Face ID in iPhone X vs. 'Face Unlock' Facial Recognition in OnePlus 5T

[riverfreak]

Face ID is not nearly as “quick” as Touch ID. Not only do you have to physically look at the phone but you MUST orentate it vertically in order for it to scan your face. The iPhone X cannot unlock the phone in landscape, so, if you’re using the camera and need to access the phone, then, you’ll need to readjust the phone to portrait mode in order to unlock the device with Face ID. It definitely seems like a step backwards as we were always able to unlock iPhones in any orientation with Touch ID.

A clear explanation of some of the limitations. Thanks.

 

[citysnaps]

Face ID is not nearly as “quick” as Touch ID. Not only do you have to physically look at the phone but you MUST orentate it vertically in order for it to scan your face. The iPhone X cannot unlock the phone in landscape, so, if you’re using the camera and need to access the phone, then, you’ll need to readjust the phone to portrait mode in order to unlock the device with Face ID. It definitely seems like a step backwards as we were always able to unlock iPhones in any orientation with Touch ID.

"Not only do you have to physically look at the phone..."

Not true. That's an option you can disable/enable. I leave that disabled, understanding the pros/cons.



"The iPhone X cannot unlock the phone in landscape, so, if you’re using the camera and need to access the phone, then, you’ll need to readjust the phone to portrait mode in order to unlock the device with Face ID."

As a photographer, and making many thousands of photos with various iPhones over the years, I have never found myself in that situation. With TouchId or prior with a passcode. My phone is always unlocked before I bring the phone up to make a photograph. Bringing a locked phone to my eye in order to make a landscape-oriented photograph, and then unlocking the phone, would be weird.

 

[Tech198]

Covering up the senors of FaceID is nothing Apple can fix..... Move your hand first.

I guess laying down would be convenient to use FaceID all the time, but i wonder how much of this is "Want it to do" and how much of it is "Well other phones do this, so Apple is behind" issue

 

[citysnaps]

Covering up the senors of FaceID is nothing Apple can fix..... Move your hand first.

I guess laying down would be convenient to use FaceID all the time, but i wonder how much of this is "Want it to do" and how much of it is "Well other phones do this, so Apple is behind" issue

I guess some people inadvertently put a piece of tape on their TouchID sensor and later wonder why their thumb won't unlock their phone. Or use a gloved hand and are stymied as to why that doesn't work.

 

[Tech198]

I guess some people inadvertently put a piece of tape on their TouchID sensor and later wonder why their thumb won't unlock their phone. Or use a gloved hand and are stymied as to why that doesn't work.

Same thing really.. user covered it....

 

[6803390]

I guess some people inadvertently put a piece of tape on their TouchID sensor and later wonder why their thumb won't unlock their phone. Or use a gloved hand and are stymied as to why that doesn't work.

Weak argument. If user has an X, can the user use a gloved hand / with a wet hand be able to operate the device for example text someone? Currently, Touch ID is better than Face ID. Furthermore, no notch with Touch ID devices.

 

[citysnaps]

Weak argument. If user has an X, can the user use a gloved hand / with a wet hand be able to operate the device for example text someone? Currently, Touch ID is better than Face ID. Furthermore, no notch with Touch ID devices.

My post wasn't intended to be an "argument."

"If user has an X, can the user use a gloved hand / with a wet hand be able to operate the device for example text someone?"
To answer your question, yes. I do that with no issues.

"Currently, Touch ID is better than Face ID."
No, it is not. Having an iPhone X and using FaceID, I would never go back.

How long have you been using your iPhone X, to draw your conclusion?

 

[elmaco]

I think face id works pretty well and I'm not missing the home button, or the fingerprint sensor.

My only problem is that it sometimes locks up. Then I need to click the off button on the side and swipe the screen again and then it unlocks. This happens about one out of twenty and it's irritating. It seems like a bug to me. It's not like the iPhone can't recognise me. Hopefully this will be fixed in a future version.

Also, it doesn't work as well when it is dark. I think it would be nice if there was way to bring up the key pad right away, i.e 3d touch on the screen.

 

[44267547]

I have answered your questions, but please free to ask. If you have not noticed, my posts tend to be condensed..

No, you didn't. You failed to answer at least seven different questions posed to you. Keep deflecting. Personally, most of what you reply is drivel and has nothing to do with what I asked of you or is simply your own assertions.

