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Facebook Claims Apple is Damaging Small Businesses by Collecting Fees From Paid Facebook Events

The_Gream said:
With all this chat, I hope the companies figure this stuff out.
The last thing we as consumers what is the US politics making polices/regulations on these stores - I hope I don’t have to list reasons way...

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Why not? That's exactly how a government is supposed to work. It's supposed to regulate the free market to keep it fair and competitive.

Aren't we the ones who demanded Net Neutrality legislation so the government could stop Comcast or Verizon or whomever from selling web access ala carte and blocking sites that don't pay up for full speed?

I know you were joking, but this is exactly the sort of anti-competitive monopolistic behavior that gives free market capitalism an ugly reputation.
 
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TravelsInBlue said:
People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

No.
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What about royalty and licensing fees for Xbox, Playstation and Nintendo Switch? Those are approximately 30% as well. I believe the Epic store is lower though closer to 10%, but they make money off other ways such as licensing the gaming engine.

It's like a supermarket ... they pay employees, rent, utilities, provide the supply chain and distribution ... this is all to make a profit? It's like a can of beans ... it's going to cost them 50 cents but they are going to sell it for a dollar.

Except in this case, Epic wants the supermarket to sell an empty can for $0 in the supermarket and refill the beans in the parking lot. Supermarket says that's okay but you can't advertise it on the can. Epic says no way and demands that the Supermarket sells the can of beans for 70 cents which also undercuts all the other brands of beans.
 
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SDJim said:
Who the hell is running a business and not having to pay for a platform upon which to run their business??? Is Facebook punking us with this???

Only "paid" 70% of their hard-earned revenue? It's called margin, idiot, look it up. Any company would kill for 70% margin. (I know, these companies have other overhead, just making a point)
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Yeah, Facebook then shouldn’t charge anything for Facebook ads.
 
SpringKid said:
If a company wants to make let's say 60 cent on an IAP, they should charge 90 cent and they will get 60 cent. What's the problem here?
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The problem is now, you the consumer, are being overcharged to supplement Apple’s greediness.

Same as free shipping online. It isn’t free. It’s now just built in to the price to give the perception of it being free.
 
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kuwxman said:
The problem is now, you the consumer, are being overcharged to supplement Apple’s greediness.

Same as free shipping online. It isn’t free. It’s now just built in to the price to give the perception of it being free.
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I can also turn the argument around on its head. Without the 30% cut, how do I know if prices will be lowered or if the developer will simply continue charging the same price and simply pocket the difference?
 
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[AUT] Thomas said:
Nah, that's not close to the scenario we have with the App-Stores...
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Are you sure about that?

[AUT] Thomas said:
You are not a beef producer, you produce the final product that ends on the table 1:1. You are technically perfectly capable of serving your stuff to the customer directly...
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Actually the developer is both.
The developer writes the raw/source code through Xcode. (ie you produce the code)
The the developer compiles the code into something the end user can actually use (ie you are now cooking the raw code into a finely cooked user digestable app)

Also you assume the beef producer can cook. Not all of them can cook or want to cook. They have the option of learning how to cook and selling their cooked beef they cooked themselves if they want to though.

[AUT] Thomas said:
You could build your own restaurants and sell it yourself, but McDonalds and BurgerKing unfortunately own all the land and won't sell or even rent to you knowing that would cost them revenue. As such you can sell to them or not at all...
Now that's much closer, but still not perfect.
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Burger King and McDonalds don't own all the land though.
The better analogy is Burger King and McDonalds own all of the prime city land where all the people are. You can still buy land in a less preferable location to set up your fast food joint if you want to. It will just be tougher to get customers because they are already hooked on the convienence of McDonalds and Burger King. Though if you work hard you might just pull it off.

[AUT] Thomas said:
If you are a developer you are basically forced to have you product on Android and iOS. Some things might even fail completely if you can't reach both plattforms, like messengers.
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Basically forced is not actually forced. Either you are or are not forced. It's a hard are forced or are not forced. In this case it's a clear not forced
You are free to develop your own hardware platform to put your own app store on if you don't like the google store or iOS store.

It's far easier to gross dollar one on an already established platform such as the google store or iOS store that I agree with. However that's a different, though related point. Nothing to do with what the developer is forced or not forced to do.
 
