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I’m sorry if I didn’t read between the lines of his post sufficiently. I was merely reading the words that he had written.

He said that he didn’t have anything secret and thus had no need for “super security”. He then qualified his statement saying that he’d never lost or had a phone stolen. I don’t know what that implies. Does it mean that as long as he’s in possession of his phone he’s satisfied with “good enough”?

What’s your take?

I honestly don't think I'm qualified to render much of an opinion. I'm not a security expert, so all I have to figure out whether the non-Apple solutions are "good enough" is the internet. That never inspired confidence in my conclusions.

That said, I do imagine that the non-Apple phones are fine, unless you're trying to keep your stuff secret from some very resourceful and dedicated people. If your primary use cases are things like a snooping spouse or losing your phone and not wanting a random person to be able to get into it, I have to think those other facial recognition systems are sufficient. If you're talking about a more sophisticated person, or the potential thereof (e.g., high-level federal employees or contractors), then that person would probably be better off not taking the risk.
 
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The iPhone X has been available for a little over a month now, which has given consumers time to adjust to the new biometric authentication method, Face ID. Face ID replaces Touch ID, unlocking the iPhone X via a face scan rather than a fingerprint.

In the video below, we decided to take a second look at Face ID after having spent some time with it to see how it measures up to Touch ID and how it compares to similar facial recognition options in devices like the OnePlus 5T.


For the most part, Face ID works well and is at least as quick as Touch ID, but there are some undeniable pain points. When the iPhone X is held in landscape mode, like when you're in bed, Face ID often doesn't work. It can also have trouble when it's flat on a surface and can't get a good read on your face, and when you have sunglasses, a hat, or a scarf covering your face, it can be hit or miss at times.

These points of failure don't apply to some of the other smartphones that use facial recognition techniques. The OnePlus 5T, like devices with facial recognition from Samsung, uses multiple biometric systems with facial recognition paired with a fingerprint sensor.

Face ID is, however, in most ways superior to the facial recognition options used by competing devices, simply because it offers more security. Face ID is using 3D depth sensing with an infrared camera and a dot projector, while companies like OnePlus and Samsung are using 2D methods that rely solely on the front-facing device camera.

Without 3D depth mapping, the OnePlus 5T's Face Unlock feature can be faster than Face ID, but it doesn't work in low light, unlike Face ID, which can work in almost all lighting conditions. It's also more of a convenience feature than a security feature and it's not used for authenticating passwords or mobile payments.

KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said Face ID is years ahead of similar facial recognition techniques from Android smartphone makers, and that's evident in the functionality divide between the OnePlus 5T and the iPhone X.

Still, some people are having trouble adjusting to Face ID and miss the convenience of certain Touch ID features, like being able to unlock the iPhone regardless of its position.

Love it or hate it, Face ID is here to stay. Rumors already suggest Face ID will roll out to the 2018 iPhones, and we're also hearing that Face ID will expand to additional devices like the iPad Pro in the future.

Article Link: Face ID in iPhone X vs. 'Face Unlock' Facial Recognition in OnePlus 5T

Sad that with today's generation and world you have to reiterate the fact that this is your opinion...and only your opinion, because of the amount of backlash that you will receive from people, for YOUR opinion... my opinion rant is over
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It does seem totally crazy it only works in normal portrait mode.
Common sense would have made you think it would work in any orientation.
Just rotate the image electronically inside.

I'm 100% this must be fixed, as no way would even Apple be dumb enough to put Face ID in a iPad of the future and require people to have to turn the iPad around to be able to unlock it.


I agree with you but don't be so sure Apple wouldn't be stupid enough, especially with some of the decisions they've made lately
 
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And you believe this?
It's marketing. (another term for lying)
What do you expect them to say to the world? "We tried to get it working in time but failed"

Or course not.

Like ANY business, they lie. They promote what they ARE trying to sell you NOW and either ignore, or rubbish what they can't offer you.