I am not contanstly resorting to the power button - where could they include Touch ID, if not the power button? In you previous post or so, you argued about why it should not be placed at the back, so I no longer include. Also, I read that other companies including Apple tried to place the finger sensor under the screen but unfortunately did not succeed. I watch every keynote, as I like Apple products, so I know that Apple will not go that route.

Again, for a third time, the power button has nothing to do with this. Apple chose otherwise with Face ID. You keep resorting to these alternative locations for a Touch ID. It doesn't matter, it's not a reality, even if you want to to be.

Why are you even bringing other companies into this? Who cares. Apple chose to abandon Touch ID, contrary your own disbelief, they don't feel the it was necessary to include anymore.

If you watched the Keynote, then you also would have known Apple said Face ID is their future versus you questioning why I said that. Which indicates you're not paying attention or reading thoroughly enough.

I said who will admit their flaws (nothing specific, this applies to any company) to the public? Your response was that I am calling others a liar or do you like twisting my words, which I find very distasteful.

This Post in general is a complete catastrophe in general. Honestly, a lot of what you're posting Is not even related or even on topic to what I was referring to earlier. You're simply way off topic. It's not about flaws, it's about the reality of what Face ID is and you simply keep conflating or posting your own theories that have no relevance to the actual thread.

And no, I never called anyone a liar. Again, you're posting false equivalency's to something that's not true. What you stated earlier was inaccurate, which I corrected you on. If you would read my post more clearly, please revisit the prior post to understand more thoroughly.

Who asked Apple to use that space? We were happy with iPhone before the X, but only asked for all screen without compromising Touch ID. When I said something useful meaning anything but Face ID - clearly went over your head. Finally, are you indirectly saying that Face ID is cheaper than Touch ID?

Read the bolded. Again, more frivolous arguments. Why does someone have to ask Apple who designed Face ID? Do you contribute to their research and development? You simply can't accept Touch ID is gone and you're taking the word 'compromise' out of context.

What does the cost of Face ID compared to Touch ID have anything to do with the last four posts? You're adding your own off topic ideations that have no prior relation to this discussion.

If you’re trying to discredit my posts with your pointless research then you have failed.

False. I provided direct links from verified Apple sources. Keep generating farces. It's not fooling anyone in this thread clearly.

One thing is for sure, iPhone X has divided Apple fans.

No, it hasn't. You want to keep defying others views and opinions by making silly arguments that I believe some of the material you simply cannot grasp or you don't want to understand it. A tech forum doesn't represent the majority. But you being dismissive of all the presented sources provided, you respond with nothingness and you refuse or choose to not answer the questions. Truthfully, I don't believe you even have an idea of your own flawed logic in your posts.

Ending this discussion For obvious reasons.


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Weak argument. Currently, Touch ID is better than Face ID.

"Better" is subjective. You don't speak for everyone, nor are you the vocal for everyone else outside a tech forum.

 

[Crzyrio]

Would you blindly drive using nothing but google maps turn by turn navigation to get you somewhere? Ridiculous analogy.

What? that makes no sense.

It’s not even analogy! LOL

On the iPhone X, we can use Face ID to secure your banking apps.

But you can’t do that on Androids because it is not secure enough. They require fingerprint sensors

 

[44267547]

https://www.yahoo.com/amphtml/finance/news/negative-news-emerges-apple-iphone-232600183.html

Did you even read this link you provided or was this the first thing you Googled? It's drafted from Digitimes and has no validation without Apple specifying any actual sales numbers. Furthermore, what does this have to do with Face ID directly? Even the article says the information may not be factual.

 

[R3k]

I do wish it also had Touch ID under the display. There are times when I’m busy, the display’s gone to sleep and I want to check something again, but I don’t feel like leaning over and in for Face ID to work. Touch ID was faster and more reliable in those instances. But yeah, for the most part, Face ID is great. I especially appreciate now that winter is here it’s time to wear gloves.

We need both TID and FID on an iPhone.

 

[Baymowe335]

The last iPhone with Touch ID will be my last iPhone. Sorry Apple.

Face ID simply will not work safely in an automobile under any conditions. It's a severe limitation that other smartphones do not have.

The simplicity of one touch without even looking at it is a better feature to unlock a phone.

Apple has lost the simplicity in Timmy Cook's gadgetry fetish.

