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Again just because you don't have 100% marketshare doesn't mean you can do anything you want.

The monopoly argument falls to bits when you have a ubiquitous competitor. Android is iOS's ubiquitous competitor.

And of course Apple isn't saying "let us do whatever we want." What Apple is saying is "we believe that our distribution system is fair and has created an ecosystem that benefits both users and developers. And everyone is free to opt out ... by buying their phone across the street."
 
Well, actually they have a right to tell you, and that’s how most agreements between two parties work. Then, whoever is the interested party has a right to agree or deny the request - and arguably decline the agreement itself - or simply keep the negotiation going.

The fact that you produce T-Shirts and want $25/shirt doesn’t mean that your distributor can’t come back and say that the pricing is too high, damaging their business, and that the right price should be $22/shirt. Then either party has to make a choice among several options.
Requesting a change (asking—optional) is different than telling (dictating—not-optional).

I didn’t say no one has a right to request a change. I said no one has a right to dictate one.

Negotiation is the backbone of a free market after all. If you can’t negotiate, you don’t have a free market.
 
The monopoly argument falls to bits when you have a ubiquitous competitor. Android is iOS's ubiquitous competitor.
No not really. There are different aspects of monopolies. Just because they have one competitor doesn't mean they can't be a monopoly. It gets really complicated when it comes to the law and government regulations.
 
The 30% cut isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that there is no way to sell an app to an iOS user that doesn’t involve Apple as a middle man. These aren’t phones, they’re pocket computers. If I want to buy an application on my laptop, I’m not forced to go through an App Store. I can if I want, but I don’t HAVE to. That’s the real issue. Why can’t I install an application on a device I own without going through Apple? If this became Apple’s stance on a desktop or laptop, many, many people would ditch Apple computers, but we are all too willing to put up with it on our pocket computers. Why?
 
No not really. There are different aspects of monopolies. Just because they have one competitor doesn't mean they can't be a monopoly. It gets really complicated when it comes to the law and government regulations.
Apple smacked down Epic pretty damn hard in the courtroom on exactly this point. Apple doesn't have anything near a monopoly on phones, and therefore its App Store behavior isn't anything near monopolistic.
 
The 30% cut isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that there is no way to sell an app to an iOS user that doesn’t involve Apple as a middle man.
I agree that this is going to be the sticking point.

These aren’t phones, they’re pocket computers. If I want to buy an application on my laptop, I’m not forced to go through an App Store. I can if I want, but I don’t HAVE to. That’s the real issue. Why can’t I install an application on a device I own without going through Apple? If this became Apple’s stance on a desktop or laptop, many, many people would ditch Apple computers, but we are all too willing to put up with it on our pocket computers. Why?
Because that's how it's always been?
 
Apple smacked down Epic pretty damn hard in the courtroom on exactly this point. Apple doesn't have anything near a monopoly on phones, and therefore its App Store behavior isn't anything near monopolistic.
I wouldn't call it a smack down and I wouldn't take one ruling by one judge in one country as meaning anything to the overall picture.
 
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Daniel Ek from Spotify says that Apple is a “threat to the future of the internet”? Why not a “threat to democracy”? Or maybe he can somehow link Apple to Nazi Germany and Tim Cook as the personification of Adolph Hitler? Hyperbole has no limits.
 
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The 30% cut isn’t the issue. It’s the fact that there is no way to sell an app to an iOS user that doesn’t involve Apple as a middle man. These aren’t phones, they’re pocket computers. If I want to buy an application on my laptop, I’m not forced to go through an App Store. I can if I want, but I don’t HAVE to. That’s the real issue. Why can’t I install an application on a device I own without going through Apple? If this became Apple’s stance on a desktop or laptop, many, many people would ditch Apple computers, but we are all too willing to put up with it on our pocket computers. Why?
Sell the app or the in app purchase? because you can sign up for Spotify through their website just like you can do all of your Facebook needs through safari. Using the app through the Appstore and having Apple be the middleman is basically the fee, because if something is wrong you dispute it with Apple and there you go. Want the convince of ending your Spotify subscription through the list of subscriptions in the App store that is the convince and charge. Me the consumer can choose how and where my money goes. If I want to pay a ever so slightly higher subscription fee to have my stuff through the Appstore/Apple to be able to cancel literally at any point I can, just as I can start my subscription via Spotify themselves although I don't know how easy it is to cancel through them, but I do know some companies make it the biggest hassle to cancel services.
 
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Tim at the end of the pond walk with Elon. "Hey glad we resolved the misunderstanding but **** man.. now you got these guys thinking its okay to fire people and now calling me out!"
 
I left spotify for apple music but the truth is spotify was much better to use, I left cause I waited a year for HD music and nothing.
 
