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This will be the decade of developers (big or small) revolting about the Apple-Google duopoly software distribution mafia, mark my words. This will be regulated at some point as the situation becomes more and more untenable, and hard. You have a handful of execs at Apple and Google taking hostage the whole mobile software development industry. Developers are more and more pissed.

An angry developer.

I understand your frustrations and support the move for developers to make a better cut but I don't see this being regulated any time soon, heck look how bad derivatives hurt the economy and the game barely changed on wallstreet...
 
So a year from now will Facebook issue a press release that it is hurting small businesses by charging a fee for them to book events on the Facebook platform?

So? You can chosoe not to use that service at that time. Facebook says they are waiving the fee while Corona virus restrictions are in place, these are events that normally would be held in person by these small businesses.

Not everything Facebook does has to be evil.
 
Nobody said Apple wasn't entitled to a commission on the purchase. They're certainly not entitled to 30% though. THAT is the main issue. You use a credit card at a business, they're paying ~2-5%. You sell an item on Amazon, you're paying ~12-15%. 30% is just astronomically high. Shoot, credit cards are limited by law to have a max APR of 29.99% percent due to 30% being seen as predatory. There simply is no way to justify Apple's stance on this.

Yeah 30% is astronomically high. I sell stuff regularly on eBay and I think their 10% final value fee is sort of ridiculous but I can’t imagine paying 30%.

I just sold a Titan RTX on eBay for $2,250 and eBay took $225. 30% would have them taking $675.
 
Nice, i dislike facebook, but the enemy of my enemy is my friend. Let Facebook join the fight against AppStore monopoly, then later they fight against Facebook, the whole tech industry needs Roundhouse Kicks.
 
People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

No.

Sorry, this is Apple's store. It's up to them to decide what "makes sense".


When you BUILD an online store you can set the commission.
 
The idea that something like Facebook can even exist as a business is far more worrying to me than some argument over collection fees. They are the epitome of everything that is wrong with the web.

Facebook as it originally was designed, sure no problem let them exist....Facebook's overreaching control and breaking people's privacy along with straight out spying, heck no!
 
Agreed. I love Apple and hate Facebook but some of the top comments here fail to understand the issue. The issue is that Apple is taking a 30% cut from small businesses who setup these classes, not Facebook.
lol love a company, i love my wife, kids, parents, but not a stupid greedy company that love wallets.
 
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I'm not a fan of Facebook at all but inside their app, they should be able to use their own cc processing service. Neither Apple nor Android (if they do) should be getting involved in it, IMO.
 
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Sorry, this is Apple's store. It's up to them to decide what "makes sense".

When you BUILD an online store you can set the commission.

Epic has their own online store. Many others would build out their own online stores too. The problem is Apple won't let iOS uses download and install apps directly from them. You HAVE to use the Apple App store.
 
Yeah 30% is astronomically high. I sell stuff regularly on eBay and I think their 10% final value fee is sort of ridiculous but I can’t imagine paying 30%.

I just sold a Titan RTX on eBay for $2,250 and eBay took $225. 30% would have them taking $675.

I'm too lazy to do the math, but I imagine the scenario that you sell it on eBay and they take 10%, but then if the person used an iPhone to make the purchase, imagine if you had to give 30% to Apple, and if the buyer used Paypal or a credit card that's another 5% or so, then it's considered income and so the government wants it's percentage as well. Would you even have any money left after selling that to buy a coffee?

I'm surprised that the AT&T's, the Verizons, don't argue that Apple gets money claiming they enable it via their platform, but our networks make it happen just as much so maybe we should take 30% of all cellular transactions too.
 
Epic has their own online store. Many others would build out their own online stores too. The problem is Apple won't let iOS uses download and install apps directly from them. You HAVE to use the Apple App store.

Right. Because the developers that can't build out their own would have to compete with Epic and their own store. So you charge everyone the same percentage - especially if they could do it on their own - to ensure it's level for those who can't.
 
I'm too lazy to do the math, but I imagine the scenario that you sell it on eBay and they take 10%, but then if the person used an iPhone to make the purchase, imagine if you had to give 30% to Apple, and if the buyer used Paypal or a credit card that's another 5% or so, then it's considered income and so the government wants it's percentage as well. Would you even have any money left after selling that to buy a coffee?

I'm surprised that the AT&T's, the Verizons, don't argue that Apple gets money claiming they enable it via their platform, but our networks make it happen just as much so maybe we should take 30% of all cellular transactions too.

Cell phone companies used to actually for things like music.... wasn't it Apple put their foot down and said you can't collect a tax on purchases if you want our phones?
 
Right. Because the developers that can't build out their own would have to compete with Epic and their own store. So you charge everyone the same percentage - especially if they could do it on their own - to ensure it's level for those who can't.

What? That barely even makes sense .... and when it does, it doesn't make logical sense. Epic selling their software outside of the App Store doesn't hurt those in the App Store.... it makes it harder to find Epic software.
 
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Anyone that supports Apple is just suckling their teet at this point. A 30% commission on in-app purchases is robbery.

None of these companies (Epic, Spotify, etc) are being charged 30%. That was first year only and that was years ago.

Anyone who maintains this 30% fixed commission myth is either a misinformed noob or being dishonest because all the facts are well known.
 
Cell phone companies used to actually for things like music.... wasn't it Apple put their foot down and said you can't collect a tax on purchases if you want our phones?

Yup. The original iPhone broke the grip carrier had on hardware:
1. No carrier logo on the hardware.
2. Device managed voicemail.
3. No subsidies
4. No carrier only tech support.

With iOS 2 came no carrier involvement with apps.
 
Jeez - all any of them need to do is sell on their website and just log in through the app. All they are doing is using the App Store to access their web services, Apple just doesn't want them using it to advertise.
 
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What? That barely even makes sense .... and when it does, it doesn't make logical sense. Epic selling their software outside of the App Store doesn't hurt those in the App Store.... it makes it harder to find Epic software.

Epic not paying Apple their 30% means that they can charge less and make more. This gives Epic an advantage over a new studio that can't do that.
 
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