Recall how Apple rubbished large screen phones? That was because they did not have one to sell you that year.
A year or two later, they THEN had large screen phones to sell you and forget that they used to rubbish them.

Please.... You are I'm sure an intelligent Adult. I'm sure you can understand this is what they do, and we should not expect anything else from a large company with a small line of products.
Yes, I get Apple is a business and they want us to buy their current product hence the yearly "this is the best phone we have ever made" is uttered by them.
If history is any indicator of future action by Apple, once Apple removes an element from a product the element does not return. Off the top of my head, I can't think of a removed component brought back to that product.
I do believe what Jobs said, Apple makes design choices that they believe are best and offer that to the public and if the public doesn't buy it then Apple will re-evaluate and make changes.
As it stands today, Apple's iPhone sales indicate they will not need to re-think the authentication component.
As for me, I still use a 6S because Apple removed the headphone jack. IMO, too many people just buy the next thing.
 
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both the touch ID and Face ID have built in inconveniences. With touch ID, soiled or wet hands disabled the touch ID feature. With Face ID, I often have problems in bed or on my office table which it is lying prone flat on the table. I also have issues in the car. I wish it was a bit faster.
 
I disagree. I don't think touch ID would have been useful on the side or back of the iPhone at all, as that would have been a categorically horrible design. You have to remember, Apple favors accessibility to be achieved easier, and on larger iPhones, touch ID on the back is not easy for somebody that might have smaller hands.

Actually, they experimented with touch ID embedded under the display, but Face ID was always Apples primary goal according to Craig Federighi. Once Face ID became a reality, they abandoned touch ID under the display altogether.

https://daringfireball.net/2017/09/iphone_x_event_thoughts_and_observations

Face ID was always meant for the iPhone, but Undoubtedly it will migrate its way towards the iPad and likely the Mac lineup.

Unfortunately, all I read was just opinions. You and I have different opinions in regards to Face ID vs Touch ID. I don’t see how Touch ID on the side is a “categorically horrible design”? So the power button/volume key is a bad design? Yet Face ID is a good design? The notch only exists because of Face ID. I am not sure who you’re trying to convince?

I don’t believe they were experimenting but were desperate to keep Touch ID. Also, it will remain the best Apples feature. Btw, do you have links regarding mixed reviews for Touch ID? Or was it just an opinion?

You say Apple favours accessibility to be achieved easier? So why is that iOS lags behind android? I know someone who is partially sighted and finds Samsung easier to use? It was recommended by top professions. (Just wanted to add that MacOS accessibility is amazing, so I am shocked that iOS is not good for people who are partially sighted).

Your thoughts?
 
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You surprised me with your "over verdict", but I agree with you, Touch ID is superior. ;)
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Haha got me there. Fixed to reflect my true feelings and grammar skills:)
 
That bit about his finger covering the sensor and having to turn the phone off and on again is nonsense. First, as soon as you unblock the sensor it triggers another scan. Second, if it's still locked you can actually swipe up to unlock and that too will trigger another scan.
 
Unfortunately, all I read was just opinions. You and I have different opinions in regards to Face ID vs Touch ID. I don’t see how Touch ID on the side is a “categorically horrible design”?

You're on an opinionated website, of course opinions are going to vary. That's part of discussion, why does every particular statement have to have facts enabled? . That said, Touch ID on the side of the iPhone is a categorically horrible decision because it's not the most appropriate placement for somebody to unlock their iPhone with their thumb primarily. It's a poor accessibility placement, I don't believe Apple even considered that as an option when They experimented relocating touch ID in the first place.

Yet Face ID is a good design? The notch only exists because of Face ID. I am not sure who you’re trying to convince?

You're on a completely different tangent. Who said Face ID was a good design behind the notch? You're insinuating that. We already know why the Notch exists, because the house is all the sensors/Speaker. Why would you even state I'm trying to convince somebody of something? This is a simple discussion about touch ID and Face ID. I'm not in a position trying to sell the notch to anyone, I'm expressing my viewpoints. You seem to be conflating two different things.

