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During her keynote speech at CES today, AMD head Lisa Su announced Radeon VII, which is a second generation Vega card using 7nm technology. She said that it has 16GB memory and will improve performance over Vega 64 for DaVinci Resolve and Premier Pro by up to 27% and 29% respectively.

Launch date for the reference card is February 7. Price is US$700, bundled with three games. No mention of custom cards by Sapphire, Asus, etc.

She said nothing about Navi, except that further announcements are coming over the course of the year.

More details on Radeon VII from...

AnandTech: https://www.anandtech.com/show/13832/amd-radeon-vii-high-end-7nm-february-7th-for-699

The Verge: https://www.theverge.com/2019/1/9/18175493/amd-announces-radeon-vii-next-generation-graphics-gpu

An incredibly disappointing GPU, rendered absolutely useless for non-Mac users. The RTX 2080 is better in almost every way (except pure VRAM, which is irrelevant for most uses except some content production/editing etc), and the prices are the same. AMD are known for competing on price, not performance. This new card is neither. If the mainstream 7nm GPUS are this disappointing, AMD is done in terms of GPUs.
 
In other news, NVIDIA has recently and publicly stated that Mojave drivers are coming soon, whatever that truly means. Still, it's a positive development. Also, the Apple/NVIDIA petition continues to slowly accumulate new signers: https://www.change.org/p/tim-cook-a...-work-with-nvidia-on-drivers-for-mac-os-10-14

I saw a post on the nVidia forums about that.

I may stick to ProRender if it means I can use my Mac without any weird scripts. My eGPU and Vega 64 really do work very smoothly together.
 
It looks now like AMD won’t make an announcement on Navi rollout until at least Computex in Taiwan June 5 - 9.

I think that pricing on RX 580, 590, Vega 56 and Vega 64 cards will remain close to current street prices if the new Radeon VII reference card succeeds at US$700 (and possibly somewhat higher for certain of the custom cards, especially those by Asus and Sapphire, whenever they materialise). By “street prices”, I’m talking about prices at which I think sales are actually taking place as distinct from outlier prices at which it is doubtful that people are buying. I think that “sale prices”, except for the RX 590, are becoming the norm for actual transactions.

I’m interested in what tests show is the impact of 16GB of memory. Its usefulness for most games is not obvious. There’s already speculation about a Radeon VII 8GB version targeted at gamers, which if it happens really could throw a wrench into pricing.

As someone who has only limited experience with gaming, Lisa Su made a comment during her presentation that I found interesting. She said that 2/3 of gamers are playing at 1920x1080 resolution. Makes me wonder what AMD’s thinking is behind this card, who the target market is and whether this card is about making money or instead mostly about staying in the game.
[doublepost=1547077311][/doublepost]Gamers Nexus with a bunch of technical info on the Radeon VII based on discussion with AMD reps (00:50 - 05:25):

 
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Hello all,
I'm really struggling and I'd appreciate some help. I have a 2018 Mini and an LG Ultrafine 4k (I bought this before realising I'd have compatibility issues with an external GPU).
I've recently purchased a Razer Core X and Vega 64. I'm struggling to get my Vega+Core to directly drive my display (without my Mini being the middle-man). I have a USB C to HDMI adapater plugged into my LG, which is connected via HDMI cable to my core (after receiving a reply from my original post). Obviously, I have a Thunderbolt cable running to my Mini too. However, still no joy. Any advice?
 
Hello all,
I'm really struggling and I'd appreciate some help. I have a 2018 Mini and an LG Ultrafine 4k (I bought this before realising I'd have compatibility issues with an external GPU).
I've recently purchased a Razer Core X and Vega 64. I'm struggling to get my Vega+Core to directly drive my display (without my Mini being the middle-man). I have a USB C to HDMI adapater plugged into my LG, which is connected via HDMI cable to my core (after receiving a reply from my original post). Obviously, I have a Thunderbolt cable running to my Mini too. However, still no joy. Any advice?

If I’m understanding what you wrote correctly, you’re trying to go from HDMI out to DP in. This won’t work with a passive USB C to HDMI adapter. HDMI signaling is different from DP signaling, and HDMI outputs don’t ordinarilly have the ability to do both (but DP outputs often do).