I’m glad you can’t use your phone while driving. People are terrible drivers anyway and phones just make them dangerous.
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We need both TID and FID on an iPhone.

No we don’t and it will never happen.

 

[jkichline]

Does not Touch ID works just as good (even faster) but without the need to swipe? One may call it "invisible security".

The swipe up is how you go to home on iOS. That way you can view notifications and then go home when you want.

 

[elmaco]

Face ID works great, especially if you take into consideration the larger screen you get.

I don't want to back to a home button and fingerprint sensor. Keep up the good work Apple!

 

[ckhris1613]

Also, it doesn't work as well when it is dark. I think it would be nice if there was way to bring up the key pad right away, i.e 3d touch on the screen.

This right here would make me miss the finger print sensor.
Hey can u turn on the light so I can unlock my phone.

 

[inscrewtable]

That video was like a 4 minute personal whinge. Even the tone was whiny.

 

[IJ Reilly]

So by that logic, what you're saying is that apple should make it harder for people to text while driving? 1. Is that apple's job? 2. Are you implying that by trying to make texting and driving harder, that it will decrease the amount of people who text and drive? Do you have data to support that? iPhones already have Do Not Disturb and driving features to try and prevent it, doesn't work.

So by that logic, Apple should not do anything to discourage the irresponsible use of their products? That's an interesting theory. I wonder where you're finding data to support your contention that it "doesn't work," especially given Apple already does precisely the thing that you seem to fervently believe they should not be doing.
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Seems there are a lot of upset people here who are unhappy that FaceID works so well. I wonder why that is?

Well it doesn't scratch your back and bring you a beer and your slippers. Total fail.

 

[Gradly]

It just works

Face ID works perfectly with me. And thanks God that I don't have those weird scenarios lol that people want to bring up to tell you that it doesn't work well and make it sound like a deal breaker to them. When I want to use my Phone I actually and literally use it, I'll not keep it on the table and glance from far away to do anything that's USEFUL, I either write or read and both scenarios I need to hold my phone whether there is a fingerprint sensor or camera or whatever.

And for those still wondering why Apple didn't keep Touch ID along the new Face ID then I don't think they understand how Apple works regarding their technologies / how they adopt and ditch their techs

I hope in the next Face ID generation (next year?) they will make it faster, though I have no problem with its current speed, and most importantly I hope they make it work in all orientation

 

[AgentWalker]

Note8's iris scanner is also faster than Face ID.

And way less secure...
[doublepost=1512892797][/doublepost]When he mentions that he has to turn the screen off and back on to activate FaceID after he obstructs its view... He can actually just swipe from the bottom while its still locked and it will attempt to scan your face again and work...
Also, I hate that he mentioned the twin thing in here.. He obviously didn't read those cases because the twin had the password and kept unlocking the device so it would scan brothers face and match it to the owner. Same with that mom and her kid...

 

[Piggie]

So because you (and others) prefer Touch ID over Face ID Craig Federighi and Dan Riccio are lying? It’s ridiculous to think Apple would go through all the work of Face ID just because they couldn’t get Touch ID under the display working. If Apple preferred Touch ID the only phone we would have seen this year was the 8.

I'm not saying I prefer TouchID over Face ID.
I'm simply saying that, it's obvious to everyone both have their plus and minus points.
Touch ID means you phone can be unlocked whilst you are taking it out your pocket or off the desk, used at any angle, even when you and snuggled up in bed, or in the cold with your face covered quite a bit.
And for someone to unlock your phone, they would have to actually grab your hand AND know which finger to press on the sensor to unlock the phone. 1 in 10.

Face ID means you can unlock with gloves on, or have perhaps wet/dirty hands.
But It needs your phone to be held up, in the correct orientation, and get a nice full shot of your face in order to unlock it.
It's easier for someone to unlock your phone, as unlike touch ID, if I did slip your phone out of your pocket or off the table. All I need do it call you, or tap you on the shoulder, you turn around, look at what I'm holding (your phone) and before you actually understand what's happening, your phone unlocks for me.

I did think about this, it would be pretty easy to do this and you not even know.
You just need something with a area cut out of it the size of the notch, I hold your phone behind it, and the phone can still see you, but you can't see your phone, and this is only for a second remember.