I don’t believe they were experimenting but were desperate to keep Touch ID. Also, it will remain the best Apples feature. Btw, do you have links regarding mixed reviews for Touch ID? Or was it just an opinion?

Did you even read the link that I provided you? Evident you didn't, because if you did, then you wouldn't be indicating anything about desperation. It's already been confirmed by Federighi that they were experimenting with touch ID under the display, but they abandoned the idea once Face ID became a reality. Touch ID under the display was always Plan B, Face ID was always the primary goal once operating as intended. Apple made it clear that Face ID is their future. That's a fact, so I'm not sure why you're trying to insinuate something that's not true when you said you were "desperate" to keep Touch ID. That's patently false.

Also, you're requesting links for mixed reviews for touch ID. You could easily search throughout the iPhone forum and fine threads based on this. It's not like you need a validated source when Touch ID first launched and understand that touch ID was not nearly as accurate and fast as it is today with the iPhone 8. You will find opinions of all sorts, but of course everybody will have their own viewpoint of what they believe touch ID was originally like when It first debuted.

You say Apple favours accessibility to be achieved easier? So why is that iOS lags behind android?

This quote isn't even relevant to what I was talking about. Apple is about accessibility when it comes to various iPhone changes. Such as making the power button a little bit longer, to make it more accessible. Even with the Apple Watch, they made metrics for those who have handicaps in a wheelchair as another example.

Take a look at this link and see exactly what I'm referring to. Also, the iPad is highly accessible as well, especially for handicap concerns.

https://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/

https://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/
 
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OMG. Why should I change my usage model to accommodate a device. Maybe Apple will add another notch on the side for landscape mode.
I ask the question because I can’t remember ever unlocking my 7 in landscape mode. The only time I use my phone in landscape is when I’m watching video. My phone is already unlocked before I ever fire up a video.
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And you believe this?
It's marketing. (another term for lying)
What do you expect them to say to the world? "We tried to get it working in time but failed"

Or course not.

Like ANY business, they lie. They promote what they ARE trying to sell you NOW and either ignore, or rubbish what they can't offer you.

Recall how Apple rubbished large screen phones? That was because they did not have one to sell you that year.
A year or two later, they THEN had large screen phones to sell you and forget that they used to rubbish them.

Please.... You are I'm sure an intelligent Adult. I'm sure you can understand this is what they do, and we should not expect anything else from a large company with a small line of products.
So because you (and others) prefer Touch ID over Face ID Craig Federighi and Dan Riccio are lying? It’s ridiculous to think Apple would go through all the work of Face ID just because they couldn’t get Touch ID under the display working. If Apple preferred Touch ID the only phone we would have seen this year was the 8.
 
I ask the question because I can’t remember ever unlocking my 7 in landscape mode. The only time I use my phone in landscape is when I’m watching video. My phone is already unlocked before I ever fire up a video.

I use my iPhone in landscape a lot, but I can’t recall ever needing to unlock it in landscape.
 
“I got my iPhone X day one and Face ID failed two times! Must return phone!”

- many people complaining, who forget that the machine learning builds upon itself over time to get a better idea of your face.

Never had this problem with touchid.
 
You're on an opinionated website, of course opinions are going to vary. That's part of discussion, why does every particular statement have to have facts enabled? . That said, Touch ID on the side of the iPhone is a categorically horrible decision because it's not the most appropriate placement for somebody to unlock their iPhone with their thumb primarily. It's a poor excess ability placement, I don't believe Apple even considered that as an option when They experimented relocating touch ID in the first place.



You're on a completely different tangent. Who said Face ID was a good design behind the notch? You're insinuating that. We already know why the Notch exists, because the house is all the sensors/Speaker. Why would you even state I'm trying to convince somebody of something? This is a simple discussion about touch ID and Face ID. I'm not in a position trying to sell the notch to anyone, I'm expressing my viewpoints. You seem to be conflating two different things.