The easiest (and best solution) for you would be to get the correct cable - either HDMI to HDMI or Display Port to Display Port. In general, you should prefer Display Port.
 
Hello all,
I'm really struggling and I'd appreciate some help. I have a 2018 Mini and an LG Ultrafine 4k (I bought this before realising I'd have compatibility issues with an external GPU).
I've recently purchased a Razer Core X and Vega 64. I'm struggling to get my Vega+Core to directly drive my display (without my Mini being the middle-man). I have a USB C to HDMI adapater plugged into my LG, which is connected via HDMI cable to my core (after receiving a reply from my original post). Obviously, I have a Thunderbolt cable running to my Mini too. However, still no joy. Any advice?


There are a few discussions elsewhere and the gist of it seems to be that it is not a simple problem to solve as the LG UltraFine doesn’t look to be using straight DisplayPort.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/9mwhrm/i_want_to_connect_an_egpu_to_an_lg_ultrafine_4k/

There is a PCI-e card that will do the conversion from DisplayPort to USB-c for you (Sunix UPD2018), but you’d need somewhere else to plug that or power it from.

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/mac-mini-egpu-lg-ultrafine-4k/#post-48350
 
There are a few discussions elsewhere and the gist of it seems to be that it is not a simple problem to solve as the LG UltraFine doesn’t look to be using straight DisplayPort.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/9mwhrm/i_want_to_connect_an_egpu_to_an_lg_ultrafine_4k/

There is a PCI-e card that will do the conversion from DisplayPort to USB-c for you (Sunix UPD2018), but you’d need somewhere else to plug that or power it from.

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/mac-mini-egpu-lg-ultrafine-4k/#post-48350

Ug, yep, my bad on the previous reply. Just like the LG 5K, OP is up a tree with regular eGPU and the LG 4K too.
 
Would an egpu be beneficial when working in Adobe Photoshop? When I use my windows machine with 1070 there is absolutely no lag or stutter when panning or zooming with a large 2-4gb photo. Using my 2016 Macbook pro connected to my 4k monitor is almost un usable. I'd like to move back to osx but need to know if i can get the same video performance as my windows machine.
 
Would an egpu be beneficial when working in Adobe Photoshop? When I use my windows machine with 1070 there is absolutely no lag or stutter when panning or zooming with a large 2-4gb photo. Using my 2016 Macbook pro connected to my 4k monitor is almost un usable. I'd like to move back to osx but need to know if i can get the same video performance as my windows machine.

With your 2016 MacBook Pro or something else? If the MacBook, what are its specs? What are your Windows CPU specs? What are you doing to and with the files?

You might find it useful to read some of this thread, which addresses the basic issues that you are implicitly raising. It’s not like this is the first time that using an eGPU with Photoshop/Lightroom has come up. Might save you time and make it easier for others to be helpful. Just a suggestion.
 
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There are a few discussions elsewhere and the gist of it seems to be that it is not a simple problem to solve as the LG UltraFine doesn’t look to be using straight DisplayPort.

https://www.reddit.com/r/eGPU/comments/9mwhrm/i_want_to_connect_an_egpu_to_an_lg_ultrafine_4k/

There is a PCI-e card that will do the conversion from DisplayPort to USB-c for you (Sunix UPD2018), but you’d need somewhere else to plug that or power it from.

https://egpu.io/forums/mac-setup/mac-mini-egpu-lg-ultrafine-4k/#post-48350

Brill, thanks for your help.
 
With your 2016 MacBook Pro or something else? If the MacBook, what are its specs? What are your Windows CPU specs? What are you doing to and with the files?

You might find it useful to read some of this thread, which addresses the basic issues that you are implicitly raising. It’s not like this is the first time that using an eGPU with Photoshop/Lightroom has come up. Might save you time and make it easier for others to be helpful. Just a suggestion.

I'd be using it with my Macbook pro. 2016 Full spec i7 2.9ghz 16gb ram 2tb hard drive. Pc Specs, Ryzen 1800x 32gb ram gtx 1070. I I know the PC is probably going to be faster but i'm wondering if I can get similar performance with my macbook pro + egpu...
 
I'd be using it with my Macbook pro. 2016 Full spec i7 2.9ghz 16gb ram 2tb hard drive. Pc Specs, Ryzen 1800x 32gb ram gtx 1070. I I know the PC is probably going to be faster but i'm wondering if I can get similar performance with my macbook pro + egpu...