Nobody is losing choice here, it is only these companies who feel that they are losing money to Apple. I get that. I also am empathetic to Apple, who looked at the shortcomings of the old OS hardware, software ecosystem, which was riddled with viruses, keystroke loggers and wanting to make something safer and more private. Is there anything stopping Twitter, Spotify, and Facebook from simply directing iPhone users to their website through the web browser?
Apples inconsistent TOS.
They can’t use Apple Pay like other apps or direct them to their website
 
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I just don't understand the logic of this. ALL brick and mortar retailers curate their products and take a cut. Nobody is suing Nordstrom, for example, to carry Kohl's brands. If one doesn't like what Nordstrom carries, they need to shop elsewhere and in this case use a different phone platform. Isn't it just that simple?
It’s not the same. Product sold at one store can be sold at any other store with zero changes done.

And an iPhone users can’t buy apps anywhere else. They are stuck.

It would be the equivalent of a car being physically prevented from buying any extra adding or trinkets from anywhere but one special brand store.
 
Expect almost every company that an online store like this charges the same amount. And retail is more like 40%.
That’s a lie. Multiple stores have lower fees.
Windows store
The new default 5% Store fee will apply for all transactions using Microsoft's commerce platform and, if your customer uses a deep link to acquire your application, that's all you'll owe.

But if Microsoft is actually responsible for the customer buying your products they take 15%
 
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Your logic is quite flawed. Nordstrom does not have a duopoly on retail clothing. I'm pretty sure if Nordstrom controlled 60% and Kohls had the other 40% marketshare, and they attempted to exert unfair control things would be different.

Bottom line is smartphones are now considered a basic utility (like phone service, power, etc. ) all those industries are regulated since consumers wont have choices, for example if i'm unhappy with my electric provider, I don't have other options. Apple made a business decision to lockdown the $1k phones we bought and prevented customers from being able to download and install apps unless we go through their app store. With this in mind, they are charging app developers a highway tax to be able to install on our phones. They can also remove apps based on whatever they want. This is too much control. If we had alterative app stores on our phones, we may be able to buy apps cheaper on another store, vs. apple's app store. But we have no choice.

With apple controlling over 55% US smartphone and Google with the other, they are a Duopoly and are highly subjected to regulation.

The question I always ask is, why am I able to install apps on my Mac or Windows OS without being forced into the MS app store. There is no reason this can't work on iPhone. Apple has made a business decision to make it this way, and they are abusing it. This will not last forever.
Your last question at the end of this post, I would ask why would Apple create new hardware products and a new OS, just to replicate the old hardware/software model. Why would they make something to just compete with the Mac? At the time, viruses and keystroke loggers were a persistent problem plaguing Windows more, but also Mac, in part because of the multiple routes to get software onto the computer. The iOS model was built as an alternative model, with sandboxing from the start. They create this app distribution model, via an App Store, a little bit later to further create a more secure platform, because people were tired of security concerns. And other companies still find a way around it by collecting and selling our data (looking at you, FB). And Apple does deserve a cut, the amount can be open for debate, for the hosting and distribution. The 30% drops after the first year, right? Apple will probably build up their services revenue and their ads, and then drop this percentage to a lower number. But they will fight against side loading, quite vigorously. Remember how they fought against jailbreaking the phone. What happened to that movement? That used to be seen as criminal and now people want it to be legit. Such are the times. That would be my guess as to what will happen.
 
Zuckerberg, Ek and Musk in bed together! What a sight that must be!

BTW, isn't Zuckerberg pocket 50% or so on Metaverse software?
 
Zuckerberg, Ek and Musk in bed together! What a sight that must be!

BTW, isn't Zuckerberg pocket 50% or so on Metaverse software?
I don't think Zuckerberg cares much for Musk. Zuckerberg just sees an opportunity and he's going to take it.
 
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Sell the app or the in app purchase? because you can sign up for Spotify through their website just like you can do all of your Facebook needs through safari. Using the app through the Appstore and having Apple be the middleman is basically the fee, because if something is wrong you dispute it with Apple and there you go. Want the convince of ending your Spotify subscription through the list of subscriptions in the App store that is the convince and charge. Me the consumer can choose how and where my money goes. If I want to pay a ever so slightly higher subscription fee to have my stuff through the Appstore/Apple to be able to cancel literally at any point I can, just as I can start my subscription via Spotify themselves although I don't know how easy it is to cancel through them, but I do know some companies make it the biggest hassle to cancel services.
But that’s not the entire point. It’s about Apple having all control over every app that filters through the App Store. They can decide what content I can have in an app, decide if something is misinformation or not, and can destroy an App by making their own and offering it for free. Apple is the proverbial judge, jury, and executioner. Either play by Apple’s rules or try a web app. Good luck with Apple’s APIs! This stifles innovation, freedom of choice, and the free market.

For the last 15 years I would say that the App Store was fine. When a new technology is released, there always needs to be some leeway to experiment and try things even if it means having monopoly power. But pocket computers are now a pretty standard thing. Experimentation is over. We all know how these things work and both developers and users no longer need training wheels. We can decide for ourselves what we want and don’t need a paternalistic Apple holding our hand while reaching into our pockets And telling us how lucky we are.
 
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