Did you even read the link that I provided you? Evident you didn't, because if you did, then you wouldn't be indicating anything about desperation. It's already been confirmed by Federighi that they were experimenting with touch ID under the display, but they abandoned the idea once Face ID became a reality. Touch ID under the display was always Plan B, Face ID was always the primary goal once operating as intended. Apple made it clear that Face ID is their future. That's a fact, so I'm not sure why you're trying to insinuate something that's not true when you said you were "desperate" to keep Touch ID. That's patently false.

Also, you're requesting links for mixed reviews for touch ID. You could easily search throughout the iPhone forum and fine threads based on this. It's not like you need a validated source when Touch ID first launched and understand that touch ID was not nearly as accurate and fast as it is today with the iPhone 8. You will find opinions of all sorts, but of course everybody will have their own viewpoint of what they believe touch ID was originally like when It first debuted.



This quote isn't even relevant to what I was talking about. Apple is about accessibility when it comes to various iPhone changes. Such as making the power button a little bit longer, to make it more accessible. Even with the Apple Watch, they made metrics for those who have handicaps in a wheelchair as another example.

Take a look at this link and see exactly what I'm referring to. Also, the iPad is highly accessible as well, especially for handicap concerns.

https://www.apple.com/accessibility/ipad/

https://www.apple.com/accessibility/iphone/

I am still not convinced that Touch ID can not be implemented or not have a future. You have completely missed what I said (or do you selectively read?), we do use power button, so why not place Touch ID there? I disagree that it is a “categorically horrible”, so what is the difference between the home and power button? Sony have done it.

You said that Face ID is the future and better than Touch ID, but my argument is that it takes a lot of space - like I said before; 1- space can be used for battery. 2- something useful, 3- cheaper, and 4- notchless. The pros outweigh the cons. For that reason, I categorically disagree with your post.

I did read but do you believe everything that was published or said by someone? Do you think they will ever admit their flaws? I don’t believe a word. I am not sure whether you’re naive or an employee.

All I read is a lot of words - well written if I say so myself, but no substance, unfortunately.
 
For the most part, Face ID works well ... but there are some undeniable pain points. When the iPhone X is held in landscape mode, like when you're in bed, Face ID often doesn't work.

Landscape mode, like when I’m in bed?

What the heck does landscape and bed have to do with each other? :confused:

What a weird thought association. Or is laying down actually an important element?

Or is it that Face ID isn’t reliable when held in landscape mode, like whenever you’re holding it in landscape mode?
 
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I am still not convinced that Touch ID can not be implemented or not have a future. You have completely missed what I said (or do you selectively read?), we do use power button, so why not place Touch ID there? I disagree that it is a “categorically horrible”, so what is the difference between the home and power button?

@ryanayr if you reply to this post, please answer the questions this time versus diverting.

In the case that you recommending that I selectively read, does that mean that applies to you when you don't answer any questions that are asked of you in the previous post? It's rather ironic, but no, I actually did respond all your points in separate sub points.

Touch ID could have a future, so I'm not sure why you're even commenting on that. Apples choosing not to give it a future based on their new premise with Face ID. Why do you keep resorting to having touch ID on the power button? It sounds like you're just not agreeing with the fact that you don't like Face ID altogether, so you're using your own narrative to formulate something that you don't know that was a possibility with the iPhone or not. Regardless, it's irrelevant, Apple chose not to go this route, so I'm not sure why you're debating something that's not a reality. But You're certainly entitled to believe something that will never happen.

You're Also asking me what's the difference between the home button and power button. In the case the touch ID, it's not a matter of differences, it's a matter of they chose not to utilize that specific option. Period.

