Face ID Described as iPhone 8's 'Crown Jewel', Unlocking Device in 'A Few Hundred Milliseconds'

[MacknTosh]

Problem: Touch ID (version 2) is so quick, you blast past your notifications when you press the home button.
Solution: Raise to Wake.

Problem: FaceID is so fast, you blast past your notifications when you look at your phone.
Solution: Deactivate FaceID and use Touch ID.

Problem: IPhone 'may' not have TouchID as it's been replaced by the more secure FaceID.
Solution: Use a passcode.

Welcome back to 2014!!!!

 

[palmerc2]

What if I want to look at a notification without unlocking the screen?

Also seems too easy for snooping from law enforcement or an undesirable where they could put the phone up to your face to unlock.

Guess we'll have to see. Would prefer Touch ID.

 

[9594864]

Yup. I think iris scanning is part of the solution.

Iris scanning is not part of this. Lol.

 

[Scottsoapbox]

In addition, anyone the has your phone could unlock it simply by holding it up to your face, if it work as the article describes. Law enforcement, would not need a warrant to unlock your phone or even your assistance.

A warrant is about admissiblity in court, not actual access. It wouldn't be hard for police to place your finger on the home button to gain access now. The question is what they find protected under the law.

 

[OldSchoolMacGuy]

In addition, anyone the has your phone could unlock it simply by holding it up to your face, if it work as the article describes. Law enforcement, would not need a warrant to unlock your phone or even your assistance.

Which is why Apple has added the ability to press the Home button 5 times and iOS will require the passcode instead of Touch ID. This feature has been added in iOS 11.
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A warrant is about admissiblity in court, not actual access. It wouldn't be hard for police to place your finger on the home button to gain access now. The question is what they find protected under the law.

Under current laws, they can make you provide your fingerprint to unlock your phone. They cannot require you provide a passcode (5th Amendment). If you feel you have something you need to hide and want to avoid being forced to unlock it, go with a passcode and disable Touch ID.

 

[9594864]

What if I want to look at a notification without unlocking the screen?

Also seems too easy for snooping from law enforcement or an undesirable where they could put the phone up to your face to unlock.

Guess we'll have to see. Would prefer Touch ID.

Why would you want to look at a notification without unlocking the device? It's going to wait for your action on the lock screen..........


And if you're really worried about law enforcement then I feel for you, because the probability that would happen is incalculably low. If it does happen though, press the power button 5 times, and then press cancel. Passcode only then

 

[MadeByApple]

I'm interested to see the set up for FaceID. Can't wait to use my selfie skills.

 

[AdeFowler]

In addition, anyone the has your phone could unlock it simply by holding it up to your face, if it work as the article describes. Law enforcement, would not need a warrant to unlock your phone or even your assistance.

I guess you could just shut your eyes. I guess we'll just have to wait and see.

 

[ckurt25]

This is getting very exciting.. Still worried about someone just shoving your phone near your face and unlocking it though. Doesn't sound very secure to me?! Or am I missing something? The phone doesn't even have to touch my body to be unlocked, that is kinda scary..

In addition, anyone the has your phone could unlock it simply by holding it up to your face, if it work as the article describes. Law enforcement, would not need a warrant to unlock your phone or even your assistance.

Yeah, these are concerns of mine as well. I don't have anything to hide from my wife (her fingerprints already unlock my phone and vice versa) but not all spouses do that for each other. Parents could unlock their kids phones, siblings unlocking each other's phones, friends, coworkers, employers...

Maybe they're building additional security. "Hey Siri, lock my phone" and it would require the passcode. But what happens when you're sleeping? I have to imagine they're engineering this to work with people who wear glasses (even who are wearing sunglasses) so does it need to see open eyes? Time will tell.

 

[69Mustang]

I'm just wondering how will it work when the phone is laying on a table.

I am far from an expert, but a lot of us seem to have some misconceptions about facial recognition tech. Facial recognition is, inelegantly put, the math of the face not the look of the face. Your facial algorithm will be stored in the Enclave just like your fingerprint algorithm is stored now (Apple doesn't store a copy of your fingerprint). Also just like Touch ID requires multiple touches to build the fingerprint algorithm, your facial algorithm will most likely require multiple scans from different angles to build your "face". Pretty sure the phone being flat will be part of those scans. I mean, how else will Face ID account for your booger holes?

 

[xalea]

Maybe it will shoot out a little psuedo-glucometer stick and you provide it with a drop of blood. That would be pretty secure. Unless someone took the blood from you by force I suppose. That might be unpleasant.

