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- Updates are available as soon as Apple releases them. Less than half of the Android phones out there have gotten Froyo. Many will never get it. Are any on Gingerbread? Rooting and custom ROM install don't count for this because the average person doesn't do that. I could put 4.3 beta on my iPhone now if I wanted, but I don't count that, either. Apple's really the first time any vendor has been able to do that with OS updates for the phone, AND they support phones older than 2 years old with updates. They've spoiled me here. My old 3G may not have all the latest features available, but that's a limitation of the hardware itself, and I can accept that. Lack of Android updates for devices is mostly a lack of support interest by the maker. They'd prefer that you buy a new phone, which suggests a "throwaway" feel to the whole Android line.

Apple can release updates so easily because there is only ONE phone, Android has a hundred different variations, that come with different manufacturers UI's, and different hardware, and different radios for carriers. So very difficult to release a new update, with so many changes each manufacturer has to make before they release it to customers.

The best comparison to the iPhone for Android would be the "Nexus" branded phones, those are the "pure Google Android experience" as they say, it is untouched by carrier bloatware, and no funny UI's, it is like the iPhone in that regard. And they get updated first and fast.

I actually really like the Nexus brand, it just sucks it's on T-Mobile. I bought the Nexus-S this Christmas, was a beautiful phone, very lightweight, and small form factor like the iPhone, with an awesome colorful screen, and with 2.3 Gingerbread it was blazing fast and silky smooth, and it comes "untouched" just pure Android, no bloatware. My EVO felt like a brick compared to the Nexus-S. The killer was T-Mobile for me, spotty and crappy service, I returned it in 2 weeks sadly.

Bottom line, the Nexus-S is the closest thing to the iPhone for Android. Just wish they sold it on more carriers.
 
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I don't hate iPhone, used to be a huge fan few years ago, just think that Android is better right now, and hoping the iPhone-next this Summer makes some good changes, and I will be back. If the iPhone-next has a 4" screen, adds Widgets, and adds Notifications I will be first in line. If not then I will get the next Nexus phone or an EVO-2. Simple as that.

I think both phones have their pluses and minuses, just to me Android has more pluses currently, but in the tech industry that can easily change around fast.
 
Apple can release updates so easily because there is only ONE phone, Android has a hundred different variations, that come with different manufacturers UI's, and different hardware, and different radios for carriers. So very difficult to release a new update, with so many changes each manufacturer has to make before they release it to customers.

The best comparison to the iPhone for Android would be the "Nexus" branded phones, those are the "pure Google Android experience" as they say, it is untouched by carrier bloatware, and no funny UI's, it is like the iPhone in that regard. And they get updated first and fast.

So why is Nexus One is still waiting for Gingerbread?
 
So why is Nexus One is still waiting for Gingerbread?

Didn't realize it never got the 2.3 update, don't follow that phone anymore. Google said it would get the update a few weeks after the Nexus-S. That's is pretty crappy if it didn't yet. Would like to know the hold up ?

Everyone thought the Nexus-One would get the update same week as the Nexus-S came out. But then Google said there was an issue with 2.3 on the N-One and was delayed slightly would come out in a few weeks. I just assumed it came out already.
 
- Updates are available as soon as Apple releases them.

Unfortunately, iOS updates are not done OTA. A user has to plug into iTunes to notice and download them. Many people rarely do this once they're set up.

So it took months for more than half of iOS users to upgrade to a 4.x version. Heck, it took months before Apple even released v4 for the iPad.

Less than half of the Android phones out there have gotten Froyo. Many will never get it.

  • 58% of Android phones are running 2.2 (Froyo)
  • 53% of iOS devices are running 4.2.1.
More importantly:
  • 90% of Android devices are on 2.x.
  • 90% of iOS devices are on 4.x.

Android source: Google. iOS source: Bump CEO

Many will never get it.

Likewise, many iOS devices can never get 4.x. Even those that do, might not be able to use all its features.

The upshot is, all OSes get fragmented. All that matters to developers is what the lowest common capabilities are for the target audience that they want to hit. For instance, they can count on multitasking with Android devices.
 
Android is fragmented trash. Poor battery life, laggy UI, and a terrible marketplace are all reasons to stay away.

And to the guy above me talking about how iOS is comparably fragmented, I challenge you to show me a single iOS device that has been released without the latest firmware. This happens every week on android and will never change. THAT is fragmentation. The iPhone 2G not recieving 4.x is obsolescence.

The best news this week was seeing how in 2 hours of iPhone preordering existing verizon customers destroyed the 1 day sales record of EVERY phone ever released on Verizon, including all their android flavors of the month.

Edit: And excuse me for being harsh but the OPs thread was obvious flame bait. Yet another insecure android fanboy with buyer's remorse slumming it up in iPhone forums.
 
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I love how the OP refers to the XDA developers forums as "one of the best tech sites in the world".