You said that Face ID is the future and better than Touch ID

Wrong. This is patently false and highly inaccurate. Stop insinuating things I never said. Apple directly themselves said Face ID is their future, I never said Face ID is better than Touch ID. Face ID personally is their future, however iterating what Apple said. If you want to confirm what they said that, watch the 2017 September keynote. That was quoted directly on stage Face ID is their future. . Which it seems that you are the one that is selectively reading and generating your own statements out of context.

but my argument is that it takes a lot of space - like I said before; 1- space can be used for battery. 2- something useful, 3- cheaper, and 4- notchless. The pros outweigh the cons. For that reason, I categorically disagree with your post

You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Apple. And addressing your point number 2, what does that even mean question "Something useful"? Something useful doesn't explain anything and that's not much of an argument. What else are you suggesting that would be more useful in place of Face ID in the sensors. What exactly would make it cheaper if the notch wasn't there? So where do you propose Apple puts all the sensors currently?

It seems you have more anecdotal pros that don't really make any sense at all. I'm not sure where you're even going with some of these points. You may not agree with the Notch, but some of your ideas add up to absolutely nothing.

I did read but do you believe everything that was published or said by someone? Do you think they will ever admit their flaws? I don’t believe a word. I am not sure whether you’re naive or an employee..

So you're basically saying Craig Federighi and Dan Riccio are lying about everything with the open interviews about Face ID and the Notch? Is there any factual evidence that you can prove that the lying? Or are you just simply imposing your own viewpoint because you don't agree with the Face ID? Do they owe anybody an explanation about anything? Apple is secretive company as it is, they don't have to discuss that topic if you don't want to. They did so, because they want to explain the technology behind it and they openly answered questions from other consumers. I Don't have a reason to believe that any of Apples senior staff have a reason to lie, especially given that the openly discussed this new technology with other media outlets. It's Just you don't agree with what they're saying altogether.

And what "Flaws" are you referring to? They experimented with touch ID under the display, but they never stated it failed. It's been reiterated to you twice now, touch ID under the display never failed or had any flaws based on their experimentation, they abandoned it when they realized It was the primary choice.

No, I'm not naïve or an employee for Apple, I'm simply somebody has researched and followed this company very closely based on this technology. I would suggest you do the same Before making ignorant comments that are irrelevant and false. I'm not convinced that you read that article altogether, because if you had, then you would retract some of the statements in your previous post that are not true at all.
 
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When the iPhone X is held in landscape mode, like when you're in bed, Face ID often doesn't work. It can also have trouble when it's flat on a surface and can't get a good read on your face

In my experience Face ID never works when it's flat on a table unless I hover my face directly above it, which is less than ideal. Also doesn't this lack of ability directly contradict Apple's marketing images?

As far as landscape mode goes it never works if the device is being held in landscape and doesn't appear to be designed to do so.
 
@ryanayr if you reply to this post, please answer the questions this time versus diverting.

In the case that you recommending that I selectively read, does that mean that applies to you when you don't answer any questions that are asked of you in the previous post? It's rather ironic, but no, I actually did respond all your points in separate sub points.

Touch ID could have a future, so I'm not sure why you're even commenting on that. Apples choosing not to give it a future based on their new premise with Face ID. Why do you keep resorting to having touch ID on the power button? It sounds like you're just not agreeing with the fact that you don't like Face ID altogether, so you're using your own narrative to formulate something that you don't know that was a possibility with the iPhone or not. Regardless, it's irrelevant, Apple chose not to go this route, so I'm not sure why you're debating something that's not a reality. But You're certainly entitled to believe something that will never happen.

You're Also asking me what's the difference between the home button and power button. In the case the touch ID, it's not a matter of differences, it's a matter of they chose not to utilize that specific option. Period.



Wrong. This is patently false and highly inaccurate. Stop insinuating things I never said. Apple directly themselves said Face ID is their future, I never said Face ID is better than Touch ID. Face ID personally is their future, however iterating what Apple said. If you want to confirm what they said that, watch the 2017 September keynote. That was quoted directly on stage Face ID is their future. . Which it seems that you are the one that is selectively reading and generating your own statements out of context.



