Thats not how the 30% to 15% works. Its not First Year of the App. Its First Year of the Individual Subscription.
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Thats not how the 30% to 15% works. Its not First Year of the App. Its First Year of the Individual Subscription.
Epic hasn’t paid 30% for years. Their apps have been on the store for a long time.
Who the hell is running a business and not having to pay for a platform upon which to run their business??? Is Facebook punking us with this???
Only "paid" 70% of their hard-earned revenue? It's called margin, idiot, look it up. Any company would kill for 70% margin. (I know, these companies have other overhead, just making a point)
They should be paying 30% for all IAP. It doesn't matter how long an app has been in the store. Besides, Epic doesn't have subscriptions. I hope no one is subscribing to them.
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No it's not.
No it isn't. Good god.
You just told 10 different people that Epic isn't paying 30%.
User 1 subscribes in 2016, that first year their subscription is at 30%, 2017-2020 its at 15%
User 2 subscribes in 2020, the first year is 30%, the next is at 15%
In games, most users move on from a game before the year is up
So in games, Apple is almost ALWAYS taking 30%
Its not Oh, Epic released a game 10 years ago, so the last 9 years they've only paid 15%. That is WRONG
You are 100% correct, but tell me
PLEASE
why would someone need to subscribe to anything Epic makes for iOS? Do they even have subscriptions?
You were the one telling everyone that 30% was wrong, I only corrected you using your own example of Epic. If they have no subscriptions and only in-app purchases, then its always 30%.
I don't use anything from Epic
Yep. Everyone who disagrees with you, must be brainwashed or drugged. They cannot just have a different opinion. Got it. Certainly makes your argument stronger.
There is competition. They can buy Android devices and use other app stores or just side load. The biggest net result of this is increased piracy. At one of the game developers for whom I consulted, we sold apps on iOS, but on Android everything needed to be free to play with in-app purchase because the piracy was so great.
Apple has under 20% market share world wide. As a developer who does not want to pay Apple for appearing in the App Store, you are limited to just 80% of the market (or more if you can deliver your app as a web-based service). Give how easy you seem to feel it should be, I am curious why, even on Android, almost no small developers run their own app stores for mobile? Again, why is it so hard for you to understand that many users have purchased iOS/iPadOS/tvOS devices because of this safer walled-garden, not in spite of it?
Right, they have made it clear that they just want your data, and do not care whether you consent to give it to them. However, even in this case, they are still wrong.
Which duopoly is this? Developers on Android can host their own Android stores, or just let people side load their apps. If this is so easy, and Apple/Google add so little value, why is that not the norm?
I can guarantee you one thing, that if it is regulated you, the independent developer, will not be the winner.
How are they holding anyone hostage? You as a developer can only target your app at the dominant platform and still be able to hit 80% of the world wide market. On that platform, you can create your own store or just let people side load your software.
You can do this today. That is not what you want. You want all the benefits of Apple’s store and ecosystem and just do not want to pay for it.
Please explain what is stopping you from just creating your own store for Android or explaining to your customers how to side load your product?
If Apple is damaging small businesses, why do they offer their services or products through iOS Apps? Are they not aware enough or capable enough to figure out whether they benefit (on-net) from doing so?
But yes, Apple hurts these businesses in the same way that employees hurt employers by expecting to be paid and restaurants hurt customers by charging for the food they serve.
But yes, Apple hurts these businesses in the same way that employees hurt employers by expecting to be paid and restaurants hurt customers by charging for the food they serve.
Facebook is in crazytown. They don’t even let you use Messenger via the web if you’re on an iPhone. I’d be very happy if Apple were to pull the FB app from their store!
And AirBNB makes all their money by charging fees on listings - and requiring experience hosts to give them the lowest price, which just kicks up prices across the board. These are all middleman schemes to enrich billionaires at the expense of the small businesses trying to scrape by.
And AirBNB makes all their money by charging fees on listings - and requiring experience hosts to give them the lowest price, which just kicks up prices across the board. These are all middleman schemes to enrich billionaires at the expense of the small businesses trying to scrape by.