Went there once, ugly-looking forums and all these guys were really struggling to make good use and sense of the dying WinMo 6.5 back then. So now it's turned into a Phandroid lair? ;)
 
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Apple can release updates so easily because there is only ONE phone, Android has a hundred different variations, that come with different manufacturers UI's, and different hardware, and different radios for carriers. So very difficult to release a new update, with so many changes each manufacturer has to make before they release it to customers.

And that's part and parcel of the Android experience. Fragmentation. Inability to tailor the OS to the hardware. Lack of updates, because they're gated by the phone manufacturer and the carrier. Stability problems due to multiple hardware platforms.

The funniest thing about Android fanboys is that they come onto common forums (Engadget, Gizmodo, etc.) and crow about their choice and freedom and open source community; then they go onto the Android boards (Android Central, Phandroid, Android Police) and cry about their stability problems, locked boot loaders, lack of updates, etc.

They like to highlight iPhone antenna-gate and the alarm clock bug, but Android routinely suffers bugs that make those look like a joke (SMS to the wrong recipient, delete all SMS, security leak of all SD contents, no GPS lock <-- Nexus S, random reboots <-- also Nexus S). And on top of that, the patches for those bugs are slow in coming, or never come. Only the Nexus One and S have been updated to fix the SMS bugs. All other handsets are still waiting. If this happened on iOS, it would be on the front page of every tech site. With Android, it's just expected.

The best comparison to the iPhone for Android would be the "Nexus" branded phones, those are the "pure Google Android experience" as they say, it is untouched by carrier bloatware, and no funny UI's, it is like the iPhone in that regard. And they get updated first and fast.

You can't have it both ways. You started this thread beating your chest about how great your HTC EVO was, but now we're not supposed to compare it to the iPhone in terms of update speed because it's not supported by Google directly.

Nexus Ones are still waiting for the 2.3 Gingerbread update, while iPhone 3GS's are update at the same time iPhone 4's are.
 
#1. No argument there.

#2. If you rooted your Android based phone and jacked it up somehow would you be able to take it to the vendor to have it fixed or could you do the same thing as is done on the iPhone and reinstall?

#3. All phones will eventually look the same. Most will find the 4" screen size to be perfect and most users will not bother customizing their Android phones which means the lock screen and other screens will look the same. If all you are looking to be is trendy/cool then bring back the Motorola Startac. You will be the epitome of a hipster.

I use to have a startac.....boy I thought i was the coolest kid on the block lol:cool:
 
Wrapping up this thread.

To me Android is like the rock band U2, I liked them when they first started, and like them even more now, they age like fine wine.

And iPhone is like StarWars movies. At first they the best sci/fi movies, with good storylines, but the newer ones blow, and got stale, and the anticipation for the new weekly TV series in 2012, is very low on my radar, not expecting much anymore. The iPhone1 was Bobba Fett from Empire, the iPhone4 is Jar Jar Binks.
 
Wrapping up this thread.

To me Android is like the rock band U2, I liked them when they first started, and like them even more now, they age like fine wine.

And iPhone is like StarWars movies. At first they the best sci/fi movies, with good storylines, but the newer ones blow, and got stale, and the anticipation for the new weekly TV series in 2012, is very low on my radar, not expecting much anymore. The iPhone1 was Bobba Fett from Empire, the iPhone4 is Jar Jar Binks.

Your U2 comparison is pretty accurate, great band when they started, but now their lead singer is running all over the world sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Kinda like the spyware on Android apps.
 
Your U2 comparison is pretty accurate, great band when they started, but now their lead singer is running all over the world sticking his nose where it doesn't belong. Kinda like the spyware on Android apps.

Loool >EPIC<

YMMD!
 
It probably is more durable, but it is also less pretty. Apple has kind of messed up the durability with the glass back. However, my iPhone 4 still looks as good as the day I bought it. I have no scratches on either glass, and the only case I have is the Apple bumper I got for free. No other phone I've owned has been able to do that.

Plain and simple, glass scratches. Essentially, the glass will scratch in some way. Even the bumpers causes scratches around the edges, and there have been numerous threads of bumpers scratching the iPhone4. Additionally, there is no proof that the glass actually uses 'Gorilla Glass' by Corning.


This sounds like a huge security hole. All I need to do is steal your phone info, and I can install anything I want on your phone without your consent or knowledge. A real security researcher has already noted this, too. I hope Google fixes this fast so you have to approve or something on the phone before the app installs.

I wouldn't consider this as a huge security hole. If the phone is stolen, all the user has to do is change his/her gmail password. And what possible malicious harm would said person do if thief installs applications from the appstore?

I had that on my Treo. I don't miss it on my iPhone. But then usually I have an email or something waiting, so the light would always be on anyway.