It's still really hard to respond without knowing what you are doing in Photoshop to and with the files.

You may find it useful to read Adobe's support documents on how Photoshop and Lightroom use a GPU. You can get the links to these documents with either a Google search or a search in this thread, where there are at least two posts, that I know of, containing the relevant Adobe links.

There are also a number of posts in this thread in which people have talked about using an external video card with photo editing software. In addition, there is a recent, relevant post in the MacRumors Digital Photography forum by @stillcrazyman , who uses ON1 for photo editing and also contributes here.

Maybe you'll find somebody here who will try to answer questions that don't include basic information, and who will do dead simple searches, or browse, for you, but it isn't going to be me.

I will offer this response to your questions from earlier in the thread. Judging from your web site and portfolio, which I've looked at, it might make sense to you: https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/external-gpu-egpu-resources.2154653/page-13#post-26907392

Cheers
 
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This thread is really useful - thanks!

I was all set to buy an AMD Vega 56 with Asus Station Pro as a result of the advice but it hasn't been so straightforward to procure them and I have some questions.

Firstly, Overclockers has the Power colour Red Dragon for £319.99, the Sapphire at £314.99 and the Asus Strix at £359.99. Which is the best to go with?

Secondly, the Asus Station Pro does not seem like something that I can obtain easily and for less than £400 in the UK which is a shame as I was quite convinced by it. Is there anything comparable to it size and features wise that I might get for cheaper here?
 
This thread is really useful - thanks!

I was all set to buy an AMD Vega 56 with Asus Station Pro as a result of the advice but it hasn't been so straightforward to procure them and I have some questions.

Firstly, Overclockers has the Power colour Red Dragon for £319.99, the Sapphire at £314.99 and the Asus Strix at £359.99. Which is the best to go with?

Secondly, the Asus Station Pro does not seem like something that I can obtain easily and for less than £400 in the UK which is a shame as I was quite convinced by it. Is there anything comparable to it size and features wise that I might get for cheaper here?
Why not get the Razer Core X? Can take a Vega 64 and is 'only' £260. Cheapest eGPU here in the UK, and a very good one from what I have read. Only downside is that it is ****ing massive. Way too big for my liking but hey ho.
 
@Tomguin Sapphire sells four different versions of the Vega 56. Which one is it? Put differently, does it have one fan, two fans or three?

Re @gusping 's comment on the Vega 64, please note that at least one of the Sapphire Vega 64 models requires three 8-pin connectors, so if you're going to purchase one of their 64s, be on the lookout for that.
 
Ooft, blower cards. Horrible GPUs. They really do run at 80+ pretty easily.

I think the commenter was referring to:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-193-pc.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ess-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html

I've only ever had one sapphire GPU before in the very first PC I got over a decade ago. Never heard much about Powercolor (should be Powercolour :p)
 
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Ooft, blower cards. Horrible GPUs. They really do run at 80+ pretty easily.

I think the commenter was referring to:

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/powe...hbm2-pci-express-graphics-card-gx-193-pc.html

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/sapp...ess-graphics-card-11276-02-40g-gx-38f-sp.html

I've only ever had one sapphire GPU before in the very first PC I got over a decade ago. Never heard much about Powercolor (should be Powercolour :p)

So these? There should be plenty of reviews on the net and YouTube on all three. Off the cuff, I'd be inclined toward the two with three fans (Asus & PowerColor), and I note that the Asus has a three year warranty.


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Why not get the Razer Core X? Can take a Vega 64 and is 'only' £260. Cheapest eGPU here in the UK, and a very good one from what I have read. Only downside is that it is ****ing massive. Way too big for my liking but hey ho.
Yeah I was originally thinking of Vega 64 and Razor Core X but I'm trying to be sensible in termsof price and size.

F-train put a compelling case forward for the 56 and Asus Pro but I am being thwarted by the availability of the Asus Pro here!
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So these? There should be plenty of reviews on the net and YouTube on all three. Off the cuff, I'd be inclined toward the two with three fans, and I note that the Asus has a three year warranty.


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Thanks both. Yea those are the ones. I'm glad I asked - didn't realise there were so many variants! The PowerColor price is definitely a plus.
 