 

[whitedragon101]

Hasn't Android had this functionality for years? I had it on my Galaxy Nexus back in 2012. Not sure how innovative it is.

2D facial recognition has been on other phones but it's major issue is all you need is a picture of the owner. So it's very insecure.

3D facial recognition captures a depth map of the face meaning to fool it you would need a perfect copy of someone's head which is close to impossible. Certainly harder to attain than a fingerprint.

 

[nviz22]

Problem: Touch ID (version 2) is so quick, you blast past your notifications when you press the home button.
Solution: Raise to Wake.

Problem: FaceID is so fast, you blast past your notifications when you look at your phone.
Solution: Deactivate FaceID and use Touch ID.

Problem: IPhone 'may' not have TouchID as it's been replaced by the more secure FaceID.
Solution: Use a passcode.

Welcome back to 2014!!!!

Other options: get the iPhone 7S/7S+, get an Android device, or keep what you have.

 

[Juan007]

Absolutely amazing, if this feature actually works! Can't wait for the new iPhone!

 

[5105973]

When the screen is off on the white-bezel iPhone 8, it kinda looks like an ice cream sandwich from the top-down view.

Aha, it does! So THAT is why I am so drawn to it!

 

[DVNIEL]

Hope it'll do retinal scanning too or else I'm screwed when I'm snowboarding this season.

 

[shartypants]

I've been doing some Android development recently and am using this Samsung S8+ with facial unlock enabled and I have to say it can be annoying to have the phone unlocked when I don't want it unlocked. Just because your face is in front of the screen doesn't mean you want to unlock it. I think it would be a mistake for Apple to make it work that way. Maybe in addition to TouchID for people who are more security conscious. I can just see my daughter with my phone, holding it up to my face to unlock it. I hope Apple is smarter than that.

 

[LordQ]

"Apple's facial identification software will have far more nuance than simply scanning faces head-on, and allow the smartphone to be unlocked even when it's at an odd angle"



Link to the MacRumors Article :-
https://www.macrumors.com/2017/08/06/homepod-firmware-iphone-scan-face/

Yeah, I meant how the technology works, how does the camera / phone sense that the phone is on the table, I glance at it and it unlocks, sounds intriguing!

 

[HoosBruce]

Pretty sure Google thought this up years ago.

Then why wasn’t it implemented in the Pixel and used for Android or Google Pay or whatever it is?

 

[Quibs]

Pretty sure Google thought this up years ago.

Pretty sure James Bond used this years before Google.

 

[HoosBruce]

Iris scanning is not part of this. Lol.

Do you work for Apple? How are you so sure iris scanning will not be a part of this in some way?

 

[rotax]

In addition, anyone the has your phone could unlock it simply by holding it up to your face, if it work as the article describes. Law enforcement, would not need a warrant to unlock your phone or even your assistance.

My concerns exactly. If it also contains touch ID, and this is an augmentation so that both passcode use and touch ID can be set to require FaceID, I think that would be good. I would also like to be able to have it recognize a face e.g. a wink or frown etc. to disable TouchID the device and require a passcode (with FaceID). Access to control center and some basic things with FaceID alone seems fine. Complete unlock with FaceID alone seems like a non-starter and I have confidence enough in Apple to assume they know that.

 

[DNichter]

Hasn't Android had this functionality for years? I had it on my Galaxy Nexus back in 2012. Not sure how innovative it is.

No, they haven't. I believe they have had face scanning which works like a picture and is easily manipulated. What Apple is introducing is basically a "Kinect" in a phone that is able to authenticate based off a 3D map of someone's head.
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I've been doing some Android development recently and am using this Samsung S8+ with facial unlock enabled and I have to say it can be annoying to have the phone unlocked when I don't want it unlocked. Just because your face is in front of the screen doesn't mean you want to unlock it. I think it would be a mistake for Apple to make it work that way. Maybe in addition to TouchID for people who are more security conscious. I can just see my daughter with my phone, holding it up to my face to unlock it. I hope Apple is smarter than that.

Yea I think we need to wait to see how Apple implements on their phone. I think it's a valid concern, but I am sure Apple has thought of this.

 

[bigchrisfgb]

So it can scan from odd angles, what about people with glasses. I wear glasses, will it recognise me with and without them on?

 

[DNichter]

So it can scan from odd angles, what about people with glasses. I wear glasses, will it recognise me with and without them on?

Probably best to wait until the phone is released, but yes most likely.