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Moved to XR from X/XS/XS Max due to Eye Strain. Do you still have eye strain on the XR?

  • No, believe the no-PWM from the LCD screen solved my issue

    Votes: 109 34.9%
  • Yes, still have eye strain.

    Votes: 44 14.1%
  • Yes, still have eye strain. However, the strain stopped once I covered the 'Notch' FaceID

    Votes: 9 2.9%
  • No, you guys are crazy!

    Votes: 150 48.1%

  • Total voters
    312
I just remembered what also causes eye strain even with totally fine LCD's.

The flickers from LED bulb lighting.
It does not happen all the time, but when my eyes are tired I get eye strain from the flickering LED lighting.

I check LED flickering with 240fps slow-motion camera from my iPhone 7+.

I find that only this Philips bulb from Home Depot does not have flickering LED.
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.60w-soft-white-2700k-a19-led-light-bulb-4-pack.1000858665.html

So, I just changed the LED bulb, and I do not experience eye strain looking at my Benq non-PWM monitor.

I hope this helps to those who are sensitive to flickering.
 
I just remembered what also causes eye strain even with totally fine LCD's.

The flickers from LED bulb lighting.
It does not happen all the time, but when my eyes are tired I get eye strain from the flickering LED lighting.

I check LED flickering with 240fps slow-motion camera from my iPhone 7+.

I find that only this Philips bulb from Home Depot does not have flickering LED.
https://www.homedepot.ca/en/home/p.60w-soft-white-2700k-a19-led-light-bulb-4-pack.1000858665.html

So, I just changed the LED bulb, and I do not experience eye strain looking at my Benq non-PWM monitor.

I hope this helps to those who are sensitive to flickering.
I’ve switched all of my displays in my house over to non-PWM versions myself. Wasn’t aware of those light bulbs but I don’t typically look at lights directly so I usually don’t have a problem. Now the exception to that are those LED car taillights which are absolutely ridiculous and bother my eyes. Wish they’d stop putting those on cars.
 
I’ve switched all of my displays in my house over to non-PWM versions myself. Wasn’t aware of those light bulbs but I don’t typically look at lights directly so I usually don’t have a problem. Now the exception to that are those LED car taillights which are absolutely ridiculous and bother my eyes. Wish they’d stop putting those on cars.

Yes, LED light bulbs generally okay unless my eyes are weakened. You will find out though when you take slow motion video; the whole room (walls) actually flickers.

The LED taillights do bother my eyes a bit, but those new bluish Lexus headlights actually burns my eyes. I cannot even look at them for a second.
 
I was today at Apple Store and was playing with all iPhones version and sizes, as I also have this eye strain phenomena with my Xs phone, here is my conclusions:

1) The X, the Xs and the Xr, same ****** screen - it has very good screen for show off colors, movies and so on, but when you try to read text on them, on white background, they kill the eyes. It seems like there is some filter on the screen or something that make the text clean, but in the way, kill the sharpness of the text.

2) The iPhone 8 + and basically any iPhone prior to the X catastrophe series is much better when looking on text.

Now what can be done? I think that there is nothing left to do here, the new phones simply suck at producing nice pleasing text.
I really love the new gesture and the fact that there is no home button. so. I can't go back to the old ones.
I also notice that if you invert the colors to black the text is very nice and pleasing but it mess the colors of the phones completely so there is no option here.
Maybe increasing font size...?
 
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X screens are very powerful and lowering brightness on my xr helped me aaalot. Even with auto-brightness it was too bright
 
I think I found what the problem is with me. For some reason my eyes have hard time staying focused on the X series of phones. I spend an entire day being thoughtful of what’s happening with my X.

On my 8+ my eyes are happy to stay focus all the time. With X, XR and XS they just keeping going in and out of focus.

No idea why that is happening though.
 
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I ended up returning my Xr and purchased a new 8. I tried a variety of settings and couldn't get rid of my eye strain issues. I got to the point were I was nauseous using it.

The 8 is great (no issues even using it heavily) and I prefer the more pocketable size (although I would have kept the XR had I not had eye issues with it). FYI if you're one the fence, you have fourteen days to return it after you initiate the return...effectively extending your return window.
 
I thought I had issues, but I did not. I use the phone every day, no problems. HOWEVER, I have both "Require Attention for Face ID" and "Attention Aware Features" turned off. The first, because I use the phone a lot in the car where I frequently wear sunglasses, and somehow the unlock works much better with this unchecked, and the second, because I have my phone at my desk, and if I have the first option unchecked, and the second checked, my phone never goes to sleep anymore, which I don't want if I don't use it. In any case, that's how I am using it right now, and I have no issues.
 