Yeah I was originally thinking of Vega 64 and Razor Core X but I'm trying to be sensible in termsof price and size.

F-train put a compelling case forward for the 56 and Asus Pro but I am being thwarted by the availability of the Asus Pro here!
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Thanks both. Yea those are the ones. I'm glad I asked - didn't realise there were so many variants! The PowerColor price is definitely a plus.

I really liked the Sapphire Nitro+ RX 590 that I had, but it's worth noting that this one is the "Pulse", which is in the middle of their range. The Asus is identical to the one that I have, except that the name changed last spring to AREZ Strix from ROG Strix. So I guess that it's new old stock, maybe something that you could raise with the vendor. As you say, the price of the PowerColor is attractive, and it seems to get good consumer reviews here.
[doublepost=1547763879][/doublepost]Re the Asus XG Station Pro, it does look like UK prices, ex-VAT, are high. Price on the continent seems a bit high too, although awhile ago I saw some competitive pricing there. If Asus lets Amazon U.S. ship to the U.K., the U.S. price is $330, and Amazon has one with damaged packaging for $290. B&H will definitely ship at a price of $330.

Otherwise, there are lots of other options. In addition to Razer, I imagine that Sonnet and OWC would be happy to ship overseas. B&H sells Sonnet as well as the Asus enclosure. If you wind up with an enclosure with a .5m TB3 cable, and you want longer, figure on an additional ~US$60 before tax in outlay.
 
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AMD has started sending out e-mails on activation of the three games that recent purchasers of its GPUs are getting. First up is Resident Evil 2. Devil May Cry 5 and Tom Clancey's The Division 2 are still to come.

I guess it's time to decide whether to install Boot Camp and Windows 10 (US$140), seeing as how these games don't work on macOS.




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AMD has started sending out e-mails on activation of the three games that recent purchasers of its GPUs are getting. First up is Resident Evil 2. Devil May Cry 5 and Tom Clancey's The Division 2 are still to come.

I guess it's time to decide whether to install Boot Camp and Windows 10 (US$140), seeing as how these games don't work on macOS.

This post is not about eGPUs, but may be of interest to people who have purchased one and are considering a Boot Camp installation of Windows.

Using Boot Camp Assistant from macOS Utilities, I installed Windows 10 Home, 64-bit, from the ISO file here: https://www.microsoft.com/en-gb/software-download/windows10ISO The ISO file can be downloaded to the usual download folder. There is no need for a USB flash drive.

I installed the October 2018 rather than April 2018 build. Because there were apparently issues with installing the October build via Boot Camp, several recent videos and sites recommend against it. However, the issues, whatever they were, appear to have been fixed. I had no problem.

During Windows 10 setup, I said that I would input an activation key later. Several hours later, a watermark has appeared in the computer’s lower right corner saying “Activate Windows. Go to Settings to activate Windows.” Apparently this will appear indefinitely. Activation is US$140, although there is no end of internet articles on ways to get around paying, or to pay less. I’ve looked at these alternatives, and the result is that I’ll be purchasing a full license if I keep Windows on the computer.

When Boot Camp partitioned my 512GB drive, I set aside 100GB for Windows. The operating system is about 20GB. Apple says that one should set aside at least 64GB, and recommends 128GB. Now that I’ve had a few hours with Windows on the mini, I am seriously considering using less than 100GB. There is very little that I want on the computer in the way of Windows apps, and I need very little in the way of storage.

As I’ve done with Mac games, I’ll be putting Windows games on an external drive. Resident Evil 2 (the first of the free AMD games) is alone 23GB. This means purchasing a separate solid state external drive for Windows, formatting it NTFS.

The game is running fine on my monitor, which is an Asus ProArt 32”, 3840x2160.

I’m afraid that a five year absence from the Windows operating system hasn’t reduced my dislike for Microsoft’s intrusive approach to marketing nor my dislike for Windows itself. I have a couple of uses for Windows apart from gaming, but if I keep it, it will be despite the fact that I find using it a nuisance.

P.S. I initially ran Boot Camp and tried to install Windows while my eGPU was running. I should have known better. My monitor was not happy about this and I wound up starting over. Best to keep your eGPU on the sidelines for this task :)
 
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