They re quiet because this is not a legitimate concern or argument. Now Google monopolizing search and using that to control advertising- that is a legit monopoly.
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Facebook CEO Mark Zuckerberg: Apple's App Store Blocks Innovation and Competition
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They re quiet because this is not a legitimate concern or argument. Now Google monopolizing search and using that to control advertising- that is a legit monopoly.
But only billion dollar businesses seem to think the AppStore has all the cards stacked against them. The reality is, small developers like myself and many thousands of others can compete on the same level as everyone else because it is no longer prohibitively expensive to sell an app or a game to billions of people.
I have a hard time seeing Zuckerberg as anything but a child...
I understand how you feel. Unfortunately Apple has to make a stand. If they start doing exemptions, it will get very complicated. It will be like doing taxes. So many loop holes to figure out. That said, most loop holes really only help the rich. That means the big developers
Which is a good thing to happen, let the consumers decide where to buy Apps from.
I would go to Apple, others may have a different choice.
Apple is also overdue for a consumer class action lawsuit for overbearing and overreaching control of consumer owned devices paid in full. Apple blocks apps like free open source Retroarch because it's emulation but yet allows paid VMWare, Parallels, etc. It's my device and Apple has no say in what I can or can't run on it.
Their rules are constantly changing to favor their anti-competitive behavior.
Somebody should diff all the agreements since 2007, align with new feature introductions and app bans.
If only FB cared as much for peoples‘ privacy.
Oh, wait - then they wouldn‘t make any money.
Apple sells hardware and bundles it with highly integrated software.
Apple has no (economic) interest in users‘ data. Hence their measures to earn their users‘ trust by doubling down on privacy.
FB/Google sell their users‘ data to make money. I call it they prey from their products (If something is free, YOU are the product).
Apple sells devices and services and has an actual interest to please their customers.
In FB‘s/Google‘s products, the appeal to people is only a by-product of their actual business.
Oh, wait - then they wouldn‘t make any money.
Apple sells hardware and bundles it with highly integrated software.
Apple has no (economic) interest in users‘ data. Hence their measures to earn their users‘ trust by doubling down on privacy.
FB/Google sell their users‘ data to make money. I call it they prey from their products (If something is free, YOU are the product).
Apple sells devices and services and has an actual interest to please their customers.
In FB‘s/Google‘s products, the appeal to people is only a by-product of their actual business.
Apple is the only one making phones? News to me. /s
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Everyone is out there slashing throat to get Apple’s money.
boo hoo zukerberg! Sir, you are such a CRYBABY.
boo hoo zukerberg! Sir, you are such a CRYBABY.
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FB couldn’t innovate their way out of a paper bag, which is why the majority of their innovations have failed. Even their copycat innovations have failed. About the only thing they’re good at is buying other people’s innovations
The problem is you can't really have both those. A secure and protected platform that keeps the spying apps off can't really exist if you open it up to install anything you want from anywhere. I suppose you can let the consumer choose to soil their device but it will be Apple that is held responsible when someone sideloads a malicious app (on purpose or scammed into it). Then, everyone will be crying that Apple doesn't do enough to protect our privacy.
I choose a secure, albeit restricted, device that I can trust.
...but Facebook devouring other social media platforms, like Instagram and WhatsApp, is perfectly okay though. All these mega corps fighting over their version of fair is rather depressing.
Facebook has no position in the world to wave a disapproving finger at anyone.
We don't forget Zuckerberg: https://www.businessinsider.com/emb...confirmed-by-zuckerberg-the-new-yorker-2010-9
It was created and purchased “as is”.
This is similar to arguing that my AM/FM radio hardware is overbearing because I also want shortwave bands. I may want it, and it doesn’t have it, but that does not make it wrong.
Facebook and Epic's logic: Let Amazon open a store in every Walmart without paying a rent or a commission on sales... oh and by the way, we want to gather all your customer informations inside and outside of your store and sell highly overprice pieces of clothing to small kids...
Hey Mark,
I have an idea: Build a Facebook phone. Grow a loyal consumer base. Charge your customers whatever you want for whatever applications you create. Use their data to send predatory advertising as you wish.
Oh, wait....
I have an idea: Build a Facebook phone. Grow a loyal consumer base. Charge your customers whatever you want for whatever applications you create. Use their data to send predatory advertising as you wish.
