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Facebook Criticizes Apple's App Store Policies, Launches Gaming App on iOS Without Games
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Between this and the Xcloud situation, it’s really soured my feelings towards Apple.
All I wanted was the ability to play these games on my phone/iPad yet Apple are denying me that.
Just doesn’t sit right with me.
All I wanted was the ability to play these games on my phone/iPad yet Apple are denying me that.
Just doesn’t sit right with me.
You say, “it’s about not being discriminatory. Apples guidelines aren’t discriminatory against different groups differently.”
Did you read the article or are you just trolling?
You are using the same logic used by anti-gay advocates (e.g. - A gay man is still free to marry a woman, so it isn’t discriminatory). It is discriminatory because they cannot create the apps in the way that they would like to (just as anti-gay marriage laws prevent people from marrying who they would like to).
This ultimately doesn’t matter though because anti-trust cases have nothing to do with having discriminatory policies (See United States v. AT&T, United States v. Microsoft) they are entirely about using your market position to stifle competition. You can have policies that treat competitors and non competitors equally and still be in violation of anti-trust law. Anti-trust law allows the government to do what is best for consumers/citizens, and it does not maximum for corporate freedom. If the US Justice Department thinks breaking up Apple would benefit consumers, they will do it.
Trust me, be it by the EU or the US (Apple is facing anti-trust cases in both regions), Apple will eventually have to open up their APIs for 3rd parties just like Microsoft had to in the early 2000s due to anti-trust legislation.
FB: "We knew we weren't going to get approved on the app store with games included, but we decided to waste engineering time anyways just to make the story more dramatic than it should"
It's funny when you think about it how much power these other companies if they only got together.
Get the companies to pull, overnight:
Facebook,
Twitch,
Twitter,
What's App,
TikTok,
YouTube,
etc etc.
Pull them all from Apple devices, and watch Apple poo themselves and have to cave in and change their policy
Apple would be screwed if people could not access their social/media platforms from iPhones.
Get the companies to pull, overnight:
Facebook,
Twitch,
Twitter,
What's App,
TikTok,
YouTube,
etc etc.
Pull them all from Apple devices, and watch Apple poo themselves and have to cave in and change their policy
Apple would be screwed if people could not access their social/media platforms from iPhones.
No game/app emulators (or something like that) has been policy long before Arcade.
(Possibly due to power consumption, but I don't believe they list reasons for their rules).
BS. Not at all the same argument.
No where has any anti competitive legislation said you build something from the ground up you then have to let other use your platform to make money and they can do it any way they want and force you to capitulate to what they want jot what the created wants.
The anti gay thing doesn’t hold water at all here. My argument would be more akin to you can’t force a particular religion to perform gay marriages. Nor can that religion stop a gay marriage from happening either. It just wouldn’t happen at that church. That’s not much different than you not seeing an orthodox catholic marriage in an orthodox Jewish temple. Just not the same thing.
Creating anti competitive conditions through market control is in part about discrimination in this case. You can’t argue otherwise since Xbox and PlayStation are massive Goliath’s in the gaming world. This isn’t about stopping games from existing, it’s about how people pay for them on the platform they didn’t build in the first place.
And if they do have to open up some they still won’t have to allow companies to do anything they want on iOS. In fact I’ll believe they will be forced to allow Facebook to create an iOS store just for iOS apps that cuts Apple out of both money and what apps work on the devices and how they work when I see it. Apple will make a privacy issue out of that and I can’t see them losing a privacy fight with Facebook.
And if that happens there then it will have to apply to all phone makers. Which is why it won’t happen.
Heck Android has more phones in the market than Apple does. How can a company that doesn’t even hold a majority of the phones be way more anti competitive than the bigger company they are chasing?
If people have an issue with Apple they should go to a different platform. Problem solved.
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I’d have zero issues. Neither would pretty much anyone else since they all have web access.
Oh facebook, trying to be the good guy. What a coincidence? Just like when they decided to release Reels after Trump said he'll ban Tik Tok. Facebook is a predator.
I would like to see these companies try.
Remember when Google stopped supporting google maps on iPhones, and Apple replaced them with their own maps app? Sure, the first few years were rough, but users stuck by their iPhones, and today, more people (in the US at least) are using Apple's default maps app over google maps.
This threat may still have been valid five years ago, where the discussion was about Apple facing the risk of Google turning off its services to Apple users. Today, I would argue that the reverse is true. Apple is now in the position of power. Think about how Google has to pay Apple to keep google search as the default on mobile safari, and would find itself in deep trouble if its arrangement regarding default search on iPhones and iPads was put into jeopardy. Moving forward, I daresay the amount of money Google is paying Apple to be the default search provider will likely continue to increase, and Google has little or no choice but to continue paying more to access what would be a declining portion of the Apple installed base.
Does this sound like Google is in control here?
Meanwhile, I foresee Apple continuing to step on other companies' turfs and launching its own services where it feels it has something different to bring to the table, such as having a much-needed layer of design (i.e. a focus on the user experience) or greater emphasis on data privacy and security.
What's changed is that Apple has been leveraging its hardware and software expertise to create a stronger ecosystem of products. This has given Apple the ability to strengthen its customer relationships while still attracting new customers. Said another way, the Apple ecosystem is gaining strength, and that strength is now beginning to extend to the adoption of Apple services. As a result, Apple is gaining power as a gatekeeper between these Internet companies and the most valuable customers that they need for their services: Apple users.
Such is the power of the Apple ecosystem.
In the US at least, Apple has iMessage and FaceTime to serve as alternatives to WhatsApp and messenger, while News (with its emphasis on human curation) could in theory serve as an alternative to Facebook's algorithm-based news feed. You can still access services like Facebook and YouTube via the browser (which ironically, would enable ad-blockers).
Personally if you ask me, consumers are not going to make the link. They are loyal to Apple first and foremost, and if any of these companies tried to pull their app from the iOS App Store, users are going to blame them, and not Apple. Whatever these companies' rationale may be, or however much they try to paint themselves as the victim.
And they will continue to lose money from not being able to access the majority of their best customers who use iPhones. In the meantime, Apple may look towards releasing their own competing alternative to siphon off these users (like how they have Apple music as an alternative to Spotify).
So I am willing to bet that it will be these companies who capitulate first.
Sorry, I’m on Apple’s side. This sounds like wealthy developers claiming they aren’t getting special treatment. The app guidelines are what they are. Protest to get them changed, but you shouldn’t complain about not getting special treatment.
Facebook criticizing others is rather laughable, in a hypocritical “don’t play by the rules” kind of way.
Facebook can take a hike as far as I am concerned but I must admit it would be kinda cool to play xbox games on my iOS devices if I wanted to using my gamepass ultimate account. With that being said I guess if one should be allowed on there then both should be I guess. Though you couldn't pay me to use Facebook for games of any kind so I hope they fail.
Do you know how much crap comprises the toxic waste that is Facebook? Apple's laughing at them like the little Dr. Evil in a cartoon show like they *DESERVE* dude. Period. Facebook of course will BE on their platform, but not the way they want or are trying to slimily push for - which is the whole point.
So how do you explain Spotify, Google maps etc?
This isn’t about keeping things off the App Store just to protect their own services, it’s about preventing malice software via a 3rd party route, and also clamping down on developers who are very happy to use Apple’s platform, but not comply with their rules, including privacy and associated costs.