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I guess there's always the possibility of a superbowl ad, but I can't really see it happening (for a new product release anyway). Have they ever done it before?
For your sake I hope that wasn't sarcasm.
For your sake I hope that wasn't sarcasm.
I think since it has been so long since a revision we will see some kind of redesign, but not radical...
I don't think it'll be until April at the earliest though..
I don't think it'll be until April at the earliest though..
Gimme a multitouch mighty mouse, instead of the roller nipple, and I might care. Otherwise, not so much.
The information on that link in somewhat contradictory as it says one length of time in the table but then it says Apple classes the MBP's as late 2007's since the addition of the 2.6GHz upgrade option.
It can't be both a november release AND 239 days old???
dont know if this has been asked already but...
so how much will the current refub prices go down after this intro.
anyone know from past experience?
so how much will the current refub prices go down after this intro.
anyone know from past experience?
Good Question! I have been wondering the same thing myself...the current MBP is fine for my needs, and I was planning on a refurb unit (the 2.4 version for $2,100)...but if these will be cut again in the next few weeks, i will have to wait...
this is how i feel
Leopard Update might be the key to MBP delay
I've always thought that a big part of that very large 10.5.2 update (the biggest in OSX history) was to revamp and optimize Leopard for the new Penryn libraries and routines. To my amateur eye Penryn's new 128-bit Floating-Point engine seems not unlike the alti-vec/velocity engine of PPC fame. This is the stuff that really ramps up Penryn performance over its predecessor.
This would make OSX even faster and put an even BIGGER gap between it and Vista. As the competitor disappears in the dust, we slam our machine into overdrive. MS is still coming to grips with far lesser issues, like how do I get this thing out of second gear?
If so, you could expect up to a 40% speed-boost for similar clock-speeds (on optimized software). I think such gains would be very enticing for Apple and would explain why engineers being diverted to the Air would have delayed what seems to be a significant but otherwise minor last MBP upgrade prior to a major redesign mid '08 with a new chip-set. I could be wrong, we may see an Air-like lid with magnetic latch and a few more mm shaved from the bottom case in addition to the gesture-sensitive trackpad, but this would be further encroaching on the Air-space and I think that little bird is going to need all the help it can get to fly.
This optimization of 10.5.2 would not affect the Airs performance since it is running what amounts to a decapitated Penryn, with none of the new libraries or routines. The boost would, however, provide a further broad incentive to sales as the new CPU architecture is set to replace all Mac's by year's end - particularly iMac's running the 'X' (Extreme) Penryn series.
So my guess: prior to 10.5.2 the new MBP's would debut with a performance-boost of 10-14%, after 10.5.2 the boost could be up in the high 30's (for the OS and shortly thereafter, Apple Apps). So better to delay the MBP's as first impressions count. Also, prior to its release, 10.5.2 needs to be exhaustively tested secretly by Apple on Penryn MBP's - hence little glimpses of MBP 4,1 showing up in logs and hence no 10.5.2 has turned up when all known issues now seem resolved.
With the emphasis on performance with the MBP's, a none-to-favourable comparison would be made with the Air if released too soon. It works better for sales to at least get the Airs in store and out prior to the MBP's arrival. After all they say you do need to see the Air to appreciate it.
Once the OS update is out, there would seem little to delay the MBP release other than Air-space and supply-lines. If correct, it all works rather elegantly in Apple's favour and ultimately ours as well.
I've always thought that a big part of that very large 10.5.2 update (the biggest in OSX history) was to revamp and optimize Leopard for the new Penryn libraries and routines. To my amateur eye Penryn's new 128-bit Floating-Point engine seems not unlike the alti-vec/velocity engine of PPC fame. This is the stuff that really ramps up Penryn performance over its predecessor.
This would make OSX even faster and put an even BIGGER gap between it and Vista. As the competitor disappears in the dust, we slam our machine into overdrive. MS is still coming to grips with far lesser issues, like how do I get this thing out of second gear?
