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Coke doesn't need to run a store INSIDE of Walmart. They need to be able to have their own store.
How hard is it for people to understand the PLATFORM (iOS/iPad OS) is not the STORE (AppStore), and that the restriction of only having the AppStore and only using App Store payments is what is the issue. You shouldn't even need a store.

Thank god they are fighting back now, I would go ballistic if Apple thought they could get away with bringing this eventually to the Mac

I believe the point of the store is to provide some sort of “sense of safety” to the user who is downloading the application. The idea being that if someone is testing the apps in some way, they are inherently more safe to download to your device than something you randomly come across on the internet, for examples sake. Open to interpretation, obviously.
 
Thats not at all what they said
Facebook is charging $0 fees to their customers on this service
Want me to repeat that?
$0 fees, NO FEES, need me to spell it out?
N O F E E S

This isn't even for "content", its for local businesses holding online events to replace in-store events during COVID-19. Sounds like tangible goods and something that would be outside of the 30% fee normally, but hey, Apple never stops being Apple.

Wrong. We get hit with fees. So now we take measures steps to avoid our customers using FB in this regard.
 
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Sure, negotiate the 30% but these companies don't wanna pay any of it....how is a company that builds and maintains the OS, hardware and other supporting services for the companies to be able to sell their Apps not entitled to a percentage for the work?

It is an "App Store". I think Apple is fair in taking a cut of app revenue.

It gets a little dicier when arguably the value of Facebook is the service -- and not necessarily the app, which is similar between iOS and Android -- so why should Apple take a cut of the service revenue?
 
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Then Playstation, Nintendo, TV-boxes and Samsung's connected fridge should open up to forced apps with fee-free in-app purchases. Not everything needs to be a PC.

Apple should be paid with influencer exposure lol

Oh poor apple, benefitting from having Apps on their platform, making their platform more appealing to customers, having billions in the bank and not being able to make 30% on stuff they aren't actually producing.

Cry me a river.

So your whole premise is they have a lot of money, mind you none of their products are one of a kind so people happily pay for their stuff because they're that good which made them that successful. Unlike Concast that everyone hates but have no choice but to pay them like a mafia pizzo in order to get online, let alone net neutrality out the window which makes it even worse....
 
Wrong. We get hit with fees. So now we take measures steps to avoid our customers using FB in this regard.

Wrong again
This is a new service from FB, not any of their existing services
Its clear as day in the story
 
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It gets a little dicier when arguably the value of Facebook is the service -- and not necessarily the app, which is similar between iOS and Android -- so why should Apple take a cut of the service revenue?

Can you elaborate on this one? not following what you mean.
 
Things are getting really interesting now and I wonder how Apple will market their way out of it. I have zero doubt they WILL, but curious how.

And, I wonder what would happen if developer unilaterally pass on those 30% commission fee to customer from the very beginning? Both on App Store and Play Store.

For everyone who says those companies are skirting paying Apple fees for support, I highly doubt that’s their true intention. What they demand is more like a better fee structure that don't hurt developer too much regardless of business size and force Apple provide actually better service instead of leveraging their platform advantage to limit developers introducing competing solutions that are much better.

Do keep in mind though. This issue is not as simple as a lot of people may think. Stop believing it is either black or white, It is not, and situation can be a lot complicated.
 
Facebook is only waiving the fee for small businesses for the next year. You can bet they'll be looking to take a cut if it proves successful. This waived fee isn't likely because they're supporting small businesses as they claim, but about getting people in the door and relying on it, so when they do add a fee, people are less likely to stop using it.

If there was a fee upfront, most wouldn't bother using it. If they get used to using it and build their business on it (such as weekly trivia or yoga classes), then when a fee is added, it'll be much harder to say "Forget this." and go find another option, rather than continuing to do what they've already become accustomed to (not to mention the pain in moving to another platform and finding free provider).

It also is giving them an opportunity to make someone else look like the bad guy for once. They've been trying hard to focus the blame on someone other than themselves for a while now, as they continue to generate bad press.
 
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This is easy to fix. If Facebook believes so strongly that the fees are hurting small businesses, then Facebook should put its (seemingly limitless) money where its mouth is, and absorb those fees themselves, without passing them on to the small businesses. It's important, right? RIGHT? Problem solved.
 
Facebook is only waiving the fee for small businesses for the next year. You can bet they'll be looking to take a cut if it proves successful. This waived fee isn't likely because they're supporting small businesses as they claim, but about getting people in the door and relying on it, so when they do add a fee, people are less likely to stop using it.

If there was a fee upfront, most wouldn't bother using it. If they get used to using it and build their business on it (such as weekly trivia or yoga classes), then when a fee is added, it'll be much harder to say "Forget this." and go find another option, rather than continuing to do what they've already become accustomed to (not to mention the pain in moving to another platform and finding free provider).

