarely use. Heavier? Bet by the time you carry a superdrive and an ethernet dongle we're pretty darned close.

None of which answers given my usage why I *have to have it* which was the point of the OP's thread.

 

[blumpkin]

This is exactly the kind of mindless fanboy idiocy that makes it so difficult to get accurate information whenever Apple releases a new product.

Actually, if you are literate and write things in Word or Pages, you may not want a retina display right now. Because the text is heavily pixelated.

The RD is, indeed, awesome for optimized content. For other content, though, it's decidedly a mixed bag.

No way this is a one size fits all proposition at the moment.

[POSTED FROM MY COAL-POWERED APPLE II]

Fix't.

 

[kfscoll]

I want to re-use the two 8GB 1600MHz SO-DIMMs I already have.

I want to re-use the 512GB SSD I already have.

I want to re-use the 15" MacBook Pro Henge Docks docking station I already have.

I want to re-use the numerous FW800 external hard drives I already have.

I frequently need to use the built-in SuperDrive.

About 95% of the time I'll be using my MacBook Pro with an external monitor.

So why do I *need* a Retina Display MacBook Pro? Oh yeah, I don't.

I love all of the people who think that their use case is the only valid use case and everyone else is a Luddite. Please. For me, a cMBP make waaaaay more sense.

 

[eba]

People are going to hate. They're bitter about the way the market is moving. Basically, we're arriving at a generational leap in computing and the old people are talking about the "good ole days". Ignore them. Enjoy the best computer display ever made.

The RD is awesome new technology.

But that doesn't mean everyone needs one.

You can understand the distinction, I hope.

 

[taedouni]

I have an iPad. If I want to do some high quality reading then i'll use my iPad. I don't want to have a high resolution laptop that will soon (within the next year or so) that will be bottlenecked with it's 650M 1GB GPU.

 

[Eallan]

But I get nothing but the screen, which I don't use, lose the ODD, and the ethernet port, and I can't bump that rMBP up to 32gb mem or a larger SSD in the future like I can a non retina. While I may not need it now, the ability to "grow" the MBP vs locked into what I buy with a rMBP has value.

And I don't get a more powerful processor or video, I get the exact same thing. I get a screen. A laggy one at that.. That I don't but rarely use. Heavier? Bet by the time you carry a superdrive and an ethernet dongle we're pretty darned close.

None of which answers given my usage why I *have to have it* which was the point of the OP's thread.

You don't use the display on your laptop?

Have you considered a desktop?

 

[eron]

But I get nothing but the screen, which I don't use, lose the ODD, and the ethernet port, and I can't bump that rMBP up to 32gb mem or a larger SSD in the future like I can a non retina. While I may not need it now, the ability to "grow" the MBP vs locked into what I buy with a rMBP has value.

And I don't get a more powerful processor or video, I get the exact same thing. I get a screen. A laggy one at that.. That I don't but rarely use. Heavier? Bet by the time you carry a superdrive and an ethernet dongle we're pretty darned close.

None of which answers given my usage why I *have to have it* which was the point of the OP's thread.

Of course you don't have to have it. There are many manufactured demand in this world, and Apple is good at it. Planned obsolescence sometimes.

Sorry, my post was addressing your concerns.

At home, I'm plugged into a 27" Thunderbolt display. When I go to work I put my laptop on my desk and hook to a 27" Thunderbolt display. I rarely use my laptop other than those two places. I frequently burn .iso's for software distribution to other machines, and I have gigE both places. Tell me again why I *need* a retina display?

You said you have Thunderbolt displays (TBD) at home, and at work, so you don't need to carry the Ethernet adaptor. You can have external super drives at home, and work, like how you could have power adaptors at 2 locations. Honestly, if you really don't use the laptop screen, I'm questioning as to why you bought a laptop in the first place, and also why you have thunderbolt displays. There are very good displays around like the Samsung S27a850 if you don't need the features on the TBD. You can have Mac Minis at both locations, and use media, or the cloud to transfer required files. Why carry the laptop around? Why do you *have* to have the laptop?

Like how some people don't require laptops, some don't require the rMBP.

 

[eba]

I don't want one. Like most I was intrigued when it was announced but that quickly faded. I don't want one for several reasons:

1. Most apps/websites aren't optimized for it.
2. Integrated GPU struggles with it. (I hate dedicated GPU's and prefer to run on integrated as much as possible but with the taxing nature of the Retina it needs the dedicated piece much more)
3. It's expensive. I don't need to spend north of $2k to encode videos and surf the web. I need/want a quad so the Air is out but it's not a production machine making me money so Retina prices aren't happening.

