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Facebook and Spotify CEOs Slam Apple's App Store
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I am not sure the difference is marginal. For some apps, I prefer subscription through their own apps rather than in-app, for cheaper price.
Zuck is mad about Apple getting a cut, yet they’re still wasting BILLIONS on the “Metaverse” which has been nothing but a flop resulting in thousands in layoffs at Meta? 😂
True, but the issue is that Walmart has competition with other stores. What competition does Apple have with the App store? I own my iPhone, but can only download apps through the Apple App store.
Because Apple has a complete monopoly on the sale of apps for the iPhone, which is a multi-billion dollar industry. Neither of the examples you gave creates a monopoly for that company.
The stability of my iPhone is unmatched - this is directly tied to Apple’s tight control. I’m fine with the OS being locked down. I’m glad Apple doesn’t allow murder porn and fecal fetish apps. Developers of successful apps are making millions. The system is wide open to anyone. I’m a windows guy, the argument about what if windows was closed off similarly to Apple is definitely interesting. Makes my brain spin actually. ;-)
it is their App Store, any brick and mortar businesses can set their rules within legal government laws. This is literally no different. You want to get into Walmart, Costco, any other big resale business you play by their rules, they’re cut, everything governed by them and if you don’t like it your product isn’t in that store. I don’t see anyone saying there should be regulation on like Walmarts when it has been proven that Walmart being set up destroyed mom and pop shops but they are still around. Allowing the differences in the Playstore and the App Store is part of free market i don’t see what people don’t get…
What innovation comes from the Playstore/ android (App wise) that is truly innovative? Apple has had pretty much the same rules on the App Store since conception and it has been exponentially growing so evidently the free market has spoken. Freedom of choice? It has been said time and time again you can choose! Blame other phone companies for not developing! Any new phone company just wants to use a reskin of android because it’s easy and cost saving literally no one is stopping anyone from creation and execution except the bottom line….it Is easier to just use android reskin and use Google Services for basically the rest.
In a way you can blame Google and Android being Open Source, prior to Android beijg open source and Googles dominance in services there were plenty of stores and others out there.
We can debate where to draw the line, or just allow Apple to draw the line. They are the ones negotiating to sell the phone worldwide, are talking with all the relevant governments. At the end of the day, the blame will fall on them if the iPhone is somehow at the center of some nefarious activity whatever country it occurs in. The customers can choose their products, and Apple can also choose their customers by how they choose to present and market their products. If enough people don't like their choices, a market for an alternative will spring up. Cell phones are so expensive now, I think there is a growing market for a lower cost alternative. I don't buy the strength of the duopoly, especially with manufacturing diversifying out of China now.
Apple is not the only maker of mobile devices or app stores. I seem to recall other companies that have devices and app stores… just can’t put my finger on it…. Hmmmm….
I can’t help but think of that scene from the first Ip Man movie where the titular character faces off against 10 fighters, and proceeds to curb stomp each of them into the ground.
Apple’s track record so far.
1) Flash
2) Blackberry
3) Fitbit
4) Windows Phone
5) numerous android phone brands that failed to gain traction
Maybe
6) facebook (far from doomed, but ATT took a large chunk out of their profitability)
7) Spotify is far from doomed, but they haven’t turned a profit, and I will take a legal victory for Apple as a win.
8) Epic games store on iOS
Can anyone help me hit 10?
Apple’s track record so far.
1) Flash
2) Blackberry
3) Fitbit
4) Windows Phone
5) numerous android phone brands that failed to gain traction
Maybe
6) facebook (far from doomed, but ATT took a large chunk out of their profitability)
7) Spotify is far from doomed, but they haven’t turned a profit, and I will take a legal victory for Apple as a win.
8) Epic games store on iOS
Can anyone help me hit 10?
They negotiate. They allow apps into the App Store in exchange for a cut of the profits. Most developers, however, don’t have any chips to bargain with and have too little market share to have much negotiating power. Large developers, on the other hand, can sometimes negotiate better deals. Amazon has done this few times I believe.
You might argue that Apple dictates what people can and can’t put on the App Store, but that’s Apple deciding how to run their own business. Apple can’t dictate how other‘s businesses are run. (Epic is actually a good example. Apple can set the rules for entry to the App Store and enforce them, but can’t force Epic to keep their app on the App Store.)
I’m not arguing for or against Apple’s App Store policies or their choice to prevent side loading, I’m just defending their right to make their own business choices (whether good or bad).
Music industry.I can’t help but think of that scene from the first Ip Man movie where the titular character faces off against 10 fighters, and proceeds to curb stomp each of them into the ground.
Apple’s track record so far.