Abazigal said:
I can also turn the argument around on its head. Without the 30% cut, how do I know if prices will be lowered or if the developer will simply continue charging the same price and simply pocket the difference?
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LOL. Yeah, if Apple actually reduced the percentage yet we don't see any changes form the consumer end, then we know who's the greedy ones.
 
TravelsInBlue said:
People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

No.
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Well, yes, as a shareholder it makes me feel all glowy inside. On the other hand, it should lighten up on small devs, because they're artists who need to survive, prosper, and grow. On the third hand **** Facebook; anything that annoys them and pokes them with a stick is good.

I don't care about Fortnite, but they should totally make peace with xCloud because I wanted that. I'm sure Epic is ranting and raving and making 1984 Apple commercial parodies because 1- publicity, 2- they want to cut a better deal.

DinkThifferent said:
Oh boohoo Mark Zuckerberg. Do we all get a 30% fee for all our data you sell?
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Ya, that. See, it's impossible to feel bad for Facebook. Anything terrible that happens to them is funny (shorting their stock fills me with the same glowy warmth as APPL going up).
 
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TravelsInBlue said:
People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

No.
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I agree. This would be like if I buy a Prius and start a ride sharing service with it and then Toyota gets a 30% cut of my revenue. That's blatant rent-seeking and anti-competitive. @Rogifan
 
Rogifan said:
Now the New York Times has picked up on this story. It’s not going to end well for Apple in the court of public opinion.

www.nytimes.com

How Apple’s 30% App Store Cut Became a Boon and a Headache (Published 2020)

App makers like the game company Epic and the music service Spotify are challenging Apple’s right to a large cut of their sales. Regulators have taken notice.
www.nytimes.com www.nytimes.com
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Facebook complaining about somebody else’s business practices? Now that’s rich!! 😂
 
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TravelsInBlue said:
People who fail to see the issue with all of this really need to put down the Apple Kool-aid. Sure, App Store purchases make sense to have a commission fee, but does it make sense for Apple to take 30% of every single transaction within the ecosystem, even inside of each app?

No.
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Is the only way to make that transaction is via the iOS app? No. You can simply outskirt the fee by doing it through the browser.

Facebook's claim is only valid if they show us how many transactions were done through the iOS app that got affected with the fee. Show us the percentage if that is significant for Facebook. My guess is they wouldn't want to show their numbers.
 
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Schismz said:
Well, yes, as a shareholder it makes me feel all glowy inside. On the other hand, it should lighten up on small devs, because they're artists who need to survive, prosper, and grow. On the third hand **** Facebook; anything that annoys them and pokes them with a stick is good.

I don't care about Fortnite, but they should totally make peace with xCloud because I wanted that. I'm sure Epic is ranting and raving and making 1984 Apple commercial parodies because 1- publicity, 2- they want to cut a better deal.



Ya, that. See, it's impossible to feel bad for Facebook. Anything terrible that happens to them is funny (shorting their stock fills me with the same glowy warmth as APPL going up).
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Speaking of xcloud - do you think MS would let Apple arcade onto Xbox? 🤔
 
SuperMatt said:
Speaking of xcloud - do you think MS would let Apple arcade onto Xbox?
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Apple Arcade is more like another tab in the App Store, than it’s own game streaming platform. The onus is really on the app developers themselves if they want to port their apps onto other platforms.
 
dukeblue219 said:
Why not? That's exactly how a government is supposed to work. It's supposed to regulate the free market to keep it fair and competitive.

Aren't we the ones who demanded Net Neutrality legislation so the government could stop Comcast or Verizon or whomever from selling web access ala carte and blocking sites that don't pay up for full speed?

I know you were joking, but this is exactly the sort of anti-competitive monopolistic behavior that gives free market capitalism an ugly reputation.
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I wasn’t joking. I don’t want US politics sticking their noses in it. You think it’s bad now. Just wait tell that senator holding an iPhone demands that Google fixes the phone. I am not saying don’t regulate, I am just saying don’t let the politicians make decisions on how to regulate. They will muck it up and hide some clause in there that benefits them and 💩’s on everyone else.
 
This really looks like a coordinated act to attack Apple’s business model so that some other mega corporations can eat into the App Store revenue and get App Store customers personal info.

Sometimes we must be careful when everybody especially the mainstream media is smearing a bad image into a person, a company, or even a country. Keep your own critical thinking.
 
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