Oh, wait....
I think the animosity goes back a ways. Apple has called out FB over privacy, and has repeatedly stated that FB users are their product. And new iOS 14 features will prevent some FB ad revenue.
Despite the fact that developers agree to the App Store terms when they publish their app, and despite Apple being consistent, FB decides to push this weak narrative.
Despite the fact that developers agree to the App Store terms when they publish their app, and despite Apple being consistent, FB decides to push this weak narrative.
Nope it would be the worst thing possible.
It would mean that parental controls on budget use are gone (or do you think those selling berries at 1000$ a pop would care to implement self-control if they don't have to in order to be allowed on the app store?)
It would mean that we all have to use dozens of different stores as all the big ones would rather have their own store than to pay Apple or anybody else.
It would mean the small developers would lose out big time as the big developers leave the apple store and hence they won't get the economy of scale there is now that allows them to get everything they need for 99$ a year.
It would mean the Apple app store become less relevant as the big ones disappear rom it and it would hurt the small developers big time as the Apple app store becomes less relevant to users. I wish them good luck on finding another app store that's going to be as fair to the small devs as to the huge ones as Apple is today.
It would mean you need to upgrade apps from every possible app store every time. You'd have to track down which app store has what app today for yourself, ...
It would mean much more uncontrolled access to all the sensors on our phones and that will lead to much more massive privacy violations.
The moment Apple stops being the gatekeeper to my phone by allowing another app store on it, is the moment I sell my iPhone and buy the dumbest phone I can find instead.
Or maybe just uninstall every last 3rd party app on it till it needs replacement.
If I wanted an android device, I'd have bought one.
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Being kicked out of Walmart isn't too big a deal - you can continue selling your product at Target, Amazon, Best Buy. Your customers can keep shopping at Walmart and they can also enter those other marketplaces to buy your product.
Being kicked out of the iOS App Store is not the same. It's like being kicked out of the country. You can no longer sell in the US. You can continue selling in Canada, but most people don't cross back and forth between the US and Canada. Most people within the US won't enter Canada ever, period.
Speaking out against Apple and the iOS App Store is a BIG deal. You risk being kicked out of the iOS App Store. This is an enormous risk because the iOS App Store is a monopoly - if your app isn't there, people with iOS will likely never buy it. It doesn't matter how much they want it - asking people to switch to Android is like asking people from the US to move to Canada. Some people will. Most people won't.
If the iOS App Store wasn't a monopoly, people wouldn't be afraid of speaking out against it. But it is a monopoly, and so people are afraid. With each person willing to say it, it requires less courage - Apple can't afford to have every big name leave. Epic started this, and as the risks go down, more people are willing to join in.
I do wonder - did Facebook, Microsoft, or Amazon pay Epic to start this? Or did Epic start it on their own accord? The truth will likely come out in a few years, after the dust is settled and Apple's monopoly is a memory.
Being kicked out of the iOS App Store is not the same. It's like being kicked out of the country. You can no longer sell in the US. You can continue selling in Canada, but most people don't cross back and forth between the US and Canada. Most people within the US won't enter Canada ever, period.
Speaking out against Apple and the iOS App Store is a BIG deal. You risk being kicked out of the iOS App Store. This is an enormous risk because the iOS App Store is a monopoly - if your app isn't there, people with iOS will likely never buy it. It doesn't matter how much they want it - asking people to switch to Android is like asking people from the US to move to Canada. Some people will. Most people won't.
If the iOS App Store wasn't a monopoly, people wouldn't be afraid of speaking out against it. But it is a monopoly, and so people are afraid. With each person willing to say it, it requires less courage - Apple can't afford to have every big name leave. Epic started this, and as the risks go down, more people are willing to join in.
I do wonder - did Facebook, Microsoft, or Amazon pay Epic to start this? Or did Epic start it on their own accord? The truth will likely come out in a few years, after the dust is settled and Apple's monopoly is a memory.
I think perhaps it's a little naive to assume that Apple has no economic interest our data, but I agree with many of your points.
That being said, while the eyeroll-worthy hypocrisy of companies like Epic Games, Facebook, and Microsoft slinging mud at Apple's App Store policies is glaringly obvious, Apple's 30% cut is too high and it will likely be coming down soon.