The Retina is bleeding edge tech and will be loved by many. I'll wait a couple years until it's ready for the masses and the bugs are worked out.

Same conclusion here. I've been an early-adapter on several other Apple products, so I appreciate new technology. And I planned to do the same here.

But after spending some time with the display models at my local Apple store, I just don't see the case for jumping in now, given my needs.

 

[TheMacBookPro]

The straw consists of you claiming that I was committed to, or said, "water is a must-have, therefore people should listen to what other people tell them". But I never said that, nor did I ever make that inference. First off, I was very careful to quantify my statement to "sometimes" people are not the best judges of their own needs. The sometimes implies the statement was not fully generalized, as you mistakenly thought, on multiple occasions now. Second, the logical structure of what I said is as follows: the water analogy is an example of the claim that sometimes people aren't always the best judges of their own needs. That's the converse of what you have me committed to. Hence, you have the causality all mixed up and are failing to comprehend what was written. That's why you are attacking straws of your own creation.

More big words then?

Let's not get into your BS analogies. Analogies are supposed to be an equivalence to prove your point. Unfortunately, your analogy is not an analogy, as water is not the equivalent of a computer. Water is a necessity, a computer is not.

If you're trying to claim that 'glitternarwhal' was incorrect in saying that OP should not tell people to purchase a Retina Display device, then you must be supporting OP's claim that everyone must have a Retina Display. And if not, you're probably in the wrong thread.

I never said that. Go back and read more carefully.

No that's not my argument. Again you have mixed everything up and demonstrate a failure to comprehend what was written.

Once again, your post:

You NEED water. Prove me otherwise.


My point? Sometimes you are not the best judge of what you need.

It seems to me that is exactly what you were saying. If not, why don't you tell me what you were trying to say?

It's not meant to.

So what's the point of you posting that? There's no relevance to OP's point nor 'glitternarwhal''s point. If you're just trying to show off your knowledge of water, you're definitely in the wrong forum.

Unnecessary.

Sigh.

"I have nothing to say because everything I'm saying is irrelevant to this thread, but I will say things like 'sigh' in an attempt to shut him up and prove my superiority."

I'm not obliged to. I never claimed I was a superior judge of anything in this thread.

Your first post in this thread was saying that he is a poor judge of what he needs. If you are not a superior judge, then tell me what the point of your post was?

 

[Mizzou02RS]

I don't need a retina display. It seem pretty presumptuous to say that I do without knowing my needs.

 

[roland.g]

So after my earlier post, I have to retract and say I may be wrong. Not sure if I am but I may be. I went by an Apple Store today and saw the Retina machine. At first it did seem heavy compared to my 13" MBA and I didn't like the 15" size or bulk. But then I picked it up a few more times and it seemed much lighter. Now it is only .04 lbs lighter than my 08 Unibody Aluminum 13" MacBook which has seemed heavy and I am glad to have replaced, but it seemed lighter, and yes the screen was gorgeous.

Two problems I still have though I am tempted to return the Air and get one.

1. 3-4 weeks and I have less than 2 to return my Air. But I'm sure I could make do with the iMac in the interim.

2. I don't like the idea of some pics, etc. not looking good and being an early adopter in terms of retina, not only for the way web pages and apps look, but also for the price premium of this generation.

I'm not sure the extra $700-800 is justified even though it is quad core, larger drive, etc.

And I'm not convinced I really want a 15" screen and overall bulk compared to the Air. It certainly is tougher than I realized.

 

[Ccrew]

You can have Mac Minis at both locations, and use media, or the cloud to transfer required files. Why carry the laptop around? Why do you *have* to have the laptop?

Because in the rare event I need it while not at home or at the office the data needs to be with me and my work systems accessible by it. Some of us do work jobs where we are somewhat restricted by security departments/concerns.

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You don't use the display on your laptop?

Have you considered a desktop?

I have several. I need the portability and accessibility of a laptop in the event that need arises, but agreed, that's a small portion of the time. But enough to warrant it's existence.

 

[Eallan]

Because in the rare event I need it while not at home or at the office the data needs to be with me and my work systems accessible by it. Some of us do work jobs where we are somewhat restricted by security departments/concerns.

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I have several. I need the portability and accessibility of a laptop in the event that need arises, but agreed, that's a small portion of the time. But enough to warrant it's existence.

I've never understood people who "don't need" a better display for a phone, or tablet, or laptop.

It's literally the only way you interact with the device, and a better display will improve ever moment you're using the device.