Re your point about what Apple did.
Oh no, I'm not for one moment suggesting Apple started work on Face ID just because they could not get touch ID under the screen working. However, I'm not thinking Apple did not want to get touch ID under the screen working.
I'm sure they can work on more than one thing at once, and if they could not yet? make something work, then they promote the other.

Apple do lie

Remember how long a phone is in development.
We now know, Apple were working on large screen phones in secret at the exact same time they were telling us, the public large screen phones were stupid and to buy their smaller screen ones.

All companies lie

 

[Gradly]

I'm not saying I prefer TouchID over Face ID.
I'm simply saying that, it's obvious to everyone both have their plus and minus points.
Touch ID means you phone can be unlocked whilst you are taking it out your pocket or off the desk, used at any angle, even when you and snuggled up in bed, or in the cold with your face covered quite a bit.
And for someone to unlock your phone, they would have to actually grab your hand AND know which finger to press on the sensor to unlock the phone. 1 in 10.

I'm sorry to ask but do you own iPhone X? because I'm interested to know the opinion of firsthand users not those who think or speculate. You said having Touch ID the phone can be unlocked while in your pocket or off the desk but what is the point of doing so? I mean are you gonna check the phone after that or what? If so, then that's the purpose of Face ID

Face ID means you can unlock with gloves on, or have perhaps wet/dirty hands.
But It needs your phone to be held up, in the correct orientation, and get a nice full shot of your face in order to unlock it.

Here you make it sound like you need to be in a certain position similar to IRIS Scanner while in reality it is not. Actually you have some flexibility, you don't need to be perfectly vertically aligned to the phone for it to work, neither you do need to look straight into the notch, the whole Face ID setup process show you the exact angles it can detect.

It's easier for someone to unlock your phone, as unlike touch ID, if I did slip your phone out of your pocket or off the table. All I need do it call you, or tap you on the shoulder, you turn around, look at what I'm holding (your phone) and before you actually understand what's happening, your phone unlocks for me.

I don't think Face ID is fast enough to register your face and activate the iPhone in this scenario lol

Oh no, I'm not for one moment suggesting Apple started work on Face ID just because they could not get touch ID under the screen working. However, I'm not thinking Apple did not want to get touch ID under the screen working.
I'm sure they can work on more than one thing at once, and if they could not yet? make something work, then they promote the other.

Apple do lie

Remember how long a phone is in development.
We now know, Apple were working on large screen phones in secret at the exact same time they were telling us, the public large screen phones were stupid and to buy their smaller screen ones.

All companies lie

Apple should lie, because certain people out there waiting for any rumors from Apple to come out so they can work on their next move, and they don't have a problem of releasing a half baked solution so they look cool and start bragging about they did something first. Yea, Apple spends long time working on whatever tech they're planning to release, and you can tell by the date of patents that show up every time and then. So they should lie to protect their tech.

I wouldn't call that a lie tbh cuz a lie would be something like when / if they say that Animoji requires the notch depth camera setup but in reality it doesn't. Or if they say we don't collect private data or locations but turn out that they do, etc etc, those are just examples that I consider lies but thanks God that's not the case.

 

[Taipan]

I also like to check my phone when the phone is laying on the table. I notice that for Touch ID, I just need to use one finger to unlock the phone. But for Face ID, I had to use five fingers to raise the phone to unlock it. 1 vs 5... inconvenient.

Half serious answer: One might argue that if you have one finger on the iPhone, most of the time there are four more in close vicinity anyway...

 

[NOV]

"KGI Securities analyst Ming-Chi Kuo has said Face ID is years ahead of similar facial recognition techniques from Android smartphone makers"

...wait, so Apple HAS actually been working under Cook on a new technology ahead of the competition?

 

[Rogifan]

Re your point about what Apple did.
Oh no, I'm not for one moment suggesting Apple started work on Face ID just because they could not get touch ID under the screen working. However, I'm not thinking Apple did not want to get touch ID under the screen working.
I'm sure they can work on more than one thing at once, and if they could not yet? make something work, then they promote the other.

Apple do lie

Remember how long a phone is in development.
We now know, Apple were working on large screen phones in secret at the exact same time they were telling us, the public large screen phones were stupid and to buy their smaller screen ones.

All companies lie

The only reason people say this is because that’s what they wanted Apple to do. So they’ve talked themselves into this notion that Touch ID under the display was Apple’s first choice but they couldn’t get it to work so they did Face ID instead and anything they say otherwise is just a lie.