The fun part starts when the big players do what Epic did... then Apple has only 2 choices:
The problem is, that the more attention this gets, the more likely is regulation. Right now, Apple should consider immediately dropping the fees to 12-15% for software retail and digital content and 3-5% where Apple only acts as payment processor (no digital content delivery). That could probably put a halt to the investigations, but the more companies jump the train, especially those being rejected from the market (like game streaming) the more likely a regulation to not just lower the fees but also force an open market, which means Apple really needs to argue their case when rejecting apps. But that's not the worst case for Apple... the worst case would be that they have to allow 3rd party stores or sideloading.
- Don't do anything, which will set a signal to everyone else
- Pull the apps and defacto confirm to the anti-trust investigators (who probably also use iPhones) that app-stores indeed need regulation.
The problem is, that the more attention this gets, the more likely is regulation. Right now, Apple should consider immediately dropping the fees to 12-15% for software retail and digital content and 3-5% where Apple only acts as payment processor (no digital content delivery). That could probably put a halt to the investigations, but the more companies jump the train, especially those being rejected from the market (like game streaming) the more likely a regulation to not just lower the fees but also force an open market, which means Apple really needs to argue their case when rejecting apps. But that's not the worst case for Apple... the worst case would be that they have to allow 3rd party stores or sideloading.
Not at all the same comparison.
Facebook is 100% free to have their own store on their own phone to see wharever they want for whatever price they want. Not our fault that the facebook phone flopped.
If you sell something within a store, you have to follow the store's rules or get the boot. It doesn't matter if It's the only app store on the iPhone or the only supermarket in the building also owned by the supermarket owner.
Facts are well known this guy says? Every story on the subject anywhere mentions the 30% fee on in app purchases. Obviously isn't as well known as you imply. You're certainly welcome to post some facts backing up your statement then.
What you are likely referring to is Apple's 'free with subscription' practices where there is a 30% fee for the first year then 15% for every year after. While that is true, that doesn't apply to this situation. The in app purchase fee is 30% regardless. Don't believe it? Here is the source: https://www.apple.com/ios/app-store/principles-practices/
So, in short, you're wrong and these companies ARE being charged 30% for these in app purchases.
What? I didn't say it was wrong. I agreed with you. I asked if Epic even has subscriptions to make the conversation about 15% relevant.
And if something isn’t a subscription and something you pay for ad-how (like extra dice rolls in games or removing ads) is it ever 15%?
Correct me if I am wrong: I thought that at the WWDC (or something around that time I read), Apple talked about how they want developers to talk to them about App Store policies and the such. Yet, instead of dialog being shared between the companies on media, we just see these companies making “complaints” about App Store policy. It just feels very one sided and petty.
To me, Facebook should have been more - Do to the changes in how businesses operate do to global pandemics, we are providing a new paid event service. This services will be limited to web browser versions of Facebook as we look at the terms of IAP and their effect on the revenue these businesses collect through this service. Blah blah blah.
To me, they shouldn’t even provide a way to pay for the events on iOS if they feel the 30% cut is to much. Just disable the IAP and then have proper meaningful conversation with Apple and/or Google.
I do feel that many of these companies need to majorly overhaul their policies and practices. The world is drastically different today compared to when these stores opened. All these lawsuits in the long run don’t help the consumer, who is the person truly being pinched.
To me, Facebook should have been more - Do to the changes in how businesses operate do to global pandemics, we are providing a new paid event service. This services will be limited to web browser versions of Facebook as we look at the terms of IAP and their effect on the revenue these businesses collect through this service. Blah blah blah.
To me, they shouldn’t even provide a way to pay for the events on iOS if they feel the 30% cut is to much. Just disable the IAP and then have proper meaningful conversation with Apple and/or Google.
I do feel that many of these companies need to majorly overhaul their policies and practices. The world is drastically different today compared to when these stores opened. All these lawsuits in the long run don’t help the consumer, who is the person truly being pinched.
So? You can chose not to book the event in the Facebook app at this time.
Not everything is implying Facebook is evil, this was about the hypocrisy and faux outrage.