I had enough of the Xr last night and returned it this morning. They waved the restocking fee and I purchased a 8plus. This is what I had before I bought the Xr. Wife got my old 8 plus. I’m back to being happy and my eyes feel soooo much better. I use my phone for reading and the Xr’s fonts were so blurry I couldn’t stand it anymore. Too bad as I really liked everything else about the phone. Hopefully apple will upgrade the screen at some point in the future but I plan to keep the 8+ until they do.
 
I had enough of the Xr last night and returned it this morning. They waved the restocking fee and I purchased a 8plus. This is what I had before I bought the Xr. Wife got my old 8 plus. I’m back to being happy and my eyes feel soooo much better. I use my phone for reading and the Xr’s fonts were so blurry I couldn’t stand it anymore. Too bad as I really liked everything else about the phone. Hopefully apple will upgrade the screen at some point in the future but I plan to keep the 8+ until they do.

So what happened to Apple and they cannot make any more decent displays since last year?
 
So what happened to Apple and they cannot make any more decent displays since last year?

I don’t know. Ive had a lot of phones in my life. The 3g was my first iPhone. Had the original galaxy S. A bunch since then and I’ve never seen a screen like the one on the Xr. I tried everything to try and improve the thing and nothing helped. I’m happy now though. We’ll see what apple puts out in the future. They stay on the same path I’ll move elsewhere when my 8+ quits.
 
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I don’t know. Ive had a lot of phones in my life. The 3g was my first iPhone. Had the original galaxy S. A bunch since then and I’ve never seen a screen like the one on the Xr. I tried everything to try and improve the thing and nothing helped. I’m happy now though. We’ll see what apple puts out in the future. They stay on the same path I’ll move elsewhere when my 8+ quits.

By chance, did you get to try the new iPad Pro?
 
I don’t know. Ive had a lot of phones in my life. The 3g was my first iPhone. Had the original galaxy S. A bunch since then and I’ve never seen a screen like the one on the Xr. I tried everything to try and improve the thing and nothing helped. I’m happy now though. We’ll see what apple puts out in the future. They stay on the same path I’ll move elsewhere when my 8+ quits.
This is where I’m at. It’s looking like the 8+ will be my last iPhone. If Apple can’t produce a phone that doesn’t cause me eye strain and headaches I’ll have to look elsewhere.
 
I was today at Apple Store and was playing with all iPhones version and sizes, as I also have this eye strain phenomena with my Xs phone, here is my conclusions:

1) The X, the Xs and the Xr, same ****** screen - it has very good screen for show off colors, movies and so on, but when you try to read text on them, on white background, they kill the eyes. It seems like there is some filter on the screen or something that make the text clean, but in the way, kill the sharpness of the text.

2) The iPhone 8 + and basically any iPhone prior to the X catastrophe series is much better when looking on text.

Now what can be done? I think that there is nothing left to do here, the new phones simply suck at producing nice pleasing text.
I really love the new gesture and the fact that there is no home button. so. I can't go back to the old ones.
I also notice that if you invert the colors to black the text is very nice and pleasing but it mess the colors of the phones completely so there is no option here.
Maybe increasing font size...?
I think these observations are spot on. 100% spot on.

You can add the 3rd Generation iPad Pro to this list. It has the same "when you try to read text on them, on white background, they kill the eyes" screen - it may be a new anti-reflective coating which has the opposite effect.
 
I don’t understand this. I cannot tell any difference reading among my 10.5” iPad, 15” retina MBP (2012), or XR.

I don’t understand it either. Only thing I can think is some people are more sensitive to screen resolution than others. Like I said the 8+ text looks super clear and sharp to me. Apple needs to step it up and not just offer an LCD alternative but a 1080p LCD alternative.
 
Apple’s new displays for its IOS devices, X/XS/Max iPhones and 2018 iPads, are clearly very different from their predecessors. And people are reacting to them differently. It’s hard to know exactly what is causing some users to have adverse reactions, visually and neurologically, to these displays. I have posted on this thread and much more exentisvely on the larger “Eye-strain while using iPhone X” (and XS/Max) thread. That thread has extensive discussion about the XR as an alternative.

I am a long, die-hard fan of Apple products. I have upgraded my iPhone and iPad every cycle when a new model was released since 2008. I think I have owned 10 iPhones and 7 iPads. Last year I opted for the 8 plus over the XS because of size (form factor). In the current 2018 release cycle, I have tried and returned the XS Max, XR and 3rd Generation 12.9” iPad Pro because of issues with the screen technology and weariness at looking at their displays.

