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Face ID Described as iPhone 8's 'Crown Jewel', Unlocking Device in 'A Few Hundred Milliseconds'

I really hope that this is not the ‘crown jewel’ feature of the iPhone 8...

The only scenario that comes to my mind where this would be more useful than Touch ID is when wearing gloves.
 
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Infiniverse48 said:
Why would you want to look at a notification without unlocking the device? It's going to wait for your action on the lock screen..........


And if you're really worried about law enforcement then I feel for you, because the probability that would happen is incalculably low. If it does happen though, press the power button 5 times, and then press cancel. Passcode only then
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Citizens wanting to assert their forth amendment rights isn't something you should "feel for." In the days before encrypted storage on phones became commonplace and people using passcodes as a default, it was becoming a trend for law enforcement to have scanning tools in their vehicles and dump mobile phone contents in otherwise routine stops. Making it easier to get back into an otherwise encrypted phone is a step in the wrong direction. The five press approach on the power button is a nice enhancement independent of the FaceID move but isn't foolproof (both thieves and law enforcement have targeted people actively on phones knowing they are unlocked at the time and are you going to reach into your bag or pockets when law enforcement stops you?). I also would like to see the number of presses be configurable (e.g. double press rather than five).

Although I have a great amount of respect for law enforcement I also believe that some amount of wariness is healthy and that forcing law enforcement to work within constitutional protected rights (including updating interpretations of those rights to modern technology) is absolutely essential.

And then there are thieves...

tl;dr I'm not a fan of removal of TouchID.
 
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rpat701 said:
Hasn't Android had this functionality for years? I had it on my Galaxy Nexus back in 2012. Not sure how innovative it is.
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It’s innovative because it will actually work, just like every feature Apple has implemented that Android has before it.
 
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The days are long gone that leave any surprises at the Keynotes.
Sometimes I wish I didn't follow MacRumors...oh wait...
 
iLoveDeveloping said:
This is getting very exciting.. Still worried about someone just shoving your phone near your face and unlocking it though. Doesn't sound very secure to me?! Or am I missing something? The phone doesn't even have to touch my body to be unlocked, that is kinda scary..
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It bothers me for this very reason. If it was a feature in addition to Touch ID, fine. But in place of? Very concerning. Nosy employer could simply wake up my phone laying on my desk and simply unlock it because my face is in view. I'll likely stick with the 7S rather then jump for the 8. For this reason alone.
 
iLoveDeveloping said:
This is getting very exciting.. Still worried about someone just shoving your phone near your face and unlocking it though. Doesn't sound very secure to me?! Or am I missing something? The phone doesn't even have to touch my body to be unlocked, that is kinda scary..
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Performance could be so good that maybe the phone will constantly require your face to be in front of it to be used. Somebody using your face to unlock your phone and then running away with your phone won't be able to use it because it will lock again in a matter of a couple of seconds.
 
But...but I don't want it. What a terrible idea.
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ChromeCloud said:
Performance could be so good that maybe the phone will constantly require your face to be in front of it to be used. Somebody using your face to unlock your phone and then running away with your phone won't be able to use it because it will lock again in a matter of a couple of seconds.
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Would be even worse. Then they have to carry your body around all the time together with your phone.... just kidding of course.
 
Sunny1990 said:
Here is a photo showing iPhone 8 in details from Bloomberg's Article :-
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Edit :- Another One
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https://twitter.com/venyageskin1/status/899965348262400001
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Here's whats not new in Samsung, OnePlus, LG,: Their Android Version, bloatware you cannot delete.

Here's also what not net in the iPhone 8: the best costumer service, best reliability, best security and privacy, best everything.
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rpat701 said:
Pretty sure Google thought this up years ago.
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Pretty sure Google also thought of self-driving cars too...

They just didn't make them yet... minor details...
 
i hate phones said:
Very interested to see how exactly this will work, and how it will handle the obvious concerns. Seems your phone would always be unlocked as long as you were in the near vicinity, what prevents someone sitting next to you from grabbing your phone while you're not paying attention and buy something using apple pay, there's gotta be more to it... some sort of way for the phone to "know" you want it to unlock.
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How about touching the virtual home button? From the user experience point of view, it doesn't matter if the phone scans your face or your fingerprint as long as the perceived experience is the same.
 
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Taz Mangus said:
How do you know as it has not been released yet. A Bread can change the shape of your face if it gets long.
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Because there are other points of reference to your face. I was more so saying it in jest as I think all these "What if's" are very silly because no one knows the answer. Also, I believe Apple has very smart people behind the technology and I don't think anything we can come up with, they haven't thought of already. Lastly, there were the same concerns with Touch ID. What if this, what if that. Now, we can't live without it. Better just to breathe and wait until it comes out to see how it all works. I'd be confident in Apple though.
 
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Interesting tech. I wonder how well it works under certain conditions such as with/without glasses, after a surgery, after a night of heavy drinking, etc... =)
 
Sleaka J said:
Face ID doesn't sound like it'll work well with Apple Pay. Touch ID works well with Apple Pay because you don't have to stick your face over the phone when you hold it over the terminal, it doesn't need to be facing you at all.
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Neither does it need to be directly facing you with FaceID. And nobody ever complains about TouchID not working due to wet fingers or dry skin etc...
 
Just keep the 8's price somewhat reasonable. I am not spending $1000 for it.
 
Infiniverse48 said:
Why would you want to look at a notification without unlocking the device? It's going to wait for your action on the lock screen..........


And if you're really worried about law enforcement then I feel for you, because the probability that would happen is incalculably low. If it does happen though, press the power button 5 times, and then press cancel. Passcode only then
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not really, could be a casual message from a friend that could wait meaning i dont have to action/unlock the phone. Me as a user should be in control of when i want to action on any notification that pops up on my phone.
 
rpat701 said:
Pretty sure Google thought this up years ago.
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Ideas are easy and cheap. Implementation is hard and what matters most.
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Sefstah said:
No Touch ID, no headphone jack. Thank you for being so courageous Apple!
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Are people still whining about the legacy headphone port? Obviously we were right when we told you it was not a big deal, seeing as it has a modern headphone port and was the single best selling smartphone. Oops!
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iLoveDeveloping said:
Still worried about someone just shoving your phone near your face and unlocking it though. Doesn't sound very secure to me?! Or am I missing something? The phone doesn't even have to touch my body to be unlocked, that is kinda scary..
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Yes, what you're missing -- wtf does somebody have your phone in their possession? If so, you have bigger problems. Here in real life, this will be about as important as the similar concerns about bad guys chopping off your fingers for Touch ID. Yeah.
 
palmerc2 said:
What if I want to look at a notification without unlocking the screen?

Also seems too easy for snooping from law enforcement or an undesirable where they could put the phone up to your face to unlock.

Guess we'll have to see. Would prefer Touch ID.
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That could do away without the unlocking screen. For the owner, there would be no thing as a locked phone.
 
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