Just your personal preference. Whats great is that there are Android phones with LED notification support, and is used HEAVILY by blackberry users and non-blackberry users alike. Seems like you're making an excuse by saying 'the light would always be on anyways.' It wouldn't stay as a solid light. it would be blinking by the way.

Meaning what? I've gone a full 2 days with my iPhone 4 with normal usage. Can the same be said for the EVO?

I can't personally speak for the EVO, but the DroidX can definitely go through 2 full days of normal usage.

I did this with my Treo. It was nice to get the longer life. My iPhone 4 outlasts my old Treo's battery life by a full day. I don't need a bigger battery anymore, and I'm glad I don't have the extra bulk, either. Also it is extra cost, so it increases the overall cost of the phone. Anyway, this is really moot because you can buy an external battery to increase the battery life of an iPhone. It doesn't require you to replace the battery and reboot the phone in the process, either.

Again, this is more of a personal preference. As stated before, the option is there to install expanded battery on Android's if needed. Its not mandatory, but the option is there, something the iPhone community cannot get. And so what if it costs extra money? Does it not cost extra money to replace the iPhone battery? User has to get it repaired, which costs a fee. The idea of it being 'moot' is a bit over the top. iPhone users are #1 in terms of purchasing accessories for their smartphone, even basic essentials like a USB dongle for USB support. Additionally, the 'external battery' you speak of for the iPhone is from a 3rd party vendor, adding a lot of weight to the iPhone. Expanded batteries for Android can be easily installed with no external bulk showing, and can be purchased from their carrier / handset maker

And extra cost. Remember, you have to buy those extra cards, so they increase the overall price of the phone. I only bought one for my Treo and never replaced it. I was too worried about losing any extra cards if I carried them, so it was never a useful feature for me.

Again, the option is there. An SD card is dirt cheap these days, and are cheaper than most iPhone accessories already available. Furthermore, Apple purchasers buy tons of accessories. I assure you, if the iPhone had replaceable batteries and SD card support, it would be an added benefit for the iPhone. Sadly this isn't the case.

Copying files and folders is NOT "boom, you're done" in comparison. It's a slow, tedious, slogging through the mud march.

Actually, it is boom and you're done. iTunes requires quite a hefty amount of resources (150+ megs of ram) to be used. I've used iTunes on mainstream desktop computers, especially on Windows OS and its cumbersome to use. The fact that a user doesn't have to install 3rd party bloatware on their computer is an added benefit for Android users. Its VERY easy to drag and drop folders onto your SD card.

Screen size doesn't matter if the resolution is less. No Android phone has yet matched the iPhone 4 resolution. Therefore the iPhone 4 has the most screen real estate. It just doesn't have the biggest physical screen. Also, bigger screen means it is less comfortable in my pocket, assuming it isn't too big to fit. That's a personal preference, though.

Screen size does matter, even if the resolution is less. The added real estate on my droidx is one of the primary reasons im sticking with it. No, the iPhone doesnt have more real estate, even if the resolution is higher. One does not need to pinch and zoom quite as frequently on a smaller screen to read text. You're still going to have to be pinching and zooming to see that clear text. The resolution of the droidX does 840p, iPhone4 960p. The difference in resolution isn't marked enough for me to put the DroidX as a 'dealbreaker.' I love how I can read webpages on a 4.3 inch screen allowing me to read more without having to scroll/pinch-zoom as much.


Root - shouldn't be necessary. Undervolt - shouldn't be necessary. Neither are for my use of my 4. The others above that would be nice on the iPhone, especially the better Maps. I think Google is a bit biased, though. Other than HDMI out, those features may be available with apps. I haven't looked, so I can't say for sure.

Right, its not necessary, but the option is there. But chances are, if one is on a macrumors site, following up on the latest and greatest tools/tweaks for the iPhone, its quite possible that said user might get into rooting/jailbreaking. I don't deny the fact that the iPhone4 experience for a layman user is superior than that of an Android phone. I don't deny that at all. But if you're a power user and you're on iPhone, I find that to be limiting the potential of what one can do.

Updates are available as soon as Apple releases them. Less than half of the Android phones out there have gotten Froyo. Many will never get it. Are any on Gingerbread? Lack of Android updates for devices is mostly a lack of support interest by the maker. They'd prefer that you buy a new phone, which suggests a "throwaway" feel to the whole Android line.

As stated by other users, not all iPhones are on 4.2. Additionally, there are tons of android handset makers out there. the same can be said about the iPhone having a throwaway feel to it. Their phones come out every year on the clock. The problem of 'lack of OS updates' on Android is a handset maker issue, not Google. Almost half of Android users are now on Froyo 2.2, with the main issue being with Samsung, who seems incapable of providing 2.2 update to the galaxy S line of phones.