Obviously, the XS phones that use OLED technology and low level PCM scanning have different and perhaps more acute issues than those with the Liquid Retina displays. I found the screen in the XS Max very difficult to tolerate. Last week, someone had a Samsung Galaxy S9 phone that they let me use which also uses OLED and I found absolutely no ssues using it. It’s a wonderful OLED display and much better than an LCD I have used (no I’m not jumping to Adroid).

The impact of Face-ID w/and with/out atttention awareness turned on is another factor that can only be speculated on. I find the way it does auto-logins by flashing “face-ID” with a skull and crossbones-like icon, to be downright creepy, and discomfiting.

I found the Liquid Retina LCDs on both the XR and 3rd Gen ipad to also be much less comfortable to read text on than their predecessors and I also found the text to be less clear, particularly on the XR which has a lower PPI. But I could see some graininess on both the iPad and iPhone XR iterations. Lilliputian font sizes on the XR which are harder to read add to the mix of undesirable visual aspects of that display. Using the Zoom display mode on this devices did nothing to resolve the discomfort and reduced other undesirable results such as text that wraps more so than my 8Plus. Word wrapping, particularly of titles, can contribute the mental effort required to glean and absorb text.

“Overg’ (post 192 above) I think has pretty much captured how some users experience the XS and XR and I would add the 3rd Gen iPad which uses a similar Liquid Retina screen. All of these are simply less comfortable (in the case of the XS really uncomfortable) to view and absorb content on, notably text..... for some users, to varying degrees who have posted on this and the XS eyestain thread.

The eyes must work harder, the display is starker and seemingly flatter and there is more glare. That’s what I have found anyway and Overg sums it up very well. Discomfort is very subjective, but people can feel when something is just not right, even if they are not sure what it is. Since my dog loves the adulation he gets at the Apple Store nearby (he’s a Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier), I have made the pilgrimage down there and kicked the tires on these devices even though I have returned them, trying to figure out what the issue was.

And I can’t. I suspect it may have to do with a new anti-reflective coating on the displays. Such coatings can cause visual disturbance and/or weariness for some users. it may have to do with changes Apple made to accommodate rounded corners. Whatever it is, the Liquid Retina displays have a lot more in common, when viewed in person, with the OLED screens of the XS/Max than they do with the screens of the 6/7/8 phones and pre-3rd generation iPads.

I can well understand why so many users, at least on these threads, are rejecting Apple’s new displays and returning to the safe harbor of their “legacy” devices, hoping (probably futilely) that Apple will change its tune on display technologies for IOS devices.
 
Apple’s new displays for its IOS devices, X/XS/Max iPhones and 2018 iPads, are clearly very different from their predecessors. And people are reacting to them differently. It’s hard to know exactly what is causing some users to have adverse reactions, visually and neurologically, to these displays. I have posted on this thread and much more exentisvely on the larger “Eye-strain while using iPhone X” (and XS/Max) thread. That thread has extensive discussion about the XR as an alternative.

I am a long, die-hard fan of Apple products. I have upgraded my iPhone and iPad every cycle when a new model was released since 2008. I think I have owned 10 iPhones and 7 iPads. Last year I opted for the 8 plus over the XS because of size (form factor). In the current 2018 release cycle, I have tried and returned the XS Max, XR and 3rd Generation 12.9” iPad Pro because of issues with the screen technology and weariness at looking at their displays.

Obviously, the XS phones that use OLED technology and low level PCM scanning have different and perhaps more acute issues than those with the Liquid Retina displays. I found the screen in the XS Max very difficult to tolerate. Last week, someone had a Samsung Galaxy S9 phone that they let me use which also uses OLED and I found absolutely no ssues using it. It’s a wonderful OLED display and much better than an LCD I have used (no I’m not jumping to Adroid).

The impact of Face-ID w/and with/out atttention awareness turned on is another factor that can only be speculated on. I find the way it does auto-logins by flashing “face-ID” with a skull and crossbones-like icon, to be downright creepy, and discomfiting.

I found the Liquid Retina LCDs on both the XR and 3rd Gen ipad to also be much less comfortable to read text on than their predecessors and I also found the text to be less clear, particularly on the XR which has a lower PPI. But I could see some graininess on both the iPad and iPhone XR iterations. Lilliputian font sizes on the XR which are harder to read add to the mix of undesirable visual aspects of that display. Using the Zoom display mode on this devices did nothing to resolve the discomfort and reduced other undesirable results such as text that wraps more so than my 8Plus. Word wrapping, particularly of titles, can contribute the mental effort required to glean and absorb text.