You're not disagreeing with me, you're disagreeing with Apple. And addressing your point number 2, what does that even mean question "Something useful"? Something useful doesn't explain anything and that's not much of an argument. What else are you suggesting that would be more useful in place of Face ID in the sensors. What exactly would make it cheaper if the notch wasn't there? So where do you propose Apple puts all the sensors currently?

It seems you have more anecdotal pros that don't really make any sense at all. I'm not sure where you're even going with some of these points. You may not agree with the Notch, but some of your ideas add up to absolutely nothing.



So you're basically saying Craig Federighi and Dan Riccio are lying about everything with the open interviews about Face ID and the Notch? Is there any factual evidence that you can prove that the lying? Or are you just simply imposing your own viewpoint because you don't agree with the Face ID? Do they owe anybody an explanation about anything? Apple is secretive company as it is, they don't have to discuss that topic if you don't want to. They did so, because they want to explain the technology behind it and they openly answered questions from other consumers. I Don't have a reason to believe that any of Apples senior staff have a reason to lie, especially given that the openly discussed this new technology with other media outlets. It's Just you don't agree with what they're saying altogether.

And what "Flaws" are you referring to? They experimented with touch ID under the display, but they never stated it failed. It's been reiterated to you twice now, touch ID under the display never failed or had any flaws based on their experimentation, they abandoned it when they realized It was the primary choice.

No, I'm not naïve or an employee for Apple, I'm simply somebody has researched and followed this company very closely based on this technology. I would suggest you do the same Before making ignorant comments that are irrelevant and false. I'm not convinced that you read that article altogether, because if you had, then you would retract some of the statements in your previous post that are not true at all.


I have answered your questions, but please free to ask. If you have not noticed, my posts tend to be condensed.

I am not contanstly resorting to the power button - where could they include Touch ID, if not the power button? In you previous post or so, you argued about why it should not be placed at the back, so I no longer include. Also, I read that other companies including Apple tried to place the finger sensor under the screen but unfortunately did not succeed. I watch every keynote, as I like Apple products, so I know that Apple will not go that route.

Like me, others have posted their disappointment and disagreement about it, but you come across as someone who has to convince or tell them off for having an opinion by providing links or repeat what Apple or other say like they the absolute fact. You do selectively read, I said who will admit their flaws (nothing specific, this applies to any company) to the public? Your response was that I am calling others a liar or do you like twisting my words, which I find very distasteful.

Now, you said some of my ideas (quite interested which you were referring to) come up to nothing? Who asked Apple to use that space? We were happy with iPhone before the X, but only asked for all screen without compromising Touch ID. When I said something useful meaning anything but Face ID - clearly went over your head. Finally, are you indirectly saying that Face ID is cheaper than Touch ID?

If you’re trying to discredit my posts with your pointless research then you have failed. I can make the exact statement as well, but I am not sure how and why will it be relevant to this argument? I will ask a serious question, if Apple said that pigs can fly and you googled, it came out with the same answer, would you believe it? That sums up what I think of your response.

One thing is for sure, iPhone X has divided Apple fans.
 
Seems there are a lot of upset people here who are unhappy that FaceID works so well. I wonder why that is?

Because Apple is winning. Most advanced facial recognition, most advanced processor, best OLED screen and selling boatloads of devices, much to the chagrin of Apple haters everywhere. It’s like they can’t catch a break, and have to suffer with Apples immense success. Year after year.

Watching Apple is like seeing that sports team you despise keep winning the championship every year, while knocking your favorite out in the playoffs each time.


One thing is for sure, iPhone X has divided Apple fans.

No it hasn’t. The same thing happens every year. Apple changes something and a small number of very vocal complainers start posting online about how upset they are and they’ll never buy another iPhone. Then Apple goes on to sell record numbers, proving once again the vocal minority doesn’t represent all users.

