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Facebook Criticizes Apple's App Store Policies, Launches Gaming App on iOS Without Games
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Funny. My wife and I love each other and if I told her I didn't like something I don't think she would continue buying it for me. "Hey! I know you hate cats but here is a litter of kittens!!! Merry Christmas!"
Works on iOS.
From Netflix (https://help.netflix.com/en/node/62526):
Interactive titles are a fun new way to experience Netflix. In each title, you make choices for the characters, shaping the story as you go. Each choice leads to a different adventure, so you can watch again and again, and see a new story each time.
It sounds exactly like a video game.
“It’s only bad if you click the buttons a lot.” -Apple
"The trouble with fighting for human freedom is that one spends most of one's time defending scoundrels. For it is against scoundrels that oppressive laws are first aimed, and oppression must be stopped at the beginning if it is to be stopped at all." - H. L. Mencken.
Now granted, we are not talking about human freedom and government oppression here... but the point is basically the same.
Apple has the right to do whatever they want with their product. Period. It’s not anti competitive to not allow these apps on their own platform, they are not in any way keeping that platform from existing. They just aren’t allowing it on Apple devices. If anyone is predatory it’s Facebook over all others these days.
No real independent business is required to allow other businesses to dictate how they operate especially if it could harm their own product. This is not a monopoly in any way either. Always amazes me people think it’s a monopoly. If you build something that doesn’t exist on your products and don’t let others in that’s just smart. They didn’t go out and buy Xbox and Facebook.
If Facebook released their individual games as games in the App Store I bet Apple would happily let them exist in their App Store. Facebook just wants to circumvent everything in general.
This is a topic certainly worth following over the next weeks & months leading-up to the Election here in the States.
Some Politicians may want to score some points with this topic.
Some Politicians may want to score some points with this topic.
Explain to me how anything Apple has ever done is keeping Facebook from building their own phones and tablets, creating an App Store for them and selling their products and services on their devices? And if anyone has the money It would be Facebook right?
I'd really just like to see Apple Messages extensions (or something like them) supported in third-party apps. I'd love to play casual games with friends in Zoom, Facebook Messenger, etc. I'd rather see these games on the store instead of built-in to a social app just like Apple Messages. If Apple Messages is allowed to do this, I think it would be nice to extend this to other social apps. Hopefully done in a way that they can link with equivalent games in another ecosystem. Maybe allow network communication through the social app and leave it up to the social app to find compatible clients.
This would also give FaceBook a way to do what they want that still complies with App Store rules.
FaceBook said they didn't get a response from the new App Store rules committee. I think that committee has not been formed yet, so I guess it would make sense there would be no response...
This would also give FaceBook a way to do what they want that still complies with App Store rules.
FaceBook said they didn't get a response from the new App Store rules committee. I think that committee has not been formed yet, so I guess it would make sense there would be no response...
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That vertical integration creating barriers to entry is the exact reason anti-trust law became a thing in the first place. Are you saying if someone wants to create an app that Apple doesn’t like they should have to start a hardware business, a series of new software businesses (to develop operating systems and app stores) all to deliver the app? Nah... I’ll take a bit of government intervention (either by the US or EU) here and there instead. Doing so leads to more production/progress and creativity, not less, which is the whole goal of anti-trust legislation.
That is completely irrelevant in this case. There is a massive difference between human freedom and forcing a company to allow another companies products to use your platform.
It's not irrelevant: the poster I replied too disagrees with Apple's restrictions but is willing to give them a pass if aimed against something/someone he dislikes.
I explicitly mention myself that human freedom and government oppression are not what we are talking about here, but the rationale that if something is bad but it's done against something/someone disliked it becomes acceptable is the one and the same in both instances and in both cases is very dangerous.
No. They should conform to the guidelines the platform has set in place to sell things on their store.
Just as game makers do for PlayStation, Xbox, and Nintendo.
Apple didn’t say you can’t sell your products, they said you have to follow our guidelines to do so on our platform.
If they don’t like the platform and rules they can build their own. And be clear that don’t like it because it puts less money in their pockets from collecting people’s data. It’s not even the money to buy the apps...
In this case both companies are big enough to build their own platforms and have, but have actually failed at it. So maybe their way of doing things isn’t all that good in the first place...
Anti trust law is to keep someone from being able to keep another company from existing. In no way does apples guidelines keep Facebook from building and offering games to people.
Anti trust also has no provisions for saying you don’t have to follow some sort of guidelines. If it did then Sony would have to build a PlayStation that also played Xbox games if the game builders said they wanted them too. But that’s then an issue with patents on hardware...