1) Flash
2) Blackberry
3) Fitbit
4) Windows Phone
5) numerous android phone brands that failed to gain traction
Maybe
6) facebook (far from doomed, but ATT took a large chunk out of their profitability)
7) Spotify is far from doomed, but they haven’t turned a profit, and I will take a legal victory for Apple as a win.
8) Epic games store on iOS
Can anyone help me hit 10?
Steve Jobs 2007 “Thoughts on Music” - where he criticizes the music industry, DRM and it’s ineffectiveness to stop piracy.
Also Telcos (Verizon)… Apple initially refused to make custom versions, variations and branding of iPhones for each telco and instead (initially) insisted that there be only “one” iPhone - partnering with AT&T. This shifted the power from the telcos to the device maker.
TBD still is RCS vs iMessages
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You are intentionally ignoring the fact that apple refuses to let spotify know that people can purchase on the wesbite.
When a vast majority of users never visit the website its an issue.
Apple PURPOSELY DOES NOT let app devs or companies let people know they can buy **** from the website. Apple says its so they can get their 30% cut on all purchases made using an apple device.
Apple in this case is preventing Spotify from even telling people about the audiobooks and since apple sells audio books this is an issue.
Spotify does not use Apples Infrastructure to host or stream or allow downloads of any content. Apple presented a plan to allow Spotify to sell audio books then when Spotify complied apple refused still. And Apple refuses to approve any app update allowing users to be notified via EMAIL at the minimum that they can download via the website.
So do not go around ignoring the fact that you have 1 company literally stopping another from offering services that don;t really involve "apples" systems. And the fact its only being done because apple also sells audiobooks.
Apple is allowing themselves to become a monoply and is preventing anyone else from offering the same services apple does.
Apple limits telling users they can go to websites to buy products/services yet apple is allowed to tell people they can go to any apple websites, and is allowed to email users and allow purchases on websites etc.
In the audiobook situation Apple is trying to kill Spotify;s audiobook business and cause monopolistic levels of harm.
Apple is not the good one in this one subject. A monopoly is using your market position so others can not offer a service or to use your market power to increase your prices and or to prevent competition.
Spotify wants to create a service that apple does not have "subscription audiobook stuff"
The understanding is that would take away from apples ****** audiobook services sales, The books app is beyond neglected.
Its infuriating how a company acting like a monopoly and using their position to stop others from doing buisness and to cause harm, has people who think they the abusers are innocent. Its crazy. Entirely crazy.
Its like no one paid attention in econ, history, or Government classes at all.
The issue with comparing android/google to apple in terms of app stores and control is that.
1. Google allows other payment sources.
2. Google allows 3rd party app stores.
3. Google allows side loading.
4. Google allows 3rd party side loading.
5. Google allows you as a user to use Adb to install applications.
6. Apple prevents other payment sources.
7. Apple prevents 3rd party payment sources.
8. Apple Prevents side loading.
9. Apple Prevents 3rd party side loading.
10. Apple Only allows User installed applications through MDM and a dev license thats 100$ a year.
11. Google does not prevent develipers from linking to a website to bypass googles payment source.
12. Apple blocks any and all mentions to a website or any method of trying to sell services or digital goods through anything but apple. You can't even tell the user you have a website.
There isn't much of a Duopply in a sense. There is only 1 manufacture fully locking everything down.
Google makes the android operating system and you are able to take it with google updates to AoSP and use it for free.
There are some cases where you need to include the google store etc depending on licensing. But you are not FORCED to include google services when you can make a phone with AoSP.
On google phones you can unlock them to install your own operating system or remove app stores and install your own.
With apple you can not remove key system services and can not install your own App Stores.
The reality is... Something people "here" do not like to accept and its ****in truth. Apple is has been and is becoming more of a bully to try and force other companies to not offer services.
In todays modern age a phone is not always a luxury and in many cases its a necessity. You have one company "Apple" making it as expensive as possible to use the device and any 3rd party services, and you have google who well with free AoSP basically made it possible for manufactures and app devs to be able to reduce costs and make things affordable.
That’s a a PC not a phone. Phone has many more privacy implications and risks. if you dont like it other options exist. People know what they are getting and can choose not to use an iphone if they care so much.
Apple doesnt take 30% cut after the first year. They take 15% because they still have to host the app and provide other developer services.
I doubt it.
Apple just needs to point to all the times these companies have abuse customers rights to privacy and then point out that they can ALSO just use a web browser for free.
I use Facebook for family reasons, but there is exactly less than zero change I will allow any of their apps onto any of may hardware, they can simply not be trusted.
I have also reduced my anti-social-media like Facebook by 90%, and deleted accounts on others entirely.