Finally, theres always talk of 'Android fragmentation' yet fragmentation exists on iOS. First and foremost, theres more iOS versions than Android OS. Secondly, developing for an iPhone before 3GS is a huge endeavor, as the hardware doesn't match with the 3GS and iPhone4. Yes, fragmentation exists on the Android line of phones, but lets not forget that not all iPhone users update their phones to the latest and greatest iPhone.

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Serves me better than my iphone 4 does. It's all about personal use.

I use it for business and personal, and the phone plain works while the Android EVO 4G had many issues.

And we have many other users who have Android phones, and they are always complaining about stuff not working properly. Sometimes it looses sync with our exchange server and you have to remove the account and re-add them.

They just have issues period. Like some say, they are so fragmented that they all act differently.
 
I just came across this thread on one of the best tech sites on the planet; XDA. The poster asked a simple question, would you sell your current Android device for a new iPhone4, and the replies were great, no smart asses, just solid reasons on why it would be a major downgrade.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=934772

I would like to hear solid replies why you already have, or plan to buy an iPhone4 over a new flagship Android device like the, HTC-Thunderbolt, EVO 4G or Nexus-S ?

I'd love to reply to this. Both android and iphone have their pros and cons. Android is much more customizable, has more bleeding edge/advanced feature sets, and has adobe flash for a more complete web browsing experience. However, android also has worse battery life, and more software issues, "force closes", random reboots, freezing, etc.

Iphone is the "just works" device with a smoother os, less problems, better battery life, and more and better apps. The Iphone is a little more boring, and doesn't have flash, so web browsing by default is more limited than with Android. At this point, I will personally give Android another year, and if I'm still dealing with the poor battery life, and force closes, freezing, etc of Android phones, I will gladly join Team Iphone. My wife has already made the change, and I don't blame her one bit.
 
This is just silly. How about everyone buy what ever they want. And then stop trying to make an argue that what ever it is they bought is the best and here is why. Just like everything else it comes down to personal taste. You'll never convince an Apple fanboy that Android is better and vice versa
 
I'm loving the idea that you do not want something because lots of other people have it. Is this some form of reverse snobbery? Pick a phone because it does what you want or need it to do. Don't pick a phone because it makes you look trendy.

I want a phone that does what I want easily and seamlessly. The closed garden thing means that I don't tend to get crap apps. I'm also less likely to get apps that cream off my data. As yet I haven't felt limited by Uncle Steve's itunes store. When I do I will either jailbreak or get another phone.

Thank you, well said.
 
I added my opinion. As a former android owner, I am happy with my switch to the iPhone.

http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=11318527&postcount=64

THanks for the post link :) I am big on XDA too.

But I am seriously, god forbid, thinking of ditching the EVO for the #1 reason BATTERY LIFE SUCKS BALLS :mad:

I am rooted, with a cool custom ROM, and it is supposed to move all the bloatware, and I have all kernels, PRI's and everything set to the best battery saver, as well as an app called "Juice Defender" supposed to really do some hard work in the back ground to help save battery life. And I also bought a higher capacity battery at Best Buy a 1750mz, that still fits inside the stock phone.

After saying all that, my battery drains like leaving the water faucet on. This phone needs an extension cored plugged in 24/7. And I LOVE Android phones, but everyone I have owned just sucks the battery life in about half a day. I have just about had enough with this already.

But the iPhone's tiny wristwatch 3.5" screen would be difficult to get used too. But on the other hand, sometimes my 4.3" is too big, hard time navigating phone with one hand, thumb can't reach to the top corners sometimes.
 
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And here I thought your EVO experience was all unicorns and rainbows :rolleyes:

The EVO rocks, love this phone, even more so after trying out some really cool ROM's. But the battery life just blows, unless you go hardcore with those extended 3500mz batteries, that need a different case because it is so big sticks out the back, makes the back of the phone look 9 months pregnant, and to me that is just ridiculous, makes the phone a true brick at that point.

My battery life is much better with my custom ROM, compared to a stock EVO it is night and day. But a stock EVO only gets 4hours 3G talk time, a complete joke, with a good ROM you can get much much more out of it, which I do. But still needs tons of tweaks and special coding and rooting, and installing zip files, and running command codes to change files, etc...Have to do all that just to get it to match or beat the iPhone4 battery life.

And the early rumors for the iPhone5, is that Apple has spent a ton of R&D on next gen batteries, will blow any smart phone out of the water with the new battery found in the iPhone5, I doubt Android will have anything like that, from what I am reading.
 
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The closed garden thing means that I don't tend to get crap apps. I'm also less likely to get apps that cream off my data.

Ignorance is bliss, but...

The last data I saw from the App Genome Project showed that iPhone apps are more likely to be skimming data than Android apps.

There've been some high profile cases of iPhone apps sending our name, number, Facebook derived age and sex, etc to sales groups.

The point is, most systems have risks, and you should never believe yourself to be totally safe.
 
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