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Apple says 1:1 000 000, so logically Apple has allowed for 7 000 people to access each phone, given the world population is 7 billion, so 7 000 is 1:1 000 000 of the population...Apple a rethink needed!!!
No rethinking needed. Machine learning does wonders and unless you were there testing Face ID with Apple, I find your calculations hard to believe.
 
OK, who cares, nothing is 100%. Why is it that society must always try to make something fail or find fault? Why can't we try to find the positive in things in life and not usually always trying to find the negative.
Because this is a security issue - I hope there is followup by Apple on this article to explain how/why face id failed in this case. Lots of folks have relatives who look similar, and wear similar glasses. It might be interesting if we could see these guys illustrate the same failure with several different iPhone X devices. Perhaps this particular phone is defective, which is also problematical from a quality control standpoint, but not as disastrous as consistent face id failure across all phones with the technology implemented.
 
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Need both FaceID and TouchID simultaneously.
Why? So that the convenience of Face ID is flushed down the toilet? The chances of a false positive for Touch ID were only 1:50000, where as Face ID has 1:1000000. The problem is, that we can find someone that resembles us much faster, because our facial features are more obvious than our finger print.
 
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With the iPhone X now in the hands of thousands of customers around the world, many early adopters are putting Face ID to the test to see if Apple's facial authentication system is as secure as it advertises.

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Apple says the probability that a random person in the population could look at someone else's iPhone X and unlock it using Face ID is approximately 1 in 1,000,000, compared to 1 in 50,000 for Touch ID, but it notes the probability of a false match is different for twins and siblings who look like you.

We've already seen that Face ID can be fooled by identical twins, and now a video shared on Reddit appears to confirm that Face ID can sometimes fail to distinguish between siblings who aren't twins but have similar appearances.

In the video, the sibling who set up Face ID on his iPhone X was able to unlock the device with his face as expected. Next, he handed the iPhone to his brother. Face ID didn't authenticate his brother's face upon first attempt, but once he put on a pair of black rim glasses, his face was able to unlock the iPhone X.

Apple is very transparent that Face ID can be less reliable in these situations, so the video doesn't come across as a PR disaster in the making for the company. But, it does suggest that Face ID isn't 100 percent failproof.

For those concerned about the security of their iPhone X in these cases, Apple's only recommendation is to use a traditional passcode instead of Face ID for authentication. Unfortunately, at least for the time being, that means disabling one of the key new features of a smartphone that costs at least $1,000.

We've reached out to Apple for comment, and we'll update this article if we hear back.

Article Link: Face ID Appears to Fail at Telling Apart Brothers Who Aren't Twins in New Video

Lucky thing I don’t have an evil twin then, or non-twin evil brother. But seriously, what’s this all about? Before FaceId, someone could steal your password by peeking over your shoulder as you typed it. Nothing is completely secure. The question is just if it is secure enough for your personal emails? it propably is.
 
That was one of glaring issues of Face ID. Apple can say that it’s “overall" false positive error rate is much better than TouchID, however you can’t tell visually if someone has a finger print close to yours (without closely examining their finger print). However you can easily visually see if someone’s face look like yours. Also siblings (twins or not) are much more likely to “look” like each other than their finger prints be a match. Typically people are around their siblings more often than their fingerprint doppelgänger.

Exactly, finding your fingerprint match is much harder. Finding family members or people that look like you is most likely easier.

I vote for TouchID and FaceID together. There are going to situations (like wearing gloves) that I might want TouchID turned off for a bit. But, normally, I would want both.
 
Apple says 1:1 000 000, so logically Apple has allowed for 7 000 people to access each phone, given the world population is 7 billion, so 7 000 is 1:1 000 000 of the population...Apple a rethink needed!!!

I'm sure it will only improve but it's still longer odds than Touch-ID. Also so far the failure have all been between people with blood-line relationships. So unless you don't trust your immediate family it's not a problem. If you don't trust your family you have much bigger problems.
 
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Why doesn't everyone realize that Face ID/Touch ID is an added convenience, not an absolute solution for guarding one's privacy? A complex passcode is the most secure and Touch ID/ Face ID are born out of eliminating the inconvenient of having to type the password every time. Having 2-steps verification to unlock defeats the very purpose of Touch ID/Face ID.

Also, so many people act like they are so high-profile they need to guard their phone contents with their life. For the most of us, Face ID works just fine to deter strangers from opening the phone when you lost track of it until you can lock the phone remotely.
 
look face ID might be a great idea, not sure about legally, if the police want to investigate, if you hold up the phone, you are toast. With a pass code, you can enter the wrong code and wipe the phone, just waiting for the first lawsuit to hit Tim's desk...I think face ID might be banned...

If the police are investigating and hold up the phone, just close your damn eyes.
 
Because this phone is a lot of money and Apple should be held to a high standard for quality

It IS quality. Have you seen other company’s offerings? Trash.

Majority of people are making something out of nothing pretending they live in constant fear of someone getting into their phone using Face ID and steal their nudes and whatever else.
 
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This may be fake. The phone goes down away from camera when switching, he may have another phone on his hands.
 
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Because this is a security issue - I hope there is followup by Apple on this article to explain how/why face id failed in this case. Lots of folks have relatives who look similar, and wear similar glasses. It might be interesting if we could see these guys illustrate the same failure with several different iPhone X devices. Perhaps this particular phone is defective, which is also problematical from a quality control standpoint, but not as disastrous as consistent face id failure across all phones with the technology implemented.
I can tell you what happened: Face ID was probably just set up. Face ID did reject him at the start, but because he persisted AND the neural network was not yet trained very much, it assumed that it must be the same person.
It is not a quality issue it is a neural network issue. This probably would not happen after a week or so, as the neural network would have the face nailed down thanks to all the scans it did over that period.
Face ID always feeds itself with new scans to be up to date. So as it only had a few scans it assumed, that his brother, after he persisted might be the same person, but that the image quality was worse than in the start.
 
Not quite, because the actual data entry is a limiting factor when it comes to passcodes (you can't brute force it because the time between entries goes up exponentially).

You have all the time and resources in the world to find a facial match in an external database, though, if you really want to find someone else to unlock the phone. You could predict whether or not the unlock will work much better than you could ever predict the success of a guessed passcode.
Effectively!

Another exemple would be if you wanted to force a users to unlock is device. Whit a passcode, you will need to torture the guy and this could be pretty time consuming. With Face ID, you just need to cut his head.
 
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OK, who cares, nothing is 100%. Why is it that society must always try to make something fail or find fault? Why can't we try to find the positive in things in life and not usually always trying to find the negative.
What’s interesting is they’re not making any money off this, so they’re really wasting their time. If they were paid researchers it would be a different story.
 
Machine learning. The more you use it, the more secure it gets. Setting it up and handing it to your brother on the same day is bound to throw an error

This. This. THIS! But sure let's go off.

Nope. For the machine to learn from this it would need some feedback loop to tell it that it made an incorrect identification. That feedback doesn't exist so it will most likely keep on doing this.
 
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Machine learning. The more you use it, the more secure it gets. Setting it up and handing it to your brother on the same day is bound to throw an error
Your statement is not correct. Providing more positive training examples will not improve the accuracy in this case. It has to be false positive examples. Namely, you have to have a feedback mechanism which tells the phone that it makes a mistake.

Also, did I hear Apple said this one is more secure than touch ID? Where is the transparency coming? Anyway, I bought 2 of these....
 
Does it exist any video like this for Touch ID? Otherwise it seems Touch ID is MORE secure than FaceID.

It is hard to see that someone's fingerprint looks like your's, while it is easy to see that someone's face is similar.
 
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