If so, you could expect up to a 40% speed-boost for similar clock-speeds (on optimized software). I think such gains would be very enticing for Apple and would explain why engineers being diverted to the Air would have delayed what seems to be a significant but otherwise minor last MBP upgrade prior to a major redesign mid '08 with a new chip-set. I could be wrong, we may see an Air-like lid with magnetic latch and a few more mm shaved from the bottom case in addition to the gesture-sensitive trackpad, but this would be further encroaching on the Air-space and I think that little bird is going to need all the help it can get to fly.
This optimization of 10.5.2 would not affect the Airs performance since it is running what amounts to a decapitated Penryn, with none of the new libraries or routines. The boost would, however, provide a further broad incentive to sales as the new CPU architecture is set to replace all Mac's by year's end - particularly iMac's running the 'X' (Extreme) Penryn series.
So my guess: prior to 10.5.2 the new MBP's would debut with a performance-boost of 10-14%, after 10.5.2 the boost could be up in the high 30's (for the OS and shortly thereafter, Apple Apps). So better to delay the MBP's as first impressions count. Also, prior to its release, 10.5.2 needs to be exhaustively tested secretly by Apple on Penryn MBP's - hence little glimpses of MBP 4,1 showing up in logs and hence no 10.5.2 has turned up when all known issues now seem resolved.
With the emphasis on performance with the MBP's, a none-to-favourable comparison would be made with the Air if released too soon. It works better for sales to at least get the Airs in store and out prior to the MBP's arrival. After all they say you do need to see the Air to appreciate it.
Once the OS update is out, there would seem little to delay the MBP release other than Air-space and supply-lines. If correct, it all works rather elegantly in Apple's favour and ultimately ours as well.
Oh it was much better than that. They had a MB, MBP, and iPhone. On top of that, House mentioned Steve Jobs by name. Impressive, no?
3!
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenmeanie
Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?
you, you and me are three!
(simultaneously)
edit:
oops, missed the previous #3 post.. that makes us four, but can't think of an appropriate Chef-song...
Quote:
Originally Posted by greenmeanie
Am I the only one who could care less about multi touch?
No, we are two
you, you and me are three!
(simultaneously
)edit:
oops, missed the previous #3 post.. that makes us four, but can't think of an appropriate Chef-song...
I wouldn't be, becuase that is exactly what I am expecting, and a lot of people here are expecting from the update too. This update is less about actual performance, and is more about letting the macbook pro stay competitive with other companies in the hardware department
<Darth Vader voice>
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
</Darth Vader voice>
Please don't redesign. If you think, you are in for a redesign, please Ive and Jobs, do something very revolutionary:
MAKE IT THICKER! (sic)
Me don't want a shiny thin new Macbook Pro, me want a nice powerful machine. I don't care if you give me noisier, thicker fans, as long as this thing doesn't get that damn hot (sheesh, I thought my Alu PB was bad, but I heard Mac laptops are getting worse temperaturewise with every iteration).
Please put in a capable (and I mean it like that) gfx card. And do not forget to put in that HDMI-port. Go ahead, strip that bloody DVI, sell a HDMI-DVI dongle if you like, but peeeleaaaaze HDMI.
Oh wait, redesign...yeah, give me some nice carbon around the display. Actually that'd look cool and maybe I don't have these bloody WiFi-signeals anymore.
And while we are at it -> Black keys are the worst design decision Apple ever made. The MBA looks so...dare I say it...disgusting. Really sexy outside, but as yoon as you see it open, the thick latch and the black keys totally ruin it.
Have I talked about a matte option?...Hmmm, I guess Apple better get their act together, or I'll better wait for Montevina
Have I talked about a matte option?...Hmmm, I guess Apple better get their act together, or I'll better wait for Montevina
last time i checked you could purchase the mbp already with a matte screen?