It also is giving them an opportunity to make someone else look like the bad guy for once. They've been trying hard to focus the blame on someone other than themselves for a while now, as they continue to generate bad press.

Does long term motivation matter when they are in the right? I hate Facebook as much as the next person. The story from yesterday about stuff they abandoned in the ocean while laying fiber was another example of them being in the wrong.... but no one is required to use this service from facebook. If companies use it for a year during the free period, good for them.
 
Coke doesn't need to run a store INSIDE of Walmart. They need to be able to have their own store.
How hard is it for people to understand the PLATFORM (iOS/iPad OS) is not the STORE (AppStore), and that the restriction of only having the AppStore and only using App Store payments is what is the issue. You shouldn't even need a store.

Thank god they are fighting back now, I would go ballistic if Apple thought they could get away with bringing this eventually to the Mac
You are right about the platform and the store. I definitely know the difference. Walmart would still not be happy if Coca-Cola started a cheap store next to their store. Would Walmart stop selling Coca-Cola?
 
You are right about the platform and the store. I definitely know the difference. Walmart would still not be happy if Coca-Cola started a cheap store next to their store. Would Walmart stop selling Coca-Cola?

Not likely, because Walmart is a convenience.... you don't generally go to the store for just coke. Nike and others have their own outlet stores; doesn't stop Walmart from carrying them.
 
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Sure, negotiate the 30% but these companies don't wanna pay any of it....how is a company that builds and maintains the OS, hardware and other supporting services for the companies to be able to sell their Apps not entitled to a percentage for the work?
Nobody said Apple wasn't entitled to a commission on the purchase. They're certainly not entitled to 30% though. THAT is the main issue. You use a credit card at a business, they're paying ~2-5%. You sell an item on Amazon, you're paying ~12-15%. 30% is just astronomically high. Shoot, credit cards are limited by law to have a max APR of 29.99% percent due to 30% being seen as predatory. There simply is no way to justify Apple's stance on this.
 
I understand there's a lot of Facebook hatred here. Separate that from the issue at hand here.

A local business creates a paid event to teach attendees how to cook a particular dish or to discuss some particular topic or to host a party or ~whatever~

In what world is Apple taking 30% of the small businesses revenue for attendees justified? This isn't an in-app purchase to remove ads or to unlock additional levels for a game. This is Facebook offering businesses a way to reach their audience on the Facebook platform and giving them a way to sell tickets to a paid event the business will be hosting. Facebook is not collecting any fees and passing 100% of the sales price to the business after Apple gets it's (in this situation) ridiculous 30% cut. This is truly just hurting small businesses and Apple being tone-deaf, and if you're not seeing that it's because you're blinded by some hatred of Facebook for other reasons.
Collecting fees is the only thing Facebook is not collecting from their users.
 
This is getting interesting by the day. It seems large companies suddenly see an advantage in going hard against Apple. Whatever their reasons, they all seem to think now is the time.

I wouldn't be surprised if this escalates to something more prior to iOS 12's official launch and the newest iPhone, if that is the plan all along. I may be reading to much into it, but the companies fighting Apple also seem to be feeling each other out, seeing who is willing to do what through press releases. I can't tell if it's in reaction to the recent tech hearing on Capitol Hill or in anticipation of Apple's fall product refresh. Just odd all around.
 
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People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

The Apple Kool-Aid has never be this strong. This is mind-blowing. People actually do not want competition that would make choice and lower prices possible, and rather happily give 30% of all their purchases to Apple rather than most of it going back to developers. Apparently, **** developers that try to make a living of it. Apple is genius into milking its userbase with their whole consent.
I have not much sympathy for Facebook but in that case they are right.
This will be the decade of developers (big or small) revolting about the Apple-Google duopoly software distribution mafia, mark my words. This will be regulated at some point as the situation becomes more and more untenable, and hard. You have a handful of powerful execs at Apple and Google taking hostage the whole mobile software development industry with an arrogance and hubris that knows no limit. Developers are more and more pissed, the ressentment is strong, and that's not healthy for the mid and long term.

An angry indie developer.
 
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"Facebook claims Apple is damaging Facebook's profit margins by collecting fees from paid Facebook events."

Fixed!

Except that's not the case.

When a business owner schedules an event through Facebook on iOS, Facebook will make it clear that Apple is taking a 30 percent cut of the purchase price. Facebook is waiving its own fees for the feature "for at least the next year."
 
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People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

No.
Agreed. I love Apple and hate Facebook but some of the top comments here fail to understand the issue. The issue is that Apple is taking a 30% cut from small businesses who setup these classes, not Facebook.
 
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