“Overg’ (post 192 above) I think has pretty much captured how some users experience the XS and XR and I would add the 3rd Gen iPad which uses a similar Liquid Retina screen. All of these are simply less comfortable (in the case of the XS really uncomfortable) to view and absorb content on, notably text..... for some users, to varying degrees who have posted on this and the XS eyestain thread.

The eyes must work harder, the display is starker and seemingly flatter and there is more glare. That’s what I have found anyway and Overg sums it up very well. Discomfort is very subjective, but people can feel when something is just not right, even if they are not sure what it is. Since my dog loves the adulation he gets at the Apple Store nearby (he’s a Soft Coated Wheaten Terrier), I have made the pilgrimage down there and kicked the tires on these devices even though I have returned them, trying to figure out what the issue was.

And I can’t. I suspect it may have to do with a new anti-reflective coating on the displays. Such coatings can cause visual disturbance and/or weariness for some users. it may have to do with changes Apple made to accommodate rounded corners. Whatever it is, the Liquid Retina displays have a lot more in common, when viewed in person, with the OLED screens of the XS/Max than they do with the screens of the 6/7/8 phones and pre-3rd generation iPads.

I can well understand why so many users, at least on these threads, are rejecting Apple’s new displays and returning to the safe harbor of their “legacy” devices, hoping (probably futilely) that Apple will change its tune on display technologies for IOS devices.

I wonder if we will ever find out why Apple suddenly forgot how to make good displays.

Since the original iPhone up to 8+, almost each model’s display was better than the previous one. The suddenly we have the fiasco of X, followed by a smaller fiasco of XR.
 
I wonder if we will ever find out why Apple suddenly forgot how to make good displays.

Since the original iPhone up to 8+, almost each model’s display was better than the previous one. The suddenly we have the fiasco of X, followed by a smaller fiasco of XR.
I’m doing fine on my Xr display but I had to permanently stop using my 8 Plus. It was the going back and forth between the two displays that caused me difficulty. I am settled in on the Xr now. I do use Face ID and have no pain though often I can feel something. But it doesn’t hurt.
 
I’m doing fine on my Xr display but I had to permanently stop using my 8 Plus. It was the going back and forth between the two displays that caused me difficulty. I am settled in on the Xr now. I do use Face ID and have no pain though often I can feel something. But it doesn’t hurt.

That's good to know realizing the issues you have had. Glad the XR is working for you.
 
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I’m doing fine on my Xr display but I had to permanently stop using my 8 Plus. It was the going back and forth between the two displays that caused me difficulty. I am settled in on the Xr now. I do use Face ID and have no pain though often I can feel something. But it doesn’t hurt.
I am going to give this a try as I’ve always compared my new devices to my old. So this time I’ll pick up a XR(again) and put my 7 Plus away. I really really want to love this device. And I want a new device that will work for me. I’m definitely not happy with the <1080p display, but I want to give it another go.
 
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I am going to give this a try as I’ve always compared my new devices to my old. So this time I’ll pick up a XR(again) and put my 7 Plus away. I really really want to love this device. And I want a new device that will work for me. I’m definitely not happy with the <1080p display, but I want to give it another go.

Hope it works for you. Regardless, please report back on this thread. I suspect if I had a Plus to continue to go back and forth, I may also have been bothered by the XR's <1080p, but I was coming from a 6s. Still, when I compared mine against a XS and Max, I remained very pleased with readability of text. I really like this phone.
 
I am going to give this a try as I’ve always compared my new devices to my old. So this time I’ll pick up a XR(again) and put my 7 Plus away. I really really want to love this device. And I want a new device that will work for me. I’m definitely not happy with the <1080p display, but I want to give it another go.
I think it’s easier to go from a 7 Plus to an XR vs a 8 Plus, which, unlike the 7/7S plus, has True Tone and wireless charging. One can make a good argument, if text quality is your decision point and optical zoom is important to you, that the XR is a downgrade from an 8 Plus. For other plus phones, not so much.
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Hope it works for you. Regardless, please report back on this thread. I suspect if I had a Plus to continue to go back and forth, I may also have been bothered by the XR's <1080p, but I was coming from a 6s. Still, when I compared mine against a XS and Max, I remained very pleased with readability of text. I really like this phone.
I suspect that Apple’s primary target market for the XR phone is users of the non-plus 6/7/8 phones which have the same PPI and no optical zoom. That is definitely the path of least resistance for customer who is fine w/the XR screen, or if queasy about it, can use brute force their way into getting used to it. I think Apple intended the XS Max as an upgrade for Plus iPhone users.
 
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