THIS. I don't want something revolutionary. I just want something that is better than June 2007.
Anyone expecting more than a processor and graphics memory upgrade and maybe multitouch on the trackpad are expecting too much. We didn't even see that much of a revision in style going from the Powerbook to the Macbook Pro, why the hell would you expect to see one now?
Personally, I always think it's nice to have the newest revision but I don't know where I'd be if I hadn't bought my MBP over the summer (right after the last revision). New and shiny is nice but I'm expecting this machine to be a workhorse for a long time to come.
Personally, I always think it's nice to have the newest revision but I don't know where I'd be if I hadn't bought my MBP over the summer (right after the last revision). New and shiny is nice but I'm expecting this machine to be a workhorse for a long time to come.
exactly! It's the crazy nuts who are expecting an 8800 SLI or a quad core processor or something like that who are giving the waiting crew for the MBP a bad name
Let's hope they keep doing that in all future Macs!
His stats for his battery are the best in the group!
You will not see 8700m or 8800m. They are too large and produce too much heat.
We may see Mobility HD 3600, but I don't know how big of a performance increase that will mean (slight, likely).
As for Montevina questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevina#Montevina_platform_.282008.29
So, yeah it has some nice stuff coming, and you will see some increase from a faster FSB, but the 800mhz memory won't be any faster. DDR3 is a power saver, but its latency is higher, so its advantage is only for higher frequencies that DDR2 can't come close to (1066+). If you are willing to wait for Montevina, you'd be stupid to not wait for Nehalem. That chip re-design will be a monster. We will see netburst to core like performance gains. It will have quickpath technology, faster DDR 3, and an integrated memory controller. I have geek fantasies just thinking about the 32nm version of that chip (8 cores on one die :O )
We may see Mobility HD 3600, but I don't know how big of a performance increase that will mean (slight, likely).
As for Montevina questions:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montevina#Montevina_platform_.282008.29
So, yeah it has some nice stuff coming, and you will see some increase from a faster FSB, but the 800mhz memory won't be any faster. DDR3 is a power saver, but its latency is higher, so its advantage is only for higher frequencies that DDR2 can't come close to (1066+). If you are willing to wait for Montevina, you'd be stupid to not wait for Nehalem. That chip re-design will be a monster. We will see netburst to core like performance gains. It will have quickpath technology, faster DDR 3, and an integrated memory controller. I have geek fantasies just thinking about the 32nm version of that chip (8 cores on one die :O )
Timing
I expect to see a new color choice of Black.
I expect the new cpu (Penryn) and an option for SSD.
There is a possibility of a larger touchpad for multitouch - but I don't expect anything more than this.
I agree with this. I actually expect the MBP to be released in the next quarter (April) because of Apples low guidance for THIS quarter.
I expect to see a new color choice of Black.
I expect the new cpu (Penryn) and an option for SSD.
There is a possibility of a larger touchpad for multitouch - but I don't expect anything more than this.
I think that Apple will find it hard to actually improve the design if they do decide to go for a full on redesign.
Short of making it a little bit thinner, there's not much they could do without resorting to something stupid for the sake of saying it's "new".
Short of making it a little bit thinner, there's not much they could do without resorting to something stupid for the sake of saying it's "new".
Get a DVI -> HDMI adapter and plug your MBP straight into any HDMI device.
The only better mobile graphics cards than the one in the MBP are the ones that generate so much heat you only find them in the 2" thick, 10 lb. class of "laptops." If that's what you want, let me off your train! In any case, it doesn't make sense for Apple to release that sort of "laptop," because the only people who buy them are hardcore PC gamers who disdain both Apple and OS X.
And carbon around the display? That would be a good way to make a pretty Mac look like those ugly HPs. Please, no. The wireless reception issues that afflicted 15" and 17" PowerBooks are largely gone on the MBP. (Software issues are a different matter, but those don't have anything to do with the case material and afflict MBPs and MacBooks equally.)