Anti trust isn’t about specific apps, it’s about not being discriminatory. Apples guidelines aren’t discriminatory against different groups differently.
The difference is that Roblox owns all their games or have an exclusive license for them.
See App Store Review Guidelines 3.1.2(a).
A company should be able to decide if they feel a product isn’t in their best interest to represent then they should not have to. That’s not the issue of this thread but the issue of the post imho. Same as a person has the right to not represent a company if they don’t agree with its philosophy.
Those things do not keep that company from existing.
Let me sum up a few of the last days news...
* Downie App and few others falsely flagged as malware by Apple, caused crashes and unable to start. Bad for Apps reputation, too.
* Apple does not allow MS to launch Xbox Game Streaming App on iOS and ipadOS
*Facebook not allowed to launch App with Games
*Emails Reveal Why Steve Jobs and Phil Schiller Blocked In-App Purchase of Kindle Books
What else, I surely missed a few nice negative Apple headlines... and this was just the last days...
And now say Apple does not abuse their monopoly...
Whens the ARM Mac launch, you will soon hear the handcuffs clicking...
* Downie App and few others falsely flagged as malware by Apple, caused crashes and unable to start. Bad for Apps reputation, too.
* Apple does not allow MS to launch Xbox Game Streaming App on iOS and ipadOS
*Facebook not allowed to launch App with Games
*Emails Reveal Why Steve Jobs and Phil Schiller Blocked In-App Purchase of Kindle Books
What else, I surely missed a few nice negative Apple headlines... and this was just the last days...
And now say Apple does not abuse their monopoly...
Whens the ARM Mac launch, you will soon hear the handcuffs clicking...
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What you are saying is that the poster should not disagree with Apple's restrictions: it's a fair point, but actually not relevant to mine.
My point is that if the poster decides to disagree with Apple's restrictions (right or wrong as he might be in doing that), he should be coherent with that disagreement and not selectively give a pass to those restrictions only because in this particular instance they happen to damage a company he dislikes.
It would violate the introduction of the App Store Review Guidelines:
"If you attempt to cheat the system [...] your apps will be removed from the store [...]"
Samsung, huawei, asus, amazon... does google still make tablets?
Granted, apple takes 60% of the market, and currently are selling iPads faster than they can make them (check the thread “waiting for ipad pro to ship” in the iPad forum if you don’t believe me).
Still, the unwillingness of apple to allow xbox and facebook gaming on iOS it’s a valid point other vendors should make, no matter if there are 100 or 2 different vendors.
I do feel bad for the streamers on the platform. A lot of them go on record saying it's easier and faster to foster a community, which means more money. Now, before the pitchforks start, I'm not sticking up for Facebook saying it's the best ever or some $#! t. It's just not really an different than anywhere else. Microsoft owns mixer and just recently burned everyone. YouTube is owned by Google and Twitch is owned by Amazon, who both generally do the same crap with your info. Google's is far creepier if you dive down that rabbit hole.
Facebook today joined Microsoft in condemning Apple's App Store policies, after the company was forced to remove the games feature from its Facebook Gaming app, which launches today on iOS.
Facebook Gaming app on Google Play Store
In a statement given to The Verge, Facebook said it has had its Gaming app rejected multiple times by Apple in recent months, but Apple cited its App Store guidelines to justify the rejections, claiming the primary purpose of the Facebook Gaming app is to play games.
Facebook says it shared usage data with Apple from its Android Facebook Gaming app that showed 95 percent of activity involves watching streams, but it was unable to change Apple's stance on the matter.
Facebook's chief operating officer Sheryl Sandberg said it chose to go ahead with the launch of its app in the App Store, but users faced an "inferior" experience compared to Android users.
A Facebook spokesperson added that it even appealed the guideline under the new app review process that Apple announced at WWDC, but it did not receive a response.
Apple has come in for heavy criticism from rivals and the gaming industry to loosen its App Store restrictions. Just yesterday, Microsoft said its "Project xCloud" streaming game service that pairs with its Xbox Game Pass won't be available on iPhone and iPad when it launches this September.
The company complained that it no longer had a path to bring its vision of cloud gaming with Xbox Game Pass Ultimate to gamers on iOS because Apple "consistently treats gaming apps differently, applying more lenient rules to non-gaming apps even when they include interactive content."
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Possibly. I could see Nintendo/Sony/Microsoft allowing their streaming services on each other's consoles just to prevent Google/Apple/Facebook from gaining marketshare or disrupting the gaming industry's delicate ecosystem.
Such a childish way to look at this matter. I deleted my Facebook profile and hate them as well but Apple is engaged in anticompetitive behavior. If you don’t like Facebook then don’t install it but millions still use it and have a right.