 

[Ccrew]

I've never understood people who "don't need" a better display for a phone, or tablet, or laptop.

It's literally the only way you interact with the device, and a better display will improve ever moment you're using the device.

It won't necessarily make you more productive. I'm an IT Engineer. I'm either SSH'ed into a Unix machine, or RDP'ed into a Windows server that's running 1024x768 or 1280x1024. What does that extra resolution really get me? Extra clarity for a terminal console session? Hardly worth the price premium..


I'm not knocking the people that do need it. I'm just saying that it's not everyone.

 

[ennui613]

when I was checking out the RMBP on display at the apple store, I could tell there was a difference compared to the old MBP's. But I personally didn't go crazy about it. However, after buying it and properly sit down and started using it with a proper viewing angle, that's when it really hit me. it's a beautiful screen (vibrant, bright, sharp) and everytime I go back to use my old laptop or other computers, to me, it's a world of difference.

 

[Eallan]

It won't necessarily make you more productive. I'm an IT Engineer. I'm either SSH'ed into a Unix machine, or RDP'ed into a Windows server that's running 1024x768 or 1280x1024. What does that extra resolution really get me? Extra clarity for a terminal console session? Hardly worth the price premium..


I'm not knocking the people that do need it. I'm just saying that it's not everyone.

I didn't say anything about productivity. There is such a thing as quality of the experience.

I've had so much less eye strain this past week it's shocking.

 

[iamthedudeman]

I think one of the reasons more people aren't getting the retina MBP right now is because there's still a lot of questions about it. It's an amazing computer, and yes, it probably is the future of computers. But for now, it's ahead of its time. That's great for the people that always want to have the newest and best. For people who make a living using their computers, it's not necessarily so great. For graphic designers, photographers, etc. the retina MBP presents some challenges. Suddenly you're looking at things and seeing them differently than 99% of the people that you're creating your work for. Until retina-type screens become more mainstream, there's questions about how best to work with it.

It's nothing against the computer, but just like a MBA or iPad isn't right for everyone, neither is the retina MBP. Give it more time and a lot of the questions will be worked out.

This the best post on this thread. Kudos sir.

I had the base RMBP because I didn't want to wait. It was a fine machine. I have a good bit of disposable income.

I got the retina base and returned it because of exactly the problems you describe. I own a marketing firm and have to edit, commercials, posters, bill boards, all in real time. Usually over a conference call or in a board room right in front of your clients on your laptop most of the time. The problems with rendering with apps was not easy and that is putting it mildly.

I am debating on using my late 2011 15 with SSD or going with a 2012 15 with a SSD just for USB 3.0.

Retina is a fine machine, but I will wait until the rest of the world catches up with it. Then I will buy again. Until then being able to switch out your HD and Ram is not a bad thing.

 

[derickdub]

I don't "need" a retina display at all. In-fact the low-res display is just fine in terms of viewing comfort. The retina would be nice only for the extra screen real-estate once removing scaling. The only reason I will never buy the current retina MBPs is the fact an anti-glare option isn't offered. To me anti-glare is the best I could do on a MBP as far as viewing comfort is concerned.

I will say from what I've seen after people have removed scaling I am considering a rMBP more and more, but the extra spec increase for the same price with the non retina model is still keeping me from buying one.

 

[sweetbrat]

This the best post on this thread. Kudos sir.

I had the base RMBP because I didn't want to wait. It was a fine machine. I have a good bit of disposable income.

I got the retina base and returned it because of exactly the problems you describe. I own a marketing firm and have to edit, commercials, posters, bill boards, all in real time. Usually over a conference call or in a board room right in front of your clients on your laptop most of the time. The problems with rendering with apps was not easy and that is putting it mildly.

I am debating on using my late 2011 15 with SSD or going with a 2012 15 with a SSD just for USB 3.0.

Retina is a fine machine, but I will wait until the rest of the world catches up with it. Then I will buy again. Until then being able to switch out your HD and Ram is not a bad thing.

I appreciate the compliment. But, I'm not a sir

 

[Ccrew]

I didn't say anything about productivity. There is such a thing as quality of the experience.

I've had so much less eye strain this past week it's shocking.

At the end of the day though, it's just a tool.

 

[Mojo1]

My point? Sometimes you are not the best judge of what you need.

This fellow is very enamored with his cleverness; he is so clever you will never be able to engage him in a meaningful exchange because the debate is all about him and how clever he is.

I knew guys like him in college. (I wouldn't be surprised if he is an undergrad student.) So smart, so clever, so full of it.