Samsung also experiences this. Remember all the people who said they’d never buy another Samsung if they got rid of the removable battery (for example)?

There’s always some “dealbreaker” that never actually pans out.
 
Face ID is not nearly as “quick” as Touch ID. Not only do you have to physically look at the phone but you MUST orentate it vertically in order for it to scan your face. The iPhone X cannot unlock the phone in landscape, so, if you’re using the camera and need to access the phone, then, you’ll need to readjust the phone to portrait mode in order to unlock the device with Face ID. It definitely seems like a step backwards as we were always able to unlock iPhones in any orientation with Touch ID.
 
What a Debbie Downer!
Your main complaint is that the iPhone X doesn't unlock with Face ID while laying flat on your desk? So prop up your iPhone X on a $20 Qi wireless charging stand. That's what I do. Whenever an alert arrives, I just look at the phone and read it. Want to do something on the sleeping device? Just look and swipe up.
Face ID is far more convenient than Touch ID, while also being more secure.
You didn't show the automated entry of login credentials in Safari based on Face ID recognition--it's amazing!
Your lead-off should have been that the Android-based solutions aren't nearly as secure--mere toys.
 
No it hasn’t. The same thing happens every year. Apple changes something and a small number of very vocal complainers start posting online about how upset they are and they’ll never buy another iPhone. Then Apple goes on to sell record numbers, proving once again the vocal minority doesn’t represent all users.

Samsung also experiences this. Remember all the people who said they’d never buy another Samsung if they got rid of the removable battery (for example)?

There’s always some “dealbreaker” that never actually pans out.

Sure.

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/negative-news-emerges-apple-iphone-232600183.html
 
We need to make it more convenient for people to do stupid things.

Sorry that wasn't made more obvious before. Now it should be entirely.

So by that logic, what you're saying is that apple should make it harder for people to text while driving? 1. Is that apple's job? 2. Are you implying that by trying to make texting and driving harder, that it will decrease the amount of people who text and drive? Do you have data to support that? iPhones already have Do Not Disturb and driving features to try and prevent it, doesn't work.
 
I honestly don't think I'm qualified to render much of an opinion. I'm not a security expert, so all I have to figure out whether the non-Apple solutions are "good enough" is the internet. That never inspired confidence in my conclusions.

That said, I do imagine that the non-Apple phones are fine, unless you're trying to keep your stuff secret from some very resourceful and dedicated people. If your primary use cases are things like a snooping spouse or losing your phone and not wanting a random person to be able to get into it, I have to think those other facial recognition systems are sufficient. If you're talking about a more sophisticated person, or the potential thereof (e.g., high-level federal employees or contractors), then that person would probably be better off not taking the risk.
FWIW I wasn’t trying to start a strawman argument earlier.

I am sincerely baffled when people say they have nothing to hide. I’m worried for them, and their lack of caution tends to put everyone at risk, too. That’s all. But I appreciate you calling out my hyperbole.
 
I ask the question because I can’t remember ever unlocking my 7 in landscape mode. The only time I use my phone in landscape is when I’m watching video. My phone is already unlocked before I ever fire up a video.

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So because you (and others) prefer Touch ID over Face ID Craig Federighi and Dan Riccio are lying? It’s ridiculous to think Apple would go through all the work of Face ID just because they couldn’t get Touch ID under the display working. If Apple preferred Touch ID the only phone we would have seen this year was the 8.
The fact you HAVE to have the phone in a certain orientation to unlock is a fail. With Touch ID, one can just slip the phone out of their pocket while holding the home button and it's unlocked BEFORE you're even looking at it.

Lying, marketing, etc. Call it whatever you like. If Apple did not do due diligance experimenting embedded Touch ID they would be remiss on their part. Guarantee they tried and failed. Qualcomm was able to do it, Samsung seems they'll have as well. Apple WILL offer it, whether it's the sole means or not, mark my words.
 
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